A Simple Question About Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

[Polishprince]

They ALL had conservative values. They were religious men with traditional family values, and they believed in getting ahead with hard work. They didn't want handouts; they just wanted a meritocracy based system. They had far more in common with the right today then the left.

Oh, and let's be completely honest... they hated gays, and they sure as fuck wouldn't be happy about all the Trans stuff, pronouns, etc. They would hate you lefties.

I see you never heard of Bayard Rustin or James Baldwin...or Langston Hughes....all of them gay -- all of them with prominent roles in the civil rights movement

But of course you haven't -- because you never gave a fuck about Civil Rights...

Yeah? How many of them were out of the closet at the time with MLK?

ALL OF THEM...


i really suggest you shut the fuck up....

If you really gave a fuck about the civil rights movement - you wouldn't ask these dumb ass questions

Really, then why does he think of homosexuality as a problem that needs to be fixed by a psychiatrist?



He openly discussed homosexuality while writing an advice column for Ebony Magazine in 1958. According to a transcript released by Stanford University, an anonymous boy asked: “My problem is different from the ones most people have.


“I am a boy, but I feel about boys the way I ought to feel about girls. I don’t want my parents to know about me. What can I do? Is there any place where I can go for help?”

Dr King replied: “Your problem is not at all an uncommon one. However, it does require careful attention. The type of feeling that you have toward boys is probably not an innate tendency, but something that has been culturally acquired.


“Your reasons for adopting this habit have now been consciously suppressed or unconsciously repressed.

“Therefore, it is necessary to deal with this problem by getting back to some of the experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit.

“In order to do this I would suggest that you see a good psychiatrist who can assist you in bringing to the forefront of conscience all of those experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit.

“You are already on the right road toward a solution, since you honestly recognise the problem and have a desire to solve it.

This is what Martin Luther King told a gay teen who was struggling with his sexuality in 1958

Lets talk about Ruskin. This quote sure doesnt make King look good.

"At a given point, there was so much pressure on Dr. King about my being gay and particularly because I would not deny it, that he set up a committee to explore whether it would be dangerous for me to continue working with him," Rustin says to the Blade in the interview.


...and then theres this quote from his own daughter, who is a lesbian herself. When asked if King would have supported the LGTBQ community, she said the following.

“No, he would champion the word of God,” she said. “If he would have championed gay rights today, he would have done it while he was here. There was ample opportunity for him to champion gay rights during his lifetime, and he did not do so.”

Ooh, thats the nail in the coffin. You have no argument because you dont know the facts about MLK. Youre welcome for me teaching you about Martin Luther King.

Can you show me where MLK advocated policies to discriminate against gays???

I am straight, I don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle -- because I am straight....and that is where it ends for me...

I still want them to be able to have "EQUAL PROTECTION" under the law...I don't want them banned from the military like conservatives do...I don't them to be denied employment or a place to live, like conservatives do.....

..and thanks for proving my point that there were "OPEN GAYS" fighting along side of King....moron....

MLK was legally a minister of the gospel, but never once conducted a single Gay Marriage, even up through the date of his passing.

BTW, the young poofter who wrote to Dr. King was not an OPEN gay at all. In fact, none of MLK's close associates were men in women's clothing or identified as anything but the sex that Almighty God made them.

 

[rightwinger]

Yeah? How many of them were out of the closet at the time with MLK?

ALL OF THEM...


i really suggest you shut the fuck up....

If you really gave a fuck about the civil rights movement - you wouldn't ask these dumb ass questions

Really, then why does he think of homosexuality as a problem that needs to be fixed by a psychiatrist?



He openly discussed homosexuality while writing an advice column for Ebony Magazine in 1958. According to a transcript released by Stanford University, an anonymous boy asked: “My problem is different from the ones most people have.


“I am a boy, but I feel about boys the way I ought to feel about girls. I don’t want my parents to know about me. What can I do? Is there any place where I can go for help?”

Dr King replied: “Your problem is not at all an uncommon one. However, it does require careful attention. The type of feeling that you have toward boys is probably not an innate tendency, but something that has been culturally acquired.


