Allowing Gays in the Military Would Be Unfair and Hurt Troop Morale

[bodecea]

You're right...I'm not in the military....any more.

I'm RETIRED Military and during my TWENTY ONE YEAR career I was a Personnel Officer, Admin Officer, Maintenance Officer, LEGAL Officer, Tactical Operations Officer, Command and Control Officer, Executive Officer, Officer in Charge.....all while being a Naval Aviator.


Of course.....I know nothing about the military.....

If....and "if"...you were a drill instructor, you would have called me "Ma'am".

Paper pushing desk rangers, you call 21 years of doing that an honorable career?

Now now, someone has to control the desk jobs. But to brag about it is something different.

And I bet your Army MOS for your entire career was changing oil in the motor pool. We all know Army types can't multi-task. And if you are any indicator, they may be cowards too.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Squid stick a sock in it, we don't all share your one sided homosexual agenda. Gays openly serving is not going to make the Army I serve in more flexible and stronger.

LOL Gayboybiker still talks to me, even knowing he is on my ignore list for stupidity. Gotta love the gift that keeps giving. Does he still brag about pushing his desk?

Every gay soldier and sailor I've ever known is head and shoulders above Ollie in the courage department. He can't even stick with internet debates without running away with his hands over his ears.

Know what the really funny thing is? As my job left lots of time to do other things, I was allowed to be part of the PRP team with VFA-131 (loading weapons on FA-18's), I was allowed to be part of the Security Force teams, and I've also been to 26 different countries as well as have many other collateral qualifications.

I didn't join the Army specifically for 2 reasons.........what their job was is what they did for the rest of their career, and there was very little variety in the narrowness of the fields offered. And, camping while fun as a hobby would suck as a lifestyle.

Want to know why I joined the Navy? 2 reasons........travel and the fact that there are only 24 jobs in the Navy, but a whole butt ton of collateral qualifications and duties you could do, and that meant I'd be better equipped with more qualifications than with just one.

I became a Personnelman because it was one of the 13 jobs allowed in SEALS, and, because it was also the one job in the Navy that could be stationed ANYWHERE. Eyesight kept me out of SEALS, but the ability to go anywhere worked well when I went on an MSC vessel for my final sea tour.

Ollie was just a UPS man for the Army. He was a courier.

And, the really fucked up thing about it is that he retired in 1994, which means that his view is the old 48 hour discharge rule.

He's even stated that he was happy to get out when DADT was implemented.

What could he POSSIBLY contribute to the discussion other than old antiquated ideals?

 

[bodecea]

LOL Gayboybiker still talks to me, even knowing he is on my ignore list for stupidity. Gotta love the gift that keeps giving. Does he still brag about pushing his desk?

Every gay soldier and sailor I've ever known is head and shoulders above Ollie in the courage department. He can't even stick with internet debates without running away with his hands over his ears.

Know what the really funny thing is? As my job left lots of time to do other things, I was allowed to be part of the PRP team with VFA-131 (loading weapons on FA-18's), I was allowed to be part of the Security Force teams, and I've also been to 26 different countries as well as have many other collateral qualifications.

Ollie was just a UPS man for the Army. He was a courier.

And, the really fucked up thing about it is that he retired in 1994, which means that his view is the old 48 hour discharge rule.

He's even stated that he was happy to get out when DADT was implemented.

What could he POSSIBLY contribute to the discussion other than old antiquated ideals?

He was a Courier?

 

[ABikerSailor]

Yeah........and an Army courier is about 25 percent of a PC.

 

[CurveLight]

Paper pushing desk rangers, you call 21 years of doing that an honorable career?

Now now, someone has to control the desk jobs. But to brag about it is something different.

And I bet your Army MOS for your entire career was changing oil in the motor pool. We all know Army types can't multi-task. And if you are any indicator, they may be cowards too.

I was a Cobra Crew Chief in the Army. Your broadbrushing here is bullshit.

 

[CurveLight]

Yeah........and an Army courier is about 25 percent of a PC.

He still served for over 20 years. No matter how much you disagree with his views no amount of disagreement can negate his Service.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Hey........not my fault the fucker was too stupid to get a real job in the military.

Unlike most, I wanted usable skills after I got out.

 

[bodecea]

Now now, someone has to control the desk jobs. But to brag about it is something different.

And I bet your Army MOS for your entire career was changing oil in the motor pool. We all know Army types can't multi-task. And if you are any indicator, they may be cowards too.

I was a Cobra Crew Chief in the Army. Your broadbrushing here is bullshit.

What else did you do?

 

[CurveLight]

And I bet your Army MOS for your entire career was changing oil in the motor pool. We all know Army types can't multi-task. And if you are any indicator, they may be cowards too.

I was a Cobra Crew Chief in the Army. Your broadbrushing here is bullshit.

What else did you do?

I was the Guidon Bearer, NBC NCO, and had a successful part time job in relocating special products from Mexico into the US.

 

[CurveLight]

Hey........not my fault the fucker was too stupid to get a real job in the military.

Unlike most, I wanted usable skills after I got out.

I think he's one of the biggest Nationalistic retards on this board b
ut none of what you or I think can compromise the fact he had a successful military career. All jobs in the service make valuable contributions to helping everyone in the military. Your MOS highhorse is just dumb.

 

[bodecea]

I was a Cobra Crew Chief in the Army. Your broadbrushing here is bullshit.

What else did you do?

