Alliances mean nothing to Trump

[Correll]

Economically, the status quo is literally killing our people.

Actually, we are doing quite well

Better than Europe and Japan

Not according to our declining life span. That is not happening in Europe or Japan.

That has no relationship to trade practices.

Studies have found that the causes are economic stress and risky behaviors that are often driven by economic stress.


That is ,at least, greatly a result of Trade Policy.

Greatly? I don’t think so. There are a lot of factors causing economic stress and most are a result of substantial changes in automation and the types of jobs now needed.

What the dip in US life expectancy is really about: inequality

Europe and Japan are living in the same world with the same changes in automation, and they don't have a declining life span.

 

[Desperado]

Im all for "Mirror" Tariffs. If they tax us 30% they we tax them 30%.
Not a hard concept to understand. Fair for all

 

[Correll]

Not according to our declining life span. That is not happening in Europe or Japan.

Blame Republicans for blocking healthcare

We could have better healthcare than Europe and Japan if Republicans will let us

That's not the cause of the declining life span. And you know it.

What does opioids have to do with Europe?

Such risk taking behavior is greatly increased by economic stress.


But you knew that.


So, wtf was that about?

Then why do we still have an opioid crisis?

Because the current status quo leaves large segments of our population behind, even as macro economic numbers improve.


That has been discussed with you before. DId you forget, or were you just pretending to not know that?

 

[Correll]

Because he ran on getting better trade deal, ie reducing the Trade Deficit.



So, I answered your question.


Why don't they give him what he wants? Or is the alliance not important to them?

Because it isn’t in their country’s interest.

Oh, so the alliance is not that important, then. Got it.

So, why the fuss?

You seem to be under the delusion that alliances are one sided.

Nope.


And it's our turn. Or fuck it.


If the alliance is important, it's their turn to take one for the team.


And what's the big deal? You guys are always saying that the trade deficit doesn't matter. That it is all job losses caused by automation. And ect.


So, just give Trump what he wants to save the oh so important alliance.



I thought they were supposed to be more experience, competent and rational. So, do the experienced, competent and rational thing.


Save the Alliance. Stop stooping to Trump's level of name calling and press sniping. Be the bigger man.



Or is that all bullshit?

That is like saying give the screaming toddler his candy just to shut him up.

I am addressing your spin on this situation of course.


But if they are the "Grown ups" as so many lefties have claimed, and if the deficits "don't matter" and it the "alliance is so important",


then yes, the "grown ups" should give the soon to be gone "toddler" what he wants to save the alliance, and once he is gone, they can point out that nothing changed for the American worker, and it was a waste and we can go back to normal.


So, what's the problem with that scenario?


You know, but you can't admit it.


I dare you to say it.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Alliances are national friendships. I got your back, you got mine
You are stronger as a group than as an individual

Consider Trump has never had any friends in his life. It is all about him.....what is in it for me?

As a result, he is isolating our country. We are no longer respected, no longer trusted

Putin is celebrating

Wow....does it hurt much when you talk out of your ass like that? Trump has never had any friends? Really? Our country is isolated.....? You mean the way just made the move to end tariffs, and to get the allies to fork up their share of defending their countries.....? Getting dead beat, welfare leach countries to actually pull their weight is not being respected? I would think that being the sucker for decades as those "allies" take our money and show us no respect is the actual problem...but then again, you are a left winger, and therefore really stupid...so you don't know anything....

Crooked Donnie has played into Putin’s hands

Breaking up the western alliance

When is Putin going to come here and purge out the democrats?

 

[Coyote]

Because it isn’t in their country’s interest.

Oh, so the alliance is not that important, then. Got it.

So, why the fuss?

You seem to be under the delusion that alliances are one sided.

Nope.


And it's our turn. Or fuck it.


If the alliance is important, it's their turn to take one for the team.


And what's the big deal? You guys are always saying that the trade deficit doesn't matter. That it is all job losses caused by automation. And ect.


So, just give Trump what he wants to save the oh so important alliance.



I thought they were supposed to be more experience, competent and rational. So, do the experienced, competent and rational thing.


Save the Alliance. Stop stooping to Trump's level of name calling and press sniping. Be the bigger man.



Or is that all bullshit?

That is like saying give the screaming toddler his candy just to shut him up.

I am addressing your spin on this situation of course.


But if they are the "Grown ups" as so many lefties have claimed, and if the deficits "don't matter" and it the "alliance is so important",


then yes, the "grown ups" should give the soon to be gone "toddler" what he wants to save the alliance, and once he is gone, they can point out that nothing changed for the American worker, and it was a waste and we can go back to normal.


So, what's the problem with that scenario?


You know, but you can't admit it.


I dare you to say it.

The problem with it is neither trade nor alliances are simple binaries.

Our biggest trade issues are with China and it is less with dumping then with closed markets and intellectual property requirements. Since we aren’t alone in this, it would have made more sense to tackle the biggest trade issue first with an alliance of countries to put more pressure on China. Kinda killed that option though didn’t he?

You don’t just give foreign leaders what they want if it goes against your interests.

 

[Coyote]

Blame Republicans for blocking healthcare

We could have better healthcare than Europe and Japan if Republicans will let us

That's not the cause of the declining life span. And you know it.

What does opioids have to do with Europe?

Such risk taking behavior is greatly increased by economic stress.


But you knew that.


So, wtf was that about?

Then why do we still have an opioid crisis?

Because the current status quo leaves large segments of our population behind, even as macro economic numbers improve.


That has been discussed with you before. DId you forget, or were you just pretending to not know that?

So how do you fix that? The issue isn’t trade imbalances, it is much deeper. Ever read Hillbilly Elegy?

 

[Correll]

Oh, so the alliance is not that important, then. Got it.

So, why the fuss?

You seem to be under the delusion that alliances are one sided.

Nope.


And it's our turn. Or fuck it.


If the alliance is important, it's their turn to take one for the team.


And what's the big deal? You guys are always saying that the trade deficit doesn't matter. That it is all job losses caused by automation. And ect.


So, just give Trump what he wants to save the oh so important alliance.



I thought they were supposed to be more experience, competent and rational. So, do the experienced, competent and rational thing.


Save the Alliance. Stop stooping to Trump's level of name calling and press sniping. Be the bigger man.



Or is that all bullshit?

That is like saying give the screaming toddler his candy just to shut him up.

I am addressing your spin on this situation of course.


But if they are the "Grown ups" as so many lefties have claimed, and if the deficits "don't matter" and it the "alliance is so important",


then yes, the "grown ups" should give the soon to be gone "toddler" what he wants to save the alliance, and once he is gone, they can point out that nothing changed for the American worker, and it was a waste and we can go back to normal.


So, what's the problem with that scenario?


You know, but you can't admit it.


I dare you to say it.

The problem with it is neither trade nor alliances are simple binaries.

Our biggest trade issues are with China and it is less with dumping then with closed markets and intellectual property requirements. Since we aren’t alone in this, it would have made more sense to tackle the biggest trade issue first with an alliance of countries to put more pressure on China. Kinda killed that option though didn’t he?

You don’t just give foreign leaders what they want if it goes against your interests.

Giving Trump what he wants, in the short term, to save the alliance, especially as you guys keep insisting that the deficits don't matter and the jobs losses were caused by automation,


would be in their nation's long term interests.



Come on. You know why they won't do it.


Say it. SAY IT.


What are they and you so terrified of?

 

[Correll]

That's not the cause of the declining life span. And you know it.

What does opioids have to do with Europe?

Such risk taking behavior is greatly increased by economic stress.


But you knew that.


So, wtf was that about?

Then why do we still have an opioid crisis?

Because the current status quo leaves large segments of our population behind, even as macro economic numbers improve.


That has been discussed with you before. DId you forget, or were you just pretending to not know that?