“Your reasons for adopting this habit have now been consciously suppressed or unconsciously repressed.

“Therefore, it is necessary to deal with this problem by getting back to some of the experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit.

“In order to do this I would suggest that you see a good psychiatrist who can assist you in bringing to the forefront of conscience all of those experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit.

“You are already on the right road toward a solution, since you honestly recognise the problem and have a desire to solve it.

This is what Martin Luther King told a gay teen who was struggling with his sexuality in 1958

Lets talk about Ruskin. This quote sure doesnt make King look good.

"At a given point, there was so much pressure on Dr. King about my being gay and particularly because I would not deny it, that he set up a committee to explore whether it would be dangerous for me to continue working with him," Rustin says to the Blade in the interview.


...and then theres this quote from his own daughter, who is a lesbian herself. When asked if King would have supported the LGTBQ community, she said the following.

“No, he would champion the word of God,” she said. “If he would have championed gay rights today, he would have done it while he was here. There was ample opportunity for him to champion gay rights during his lifetime, and he did not do so.”

Ooh, thats the nail in the coffin. You have no argument because you dont know the facts about MLK. Youre welcome for me teaching you about Martin Luther King.

Can you show me where MLK advocated policies to discriminate against gays???

I am straight, I don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle -- because I am straight....and that is where it ends for me...

I still want them to be able to have "EQUAL PROTECTION" under the law...I don't want them banned from the military like conservatives do...I don't them to be denied employment or a place to live, like conservatives do.....

..and thanks for proving my point that there were "OPEN GAYS" fighting along side of King....moron....

I just gave you an example. Rustin said he almost got "fired" by MLK for being gay. The fact that he even considered it is discrimination.

Funny how when I asked you to name me one single conservative along side of King marching for CIVIL RIGHTS -- you couldn't...

Then (as is common place for dic suckers like you) -- you went on a rant about gays -- I showed you that gays were also there fighting for Civil Rights along side of King.....

Then yo stupid ass said "I bet they wasn't open" -- then I showed you, yes they were open....

Then yo stupid ass said "but but but...King almost fired him for being gay" -- so??

However, you should thank me for even educating you on the existence of Bayard Rustin -- because you have learned more about him in your pursuit of deflection than you would have ever learned on your own....

Now how about you use that same energy to find me a conservative who was there marching along side of King for civil rights??

Fact is Conservatives did not care about Civil Rights
They advocated that negroes stop agitating and that separate but equal worked just fine

 

[Polishprince]

ALL OF THEM...


i really suggest you shut the fuck up....

If you really gave a fuck about the civil rights movement - you wouldn't ask these dumb ass questions

Really, then why does he think of homosexuality as a problem that needs to be fixed by a psychiatrist?



He openly discussed homosexuality while writing an advice column for Ebony Magazine in 1958. According to a transcript released by Stanford University, an anonymous boy asked: “My problem is different from the ones most people have.


“I am a boy, but I feel about boys the way I ought to feel about girls. I don’t want my parents to know about me. What can I do? Is there any place where I can go for help?”

Dr King replied: “Your problem is not at all an uncommon one. However, it does require careful attention. The type of feeling that you have toward boys is probably not an innate tendency, but something that has been culturally acquired.


“Your reasons for adopting this habit have now been consciously suppressed or unconsciously repressed.

“Therefore, it is necessary to deal with this problem by getting back to some of the experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit.

“In order to do this I would suggest that you see a good psychiatrist who can assist you in bringing to the forefront of conscience all of those experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit.

“You are already on the right road toward a solution, since you honestly recognise the problem and have a desire to solve it.

This is what Martin Luther King told a gay teen who was struggling with his sexuality in 1958

Lets talk about Ruskin. This quote sure doesnt make King look good.

"At a given point, there was so much pressure on Dr. King about my being gay and particularly because I would not deny it, that he set up a committee to explore whether it would be dangerous for me to continue working with him," Rustin says to the Blade in the interview.


...and then theres this quote from his own daughter, who is a lesbian herself. When asked if King would have supported the LGTBQ community, she said the following.