I was the Guidon Bearer, NBC NCO, and had a successful part time job in relocating special products from Mexico into the US.

Besides that. What was your collaterial job (or actually, flying was your collateral job) What was it you did on days or hours you were not flying?

 

[rdean]

I knew a guy from work who had been in the Navy. I asked him if it got lonely out there on the ocean for six months at a time. He said yes. I asked him if the guys ever gave each other a "helping hand"? He said, "You mean, like a "special" friend"? I said, "Yea, a special friend. What was the name of your special friend?" Then he laughed and realized I have been pulling his leg.

Then he said that even though he never had a "special friend", a lot of the guys did.

I guess as long as they don't "kiss", it's not "gay".

 

[ABikerSailor]

What else did you do?

I was the Guidon Bearer, NBC NCO, and had a successful part time job in relocating special products from Mexico into the US.

Besides that. What was your collaterial job (or actually, flying was your collateral job) What was it you did on days or hours you were not flying?

Guidon Bearer........so you carried the flag of your company when you marched. I did that in boot camp.

NBC NCO........Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Warfare specialist. Did that on my first ship as a boot and was so good at it, they made it permanent on my collateral duties list.

Then......when I made some rank, I was working on the PRP team, which is responsible for the weapons that cause NBC NCO's to be required.

Not impressed.

 

[bodecea]

I was the Guidon Bearer, NBC NCO, and had a successful part time job in relocating special products from Mexico into the US.

Besides that. What was your collaterial job (or actually, flying was your collateral job) What was it you did on days or hours you were not flying?

Guidon Bearer........so you carried the flag of your company when you marched. I did that in boot camp.

NBC NCO........Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Warfare specialist. Did that on my first ship as a boot and was so good at it, they made it permanent on my collateral duties list.

Then......when I made some rank, I was working on the PRP team, which is responsible for the weapons that cause NBC NCO's to be required.

Not impressed.

And those are all just collateral jobs...I usually, as well as my flying billet, had at least one ground job. For a while, I was Admin, Personnel, Legal, PAO, CACO, and Ombudsman....all at the same time.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Paper pushing desk rangers, you call 21 years of doing that an honorable career?

Now now, someone has to control the desk jobs. But to brag about it is something different.

And I bet your Army MOS for your entire career was changing oil in the motor pool. We all know Army types can't multi-task. And if you are any indicator, they may be cowards too.

Hey.........Failed Load..........might wanna look up what a "Line Officer" is in the Navy. They are the ones that fill any and all billets, no matter what and are qualified to do almost anything as they are required to fill a space, not a job, on the ship.

That space filler thing means they will learn the requirements for the job and be able to do it in 6 months, or be sent to a shitbird job.

You may wanna read her quals again. She wasn't "just flying a desk", or do you not know what a Tactical Operations Officer is to a ship?

They're the ones that do the firing solutions for the things that wanna hurt the ship. They also push buttons that make things go boom a long ways away.

So, you've proved that you can type, now look up Naval Line Officer.

 

[bodecea]

Now now, someone has to control the desk jobs. But to brag about it is something different.

And I bet your Army MOS for your entire career was changing oil in the motor pool. We all know Army types can't multi-task. And if you are any indicator, they may be cowards too.

Hey.........Failed Load..........might wanna look up what a "Line Officer" is in the Navy. They are the ones that fill any and all billets, no matter what and are qualified to do almost anything as they are required to fill a space, not a job, on the ship.

That space filler thing means they will learn the requirements for the job and be able to do it in 6 months, or be sent to a shitbird job.

You may wanna read her quals again. She wasn't "just flying a desk", or do you not know what a Tactical Operations Officer is to a ship?

They're the ones that do the firing solutions for the things that wanna hurt the ship. They also push buttons that make things go boom a long ways away.

So, you've proved that you can type, now look up Naval Line Officer.

To be fair, I wasn't on a ship...I was an ASW Tactical Officer...briefing and debriefing ASW crews...the Base CO, the Admiral if need be.

 

[ski87]

Openly gays serving in the military would be far too disruptive to the operational tempo of an organization. Should never be allowed. In a civilian environment, fine, should be debated.

 

[maineman]

Openly gays serving in the military would be far too disruptive to the operational tempo of an organization. Should never be allowed. In a civilian environment, fine, should be debated.

we live in a representative democracy...we vote for members of congress and for president and we give THEM the authority to make decisions on our behalf. The debate you spoke of was held in November of 2008. sorry.

 

[ski87]

Openly gays serving in the military would be far too disruptive to the operational tempo of an organization. Should never be allowed. In a civilian environment, fine, should be debated.

we live in a representative democracy...we vote for members of congress and for president and we give THEM the authority to make decisions on our behalf. The debate you spoke of was held in November of 2008. sorry.

Wow, thanks for the HS History lesson, I was speaking from an operations standpoint. My guys dont want fags around!!

 

[SFC Ollie]

Openly gays serving in the military would be far too disruptive to the operational tempo of an organization. Should never be allowed. In a civilian environment, fine, should be debated.

we live in a representative democracy...we vote for members of congress and for president and we give THEM the authority to make decisions on our behalf. The debate you spoke of was held in November of 2008. sorry.

Wow, thanks for the HS History lesson, I was speaking from an operations standpoint. My guys dont want fags around!!

Most active duty people are against repealing DADT, and i support them. But unless something happens soon (like in November 2010), you may find that the regulations get changed anyway, And that I believe will be a big mistake.