So how do you fix that? The issue isn’t trade imbalances, it is much deeper. Ever read Hillbilly Elegy?

You people keep saying trade imbalances don't matter.


If that is true, that give US what we want. It won't fix anything and after that is demonstrated, we can all move on.

 

[Coyote]

You seem to be under the delusion that alliances are one sided.

Nope.


And it's our turn. Or fuck it.


If the alliance is important, it's their turn to take one for the team.


And what's the big deal? You guys are always saying that the trade deficit doesn't matter. That it is all job losses caused by automation. And ect.


So, just give Trump what he wants to save the oh so important alliance.



I thought they were supposed to be more experience, competent and rational. So, do the experienced, competent and rational thing.


Save the Alliance. Stop stooping to Trump's level of name calling and press sniping. Be the bigger man.



Or is that all bullshit?

That is like saying give the screaming toddler his candy just to shut him up.

I am addressing your spin on this situation of course.


But if they are the "Grown ups" as so many lefties have claimed, and if the deficits "don't matter" and it the "alliance is so important",


then yes, the "grown ups" should give the soon to be gone "toddler" what he wants to save the alliance, and once he is gone, they can point out that nothing changed for the American worker, and it was a waste and we can go back to normal.


So, what's the problem with that scenario?


You know, but you can't admit it.


I dare you to say it.

The problem with it is neither trade nor alliances are simple binaries.

Our biggest trade issues are with China and it is less with dumping then with closed markets and intellectual property requirements. Since we aren’t alone in this, it would have made more sense to tackle the biggest trade issue first with an alliance of countries to put more pressure on China. Kinda killed that option though didn’t he?

You don’t just give foreign leaders what they want if it goes against your interests.

Giving Trump what he wants, in the short term, to save the alliance, especially as you guys keep insisting that the deficits don't matter and the jobs losses were caused by automation,


would be in their nation's long term interests.



Come on. You know why they won't do it.


Say it. SAY IT.


What are they and you so terrified of?

Say what? You clearly have something in mind so spit it out.

 

[Coyote]

What does opioids have to do with Europe?

Such risk taking behavior is greatly increased by economic stress.


But you knew that.


So, wtf was that about?

Then why do we still have an opioid crisis?

Because the current status quo leaves large segments of our population behind, even as macro economic numbers improve.


That has been discussed with you before. DId you forget, or were you just pretending to not know that?

So how do you fix that? The issue isn’t trade imbalances, it is much deeper. Ever read Hillbilly Elegy?

You people keep saying trade imbalances don't matter.


If that is true, that give US what we want. It won't fix anything and after that is demonstrated, we can all move on.

Who said they don’t matter?

 

[Correll]

Nope.


And it's our turn. Or fuck it.


If the alliance is important, it's their turn to take one for the team.


And what's the big deal? You guys are always saying that the trade deficit doesn't matter. That it is all job losses caused by automation. And ect.


So, just give Trump what he wants to save the oh so important alliance.



I thought they were supposed to be more experience, competent and rational. So, do the experienced, competent and rational thing.


Save the Alliance. Stop stooping to Trump's level of name calling and press sniping. Be the bigger man.



Or is that all bullshit?

That is like saying give the screaming toddler his candy just to shut him up.

I am addressing your spin on this situation of course.


But if they are the "Grown ups" as so many lefties have claimed, and if the deficits "don't matter" and it the "alliance is so important",


then yes, the "grown ups" should give the soon to be gone "toddler" what he wants to save the alliance, and once he is gone, they can point out that nothing changed for the American worker, and it was a waste and we can go back to normal.


So, what's the problem with that scenario?


You know, but you can't admit it.


I dare you to say it.

The problem with it is neither trade nor alliances are simple binaries.

Our biggest trade issues are with China and it is less with dumping then with closed markets and intellectual property requirements. Since we aren’t alone in this, it would have made more sense to tackle the biggest trade issue first with an alliance of countries to put more pressure on China. Kinda killed that option though didn’t he?