“No, he would champion the word of God,” she said. “If he would have championed gay rights today, he would have done it while he was here. There was ample opportunity for him to champion gay rights during his lifetime, and he did not do so.”

Ooh, thats the nail in the coffin. You have no argument because you dont know the facts about MLK. Youre welcome for me teaching you about Martin Luther King.

Can you show me where MLK advocated policies to discriminate against gays???

I am straight, I don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle -- because I am straight....and that is where it ends for me...

I still want them to be able to have "EQUAL PROTECTION" under the law...I don't want them banned from the military like conservatives do...I don't them to be denied employment or a place to live, like conservatives do.....

..and thanks for proving my point that there were "OPEN GAYS" fighting along side of King....moron....

I just gave you an example. Rustin said he almost got "fired" by MLK for being gay. The fact that he even considered it is discrimination.

Funny how when I asked you to name me one single conservative along side of King marching for CIVIL RIGHTS -- you couldn't...

Then (as is common place for dic suckers like you) -- you went on a rant about gays -- I showed you that gays were also there fighting for Civil Rights along side of King.....

Then yo stupid ass said "I bet they wasn't open" -- then I showed you, yes they were open....

Then yo stupid ass said "but but but...King almost fired him for being gay" -- so??

However, you should thank me for even educating you on the existence of Bayard Rustin -- because you have learned more about him in your pursuit of deflection than you would have ever learned on your own....

Now how about you use that same energy to find me a conservative who was there marching along side of King for civil rights??

Fact is Conservatives did not care about Civil Rights
They advocated that negroes stop agitating and that separate but equal worked just fine

Where did you get that idea, RW?

President Warren Gamaliel Harding, who was a solid, normative conservative went to Far Left Alabama to advocate for civil rights. The population there was heavily blue, Alabama went 2 to 1 in favor of the D's.

 

[rightwinger]

Really, then why does he think of homosexuality as a problem that needs to be fixed by a psychiatrist?



He openly discussed homosexuality while writing an advice column for Ebony Magazine in 1958. According to a transcript released by Stanford University, an anonymous boy asked: “My problem is different from the ones most people have.


“I am a boy, but I feel about boys the way I ought to feel about girls. I don’t want my parents to know about me. What can I do? Is there any place where I can go for help?”

Dr King replied: “Your problem is not at all an uncommon one. However, it does require careful attention. The type of feeling that you have toward boys is probably not an innate tendency, but something that has been culturally acquired.


“Your reasons for adopting this habit have now been consciously suppressed or unconsciously repressed.

“Therefore, it is necessary to deal with this problem by getting back to some of the experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit.

“In order to do this I would suggest that you see a good psychiatrist who can assist you in bringing to the forefront of conscience all of those experiences and circumstances that lead to the habit.

“You are already on the right road toward a solution, since you honestly recognise the problem and have a desire to solve it.

This is what Martin Luther King told a gay teen who was struggling with his sexuality in 1958

Lets talk about Ruskin. This quote sure doesnt make King look good.

"At a given point, there was so much pressure on Dr. King about my being gay and particularly because I would not deny it, that he set up a committee to explore whether it would be dangerous for me to continue working with him," Rustin says to the Blade in the interview.


...and then theres this quote from his own daughter, who is a lesbian herself. When asked if King would have supported the LGTBQ community, she said the following.

“No, he would champion the word of God,” she said. “If he would have championed gay rights today, he would have done it while he was here. There was ample opportunity for him to champion gay rights during his lifetime, and he did not do so.”

Ooh, thats the nail in the coffin. You have no argument because you dont know the facts about MLK. Youre welcome for me teaching you about Martin Luther King.

Can you show me where MLK advocated policies to discriminate against gays???

I am straight, I don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle -- because I am straight....and that is where it ends for me...

I still want them to be able to have "EQUAL PROTECTION" under the law...I don't want them banned from the military like conservatives do...I don't them to be denied employment or a place to live, like conservatives do.....

..and thanks for proving my point that there were "OPEN GAYS" fighting along side of King....moron....

I just gave you an example. Rustin said he almost got "fired" by MLK for being gay. The fact that he even considered it is discrimination.

Funