An Interesting Juxtaposition

[g5000]

Making President Trump’s Bed: A Housekeeper Without Papers

Trump's Mar-a-Lago seeks to hire 61 foreign workers
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Look, man. How many times do I have to tell you?

"It's Okay When Trump Does It!"™

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[PoliticalChic]

Let's compare the cost of building a wall to gain control of the costs of illegal immigration, to the cost to Americans for buying the votes of illegal aliens.....


1. "Lindsey Graham tells Trump to 'dig in,' demand $5B border wall from Democrats

Trump, Schumer, and Pelosi will meet Tuesday to see if they can work out a deal to fund the Department of Homeland Security and other departments for the rest of the fiscal year. But Democrats say they can only give Trump $1.6 billion, and the impasse is threatening a partial government shutdown if they can't reach a deal in two weeks."
Lindsey Graham tells Trump to 'dig in,' demand $5B border wall from Democrats



2. "Illegal Immigration Costs $116 billion Annually
“(Washington, D.C.) - Illegal immigration to the U.S. costs federal, state and local taxpayers a staggering net cost of $116 billion a year - an increase of some $16 billion compared to previous estimates - according to a new study released by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR). The study is the most comprehensive to date on the cost to federal, state and local taxpayers of the nation's 12.5 million illegal immigrants and their 4.2 million citizen children.

The report, “The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers,” examines the cost of illegal immigration through a detailed analysis of federal, state and local programs that are available to the nation’s illegal immigrant population, their U.S.-born children, or accessed via fraud.

The staggering total costs of illegal immigrants and their children outweigh the taxes paid to federal and state governments by a ratio of roughly 7 to 1, with costs at nearly $135 billion compared to tax revenues at nearly $19 billion.”
http://www.irli.org/single-post/201...BNHYuYpqNoIjJKVFD4cOAuwXVYeLxfAcaAv39EALw_wcB

So will building a wall reduce that overly inflated number?

Not even a little.

It'll just add to it

Of course you're lying.



HuffPo"
"Since 2003, Israel has been building a wall around the West Bank in the name of security from terrorism. While Israel calls this the "Security Fence," most Palestinians think of as a degrading and illegal land grab. Israelis would say that it's been effective -- noting that in the three years before it was built, suicide bombers killed 293 of their citizens; in the three years after it went up, that number dropped to 64. Since its construction, terrorist attacks have dwindled."
The Security Fence, the Anti-Terrorism Barrier, the Wall

 

[Lesh]

Twenty million sounds about right.

They cost we tax payers billions every year. Build the damned wall. Then none can get in. Once its built boot the twenty million out and they won't be able to get back in. Save we tax payers billions.

None can get in?

When only 40% of illegals cme in via the border you want to try to block...you fail from the beginning.

And the number here is 11 million not 20. Accuracy matters (although not to you).

And even at that...it is simply not possible to deport 11 million people (nor would business let you). Hitler had a "tough time" with 6-7 million and that got pretty "ugly".

So how much do you think the camps and ovens will cost anyway? Gonna pay for that with extracted teeth?

 

[2aguy]

There is no definitive study on the cost of illegal immigration. Just like there is no check for the wall coming from Mexico.

I just gave you the data.

Amazing how they've trained you to deny reality......

Does that only work on the IQ-challenged, y'know, like you?



BTW....how many illegal aliens are currently residing in the USofA???

And why the demand by the Liberals/Democrats to continue to support the invasion?

Why?

I like to call it "Reality Dyslexia." and every left winger suffers from it....

 

[BlackFlag]

There is no definitive study on the cost of illegal immigration. Just like there is no check for the wall coming from Mexico.

I just gave you the data.

Amazing how they've trained you to deny reality......

Does that only work on the IQ-challenged, y'know, like you?



BTW....how many illegal aliens are currently residing in the USofA???

And why the demand by the Liberals/Democrats to continue to support the invasion?

Why?

I like to call it "Reality Dyslexia." and every left winger suffers from it....

From Webster's:

Reality Dyslexia - thinking that Mexico is going to pay for a border wall

 

[PoliticalChic]

There is no definitive study on the cost of illegal immigration. Just like there is no check for the wall coming from Mexico.

I just gave you the data.

Amazing how they've trained you to deny reality......

Does that only work on the IQ-challenged, y'know, like you?



BTW....how many illegal aliens are currently residing in the USofA???

And why the demand by the Liberals/Democrats to continue to support the invasion?

Why?

Too many, probably upward of 20 million. They need to go. Whole schools will have to close that serve their kids free lunches every day.

It is what it is, they need to go.

Actually, between 40 and 60 million or more.

That's why you have to press #1 for English.

That seems high, do you have some stats? I realize there are illegal Canuckians, too.

I always do, don't I.
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Check out post #18

 

[Marion Morrison]

$200 billion will be the probable cost of mass deportation and that will kick in after the states that go into default have to void their sanctuary status laws.

3x that much can be saved by getting rid of illegals.

Within 3 years. I've done the math before..

 

[Lesh]

Let's compare the cost of building a wall to gain control of the costs of illegal immigration, to the cost to Americans for buying the votes of illegal aliens.....


1. "Lindsey Graham tells Trump to 'dig in,' demand $5B border wall from Democrats

Trump, Schumer, and Pelosi will meet Tuesday to see if they can work out a deal to fund the Department of Homeland Security and other departments for the rest of the fiscal year. But Democrats say they can only give Trump $1.6 billion, and the impasse is threatening a partial government shutdown if they can't reach a deal in two weeks."
Lindsey Graham tells Trump to 'dig in,' demand $5B border wall from Democrats



2. "Illegal Immigration Costs $116 billion Annually
“(Washington, D.C.) - Illegal immigration to the U.S. costs federal, state and local taxpayers a staggering net cost of $116 billion a year - an increase of some $16 billion compared to previous estimates - according to a new study released by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR). The study is the most comprehensive to date on the cost to federal, state and local taxpayers of the nation's 12.5 million illegal immigrants and their 4.2 million citizen children.

The report, “The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers,” examines the cost of illegal immigration through a detailed analysis of federal, state and local programs that are available to the nation’s illegal immigrant population, their U.S.-born children, or accessed via fraud.

The staggering total costs of illegal immigrants and their children outweigh the taxes paid to federal and state governments by a ratio of roughly 7 to 1, with costs at nearly $135 billion compared to tax revenues at nearly $19 billion.”
http://www.irli.org/single-post/201...BNHYuYpqNoIjJKVFD4cOAuwXVYeLxfAcaAv39EALw_wcB

Controlling illegal immigration starts at the top.

Making President Trump’s Bed: A Housekeeper Without Papers

• Dec. 6, 2018

BEDMINSTER, N.J. — During more than five years as a housekeeper at the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J., Victorina Morales has made Donald J. Trump’s bed, cleaned his toilet and dusted his crystal golf trophies. When he visited as president, she was directed to wear a pin in the shape of the American flag adorned with a Secret Service logo.

Because of the “outstanding” support she has provided during Mr. Trump’s visits, Ms. Morales in July was given a certificate from the White House Communications Agency inscribed with her name.

Quite an achievement for an undocumented immigrant housekeeper."""""

She said she was not the only worker at the club who was in the country illegally.

Sandra Diaz, 46, a native of Costa Rica who is now a legal resident of the United States, said she, too, was undocumented when she worked at Bedminster between 2010 and 2013. The two women said they worked for years as part of a group of housekeeping, maintenance and landscaping employees at the golf club that included a number of undocumented workers, though they could not say precisely how many. There is no evidence that Mr. Trump or Trump Organization executives knew of their immigration status. But at least two supervisors at the club were aware of it, the women said, and took steps to help workers evade detection and keep their jobs."""

Victorina Morales at her home in Bound Brook, N.J. She left Guatemala in 1999 and illegally entered the United States. She started working at the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J., in 2013.


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Trump's Mar-a-Lago seeks to hire 61 foreign workers
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"""""Despite his rhetoric that immigration hurts American workers, President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club is seeking to hire 61 foreign workers for the 2018 winter season, according to the Labor Department."""""

Trump’s “Winter White House” has applied to hire 21 cooks from other countries to work at the resort from October to May. The Palm Beach, Fla., club also wants to hire 40 foreigners for wait-staff positions."""
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Why would they be explicitly seek foreign workers?

 

[PoliticalChic]

$200 billion will be the probable cost of mass deportation and that will kick in after the states that go into default have to void their sanctuary status laws.

3x that much can be saved by getting rid of illegals.

Within 3 years. I've done the math before..

And....even more important....might cost the Democrats some elections!

Illegals vote....by the millions as Obama told them to do in the last election, and they vote Democrat.

Illegal immigration serves one interest only, the self-serving interests of Democrat politicians. In effect, it is Democrats asking for and receiving the bribe of votes.
Democrats what illegal aliens and ever other itinerant immigrants for the votes they will provide.
That's the reason....no other.


It does not serve the interests of America: legal immigration does.
Legals are not beholding to the Democrats.

 

[Slyhunter]

There is no definitive study on the cost of illegal immigration. Just like there is no check for the wall coming from Mexico.

I just gave you the data.

Amazing how they've trained you to deny reality......

Does that only work on the IQ-challenged, y'know, like you?



BTW....how many illegal aliens are currently residing in the USofA???

And why the demand by the Liberals/Democrats to continue to support the invasion?

Why?

You gave me a set of data that a propaganda source chose for you. You just admitted to net even knowing how many illegals are here, proving your data is meaningless. A wall will do nothing. But I'll consent to one as soon as Mexico sends the check, as Trump promised they would.

Only a complete moron would believe Mexico would pony up a check. Their are other ways to make them pay.

 

[BlackFlag]

There is no definitive study on the cost of illegal immigration. Just like there is no check for the wall coming from Mexico.

I just gave you the data.

Amazing how they've trained you to deny reality......

Does that only work on the IQ-challenged, y'know, like you?



BTW....how many illegal aliens are currently residing in the USofA???

And why the demand by the Liberals/Democrats to continue to support the invasion?

Why?

You gave me a set of data that a propaganda source chose for you. You just admitted to net even knowing how many illegals are here, proving your data is meaningless. A wall will do nothing. But I'll consent to one as soon as Mexico sends the check, as Trump promised they would.

Only a complete moron would believe Mexico would pony up a check. Their are other ways to make them pay.

 

[Dragonlady]

There is no definitive study on the cost of illegal immigration. Just like there is no check for the wall coming from Mexico.

I just gave you the data.

Amazing how they've trained you to deny reality......

Does that only work on the IQ-challenged, y'know, like you?



BTW....how many illegal aliens are currently residing in the USofA???

And why the demand by the Liberals/Democrats to continue to support the invasion?

Why?

Too many, probably upward of 20 million. They need to go. Whole schools will have to close that serve their kids free lunches every day.

It is what it is, they need to go.

They start jailing the people who hire them. Anyone who hires an illegal is stealing from your treasury. Start with your President, who has been charged with knowingly hiring illegals.

 

[Marion Morrison]

There is no definitive study on the cost of illegal immigration. Just like there is no check for the wall coming from Mexico.

I just gave you the data.

Amazing how they've trained you to deny reality......

Does that only work on the IQ-challenged, y'know, like you?



BTW....how many illegal aliens are currently residing in the USofA???

And why the demand by the Liberals/Democrats to continue to support the invasion?

Why?

Too many, probably upward of 20 million. They need to go. Whole schools will have to close that serve their kids free lunches every day.

It is what it is, they need to go.

They start jailing the people who hire them. Anyone who hires an illegal is stealing from your treasury. Start with your President, who has been charged with knowingly hiring illegals.

Whoever. Sounds good to me. Wait, I'm more for progressive fines.

The first time it starts out at $500 per. Then increases in increments of $500

 

[Slyhunter]

There is no definitive study on the cost of illegal immigration. Just like there is no check for the wall coming from Mexico.

I just gave you the data.

Amazing how they've trained you to deny reality......

Does that only work on the IQ-challenged, y'know, like you?



BTW....how many illegal aliens are currently residing in the USofA???

And why the demand by the Liberals/Democrats to continue to support the invasion?

Why?

You give data that is biased, skewed, and has no basis in reality.

There is no reality where building the wall is a good investiment, will same money or where it's a great idea.

The vast majority of illegal immigrants fly into the US on airplanes with visas in hand, and then they overstay those visas. What you need is an system which tracks visa residents, and tracks them down when their visas are up.but that's so much harder to sell than "Build the Wall" as a campaign slogan.

That you are promoting wasting $20 billion building a useless wall proves that you do not have the best interests of the American people at heart. You value useless money wasting boondoggles, while real policy issues, like better inner city schools, go begging. There's no money for computers in the school, but arms guards, who have done NOTHING to save students from school shooters, are a necessity.

We don't want to keep out the aliens with money. The wall will keep out the ones who can't even afford a Bus ticket, ie the ones without money who'll collect Welfare or compete with me and my family for bottom level jobs.

 

[Slyhunter]

There is no definitive study on the cost of illegal immigration. Just like there is no check for the wall coming from Mexico.

I just gave you the data.

Amazing how they've trained you to deny reality......

Does that only work on the IQ-challenged, y'know, like you?



BTW....how many illegal aliens are currently residing in the USofA???

And why the demand by the Liberals/Democrats to continue to support the invasion?

Why?

Too many, probably upward of 20 million. They need to go. Whole schools will have to close that serve their kids free lunches every day.

It is what it is, they need to go.

They start jailing the people who hire them. Anyone who hires an illegal is stealing from your treasury. Start with your President, who has been charged with knowingly hiring illegals.

Stupid to jail folks with money, fine them instead, suck them dry.

 

[william the wie]

$200 billion will be the probable cost of mass deportation and that will kick in after the states that go into default have to void their sanctuary status laws.

3x that much can be saved by getting rid of illegals.