You don’t just give foreign leaders what they want if it goes against your interests.

Giving Trump what he wants, in the short term, to save the alliance, especially as you guys keep insisting that the deficits don't matter and the jobs losses were caused by automation,


would be in their nation's long term interests.



Come on. You know why they won't do it.


Say it. SAY IT.


What are they and you so terrified of?

Say what? You clearly have something in mind so spit it out.

YOu know that it will work.


You and they know, that if we change the trade policies to give back to America, that our middle class and working poor will benefit hugely.


Wages will rise. Whole communities will come back to life.


Meanwhile our shitty allies, will have real problems as the money train is cut off. They will have to fix issues they were papering over with our money.

 

[Correll]

Such risk taking behavior is greatly increased by economic stress.


But you knew that.


So, wtf was that about?

Then why do we still have an opioid crisis?

Because the current status quo leaves large segments of our population behind, even as macro economic numbers improve.


That has been discussed with you before. DId you forget, or were you just pretending to not know that?

So how do you fix that? The issue isn’t trade imbalances, it is much deeper. Ever read Hillbilly Elegy?

You people keep saying trade imbalances don't matter.


If that is true, that give US what we want. It won't fix anything and after that is demonstrated, we can all move on.

Who said they don’t matter?

Tons of you anti-Trump people.

 

[rightwinger]

Blame Republicans for blocking healthcare

We could have better healthcare than Europe and Japan if Republicans will let us

That's not the cause of the declining life span. And you know it.

What does opioids have to do with Europe?

Such risk taking behavior is greatly increased by economic stress.


But you knew that.


So, wtf was that about?

Then why do we still have an opioid crisis?

Because the current status quo leaves large segments of our population behind, even as macro economic numbers improve.


That has been discussed with you before. DId you forget, or were you just pretending to not know that?

Again

What is Fat Donnie doing about it?

Does he think slashing healthcare will help life expectancy?

 

[Correll]

That's not the cause of the declining life span. And you know it.

What does opioids have to do with Europe?

Such risk taking behavior is greatly increased by economic stress.


But you knew that.


So, wtf was that about?

Then why do we still have an opioid crisis?

Because the current status quo leaves large segments of our population behind, even as macro economic numbers improve.


That has been discussed with you before. DId you forget, or were you just pretending to not know that?

Again

What is Fat Donnie doing about it?

Does he think slashing healthcare will help life expectancy?

Hopefully once he is done trying to negotiate with these assholes, he will put down the Tariff hammer.


President TRump is the first President in generations to even try to address these people's interests.


Why are you so hostile to them? What did they ever do to you?

 

[Coyote]

That is like saying give the screaming toddler his candy just to shut him up.

I am addressing your spin on this situation of course.


But if they are the "Grown ups" as so many lefties have claimed, and if the deficits "don't matter" and it the "alliance is so important",


then yes, the "grown ups" should give the soon to be gone "toddler" what he wants to save the alliance, and once he is gone, they can point out that nothing changed for the American worker, and it was a waste and we can go back to normal.


So, what's the problem with that scenario?


You know, but you can't admit it.


I dare you to say it.

The problem with it is neither trade nor alliances are simple binaries.

Our biggest trade issues are with China and it is less with dumping then with closed markets and intellectual property requirements. Since we aren’t alone in this, it would have made more sense to tackle the biggest trade issue first with an alliance of countries to put more pressure on China. Kinda killed that option though didn’t he?

You don’t just give foreign leaders what they want if it goes against your interests.

Giving Trump what he wants, in the short term, to save the alliance, especially as you guys keep insisting that the deficits don't matter and the jobs losses were caused by automation,


would be in their nation's long term interests.



Come on. You know why they won't do it.


Say it. SAY IT.


What are they and you so terrified of?

Say what? You clearly have something in mind so spit it out.

YOu know that it will work.