Within 3 years. I've done the math before..

You are assuming that the approximations made by FAIR are not lowball, which they are and that the data sources state and local bureaucrats are not lowballing. for that matter do you really believe deportations at $1,000/Case that I proposed applies to any but those with criminal records, a figure I used to avoid a massive food fight on this thread is realistic?

 

[Lesh]

Stupid to jail folks with money, fine them instead, suck them dry.

So how much of a fine would it take to make Trump stop hiring illegals?

 

[WaitingFor2020]

Let's compare the cost of building a wall to gain control of the costs of illegal immigration, to the cost to Americans for buying the votes of illegal aliens.....


1. "Lindsey Graham tells Trump to 'dig in,' demand $5B border wall from Democrats

Trump, Schumer, and Pelosi will meet Tuesday to see if they can work out a deal to fund the Department of Homeland Security and other departments for the rest of the fiscal year. But Democrats say they can only give Trump $1.6 billion, and the impasse is threatening a partial government shutdown if they can't reach a deal in two weeks."
Lindsey Graham tells Trump to 'dig in,' demand $5B border wall from Democrats



2. "Illegal Immigration Costs $116 billion Annually
“(Washington, D.C.) - Illegal immigration to the U.S. costs federal, state and local taxpayers a staggering net cost of $116 billion a year - an increase of some $16 billion compared to previous estimates - according to a new study released by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR). The study is the most comprehensive to date on the cost to federal, state and local taxpayers of the nation's 12.5 million illegal immigrants and their 4.2 million citizen children.

The report, “The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers,” examines the cost of illegal immigration through a detailed analysis of federal, state and local programs that are available to the nation’s illegal immigrant population, their U.S.-born children, or accessed via fraud.

The staggering total costs of illegal immigrants and their children outweigh the taxes paid to federal and state governments by a ratio of roughly 7 to 1, with costs at nearly $135 billion compared to tax revenues at nearly $19 billion.”
http://www.irli.org/single-post/201...BNHYuYpqNoIjJKVFD4cOAuwXVYeLxfAcaAv39EALw_wcB

Controlling illegal immigration starts at the top.

Making President Trump’s Bed: A Housekeeper Without Papers

• Dec. 6, 2018

BEDMINSTER, N.J. — During more than five years as a housekeeper at the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J., Victorina Morales has made Donald J. Trump’s bed, cleaned his toilet and dusted his crystal golf trophies. When he visited as president, she was directed to wear a pin in the shape of the American flag adorned with a Secret Service logo.

Because of the “outstanding” support she has provided during Mr. Trump’s visits, Ms. Morales in July was given a certificate from the White House Communications Agency inscribed with her name.

Quite an achievement for an undocumented immigrant housekeeper."""""

She said she was not the only worker at the club who was in the country illegally.

Sandra Diaz, 46, a native of Costa Rica who is now a legal resident of the United States, said she, too, was undocumented when she worked at Bedminster between 2010 and 2013. The two women said they worked for years as part of a group of housekeeping, maintenance and landscaping employees at the golf club that included a number of undocumented workers, though they could not say precisely how many. There is no evidence that Mr. Trump or Trump Organization executives knew of their immigration status. But at least two supervisors at the club were aware of it, the women said, and took steps to help workers evade detection and keep their jobs."""

Victorina Morales at her home in Bound Brook, N.J. She left Guatemala in 1999 and illegally entered the United States. She started working at the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, N.J., in 2013.


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Trump's Mar-a-Lago seeks to hire 61 foreign workers
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"""""Despite his rhetoric that immigration hurts American workers, President Trump’s Mar-a-Lago Club is seeking to hire 61 foreign workers for the 2018 winter season, according to the Labor Department."""""

Trump’s “Winter White House” has applied to hire 21 cooks from other countries to work at the resort from October to May. The Palm Beach, Fla., club also wants to hire 40 foreigners for wait-staff positions."""
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Why would they be explicitly seek foreign workers?

Because they will work for $4 an hour. Paid under the table. No FICA, benefits, insurance, workmen's comp, healthcare, vacation, bonuses.
The rich LOVE illegal aliens. And illegal aliens know it.
Trump is the biggest fucking abuser of using undocumented workers and the story about Bedminster is the tip of the iceberg, Victorina Morales is a whistleblower.
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[Slyhunter]

Stupid to jail folks with money, fine them instead, suck them dry.

So how much of a fine would it take to make Trump stop hiring illegals?

$20 per man hour.

 

[g5000]

Juxtaposition. A huckster stirring up the rubes against outsourcing. The same huckster outsourcing his manufacturing to China and Mexico.

Juxtaposition. A huckster stirring up the rubes against illegal immigrants. The same huckster using illegal immigrant labor.