You and they know, that if we change the trade policies to give back to America, that our middle class and working poor will benefit hugely.


Wages will rise. Whole communities will come back to life.


Meanwhile our shitty allies, will have real problems as the money train is cut off. They will have to fix issues they were papering over with our money.

I don’t think so. That is looking backwards not forwards. Those high paying industrial jobs are not going to come back they way they once did, paying what they once did. Communities need to focus on bringing in new industries and training new skills.

 

[Coyote]

What does opioids have to do with Europe?

Such risk taking behavior is greatly increased by economic stress.


But you knew that.


So, wtf was that about?

Then why do we still have an opioid crisis?

Because the current status quo leaves large segments of our population behind, even as macro economic numbers improve.


That has been discussed with you before. DId you forget, or were you just pretending to not know that?

Again

What is Fat Donnie doing about it?

Does he think slashing healthcare will help life expectancy?

Hopefully once he is done trying to negotiate with these assholes, he will put down the Tariff hammer.


President TRump is the first President in generations to even try to address these people's interests.


Why are you so hostile to them? What did they ever do to you?

Who is hostile to them? Since when is disputing Trumps trade policy hostility to people?

 

[Correll]

I am addressing your spin on this situation of course.


But if they are the "Grown ups" as so many lefties have claimed, and if the deficits "don't matter" and it the "alliance is so important",


then yes, the "grown ups" should give the soon to be gone "toddler" what he wants to save the alliance, and once he is gone, they can point out that nothing changed for the American worker, and it was a waste and we can go back to normal.


So, what's the problem with that scenario?


You know, but you can't admit it.


I dare you to say it.

The problem with it is neither trade nor alliances are simple binaries.

Our biggest trade issues are with China and it is less with dumping then with closed markets and intellectual property requirements. Since we aren’t alone in this, it would have made more sense to tackle the biggest trade issue first with an alliance of countries to put more pressure on China. Kinda killed that option though didn’t he?

You don’t just give foreign leaders what they want if it goes against your interests.

Giving Trump what he wants, in the short term, to save the alliance, especially as you guys keep insisting that the deficits don't matter and the jobs losses were caused by automation,


would be in their nation's long term interests.



Come on. You know why they won't do it.


Say it. SAY IT.


What are they and you so terrified of?

Say what? You clearly have something in mind so spit it out.

YOu know that it will work.


You and they know, that if we change the trade policies to give back to America, that our middle class and working poor will benefit hugely.


Wages will rise. Whole communities will come back to life.


Meanwhile our shitty allies, will have real problems as the money train is cut off. They will have to fix issues they were papering over with our money.

I don’t think so. That is looking backwards not forwards. Those high paying industrial jobs are not going to come back they way they once did, paying what they once did. Communities need to focus on bringing in new industries and training new skills.

If that was true, you would be MORE willing to give it to Trump, not less.

 

[eagle1462010]

End unfair Trade practices.............it's that simple.............if not you get return fire...............

It's not complicated. They don't like it..............oh well..........We are no longer the door mat for them to get away with it anymore. Negotiate as before the Free Trade processes in a give and take process............Why is that such a hard concept..........................

 

[Correll]

Such risk taking behavior is greatly increased by economic stress.


But you knew that.


So, wtf was that about?

Then why do we still have an opioid crisis?

Because the current status quo leaves large segments of our population behind, even as macro economic numbers improve.


That has been discussed with you before. DId you forget, or were you just pretending to not know that?

Again

What is Fat Donnie doing about it?

Does he think slashing healthcare will help life expectancy?

Hopefully once he is done trying to negotiate with these assholes, he will put down the Tariff hammer.


President TRump is the first President in generations to even try to address these people's interests.


Why are you so hostile to them? What did they ever do to you?

Who is hostile to them? Since when is disputing Trumps trade policy hostility to people?

RW is. Very much so.


SInce RW has been against white people, for quite some time. In all their sub sets EXCEPT maybe white guilt filled white liberals like himself.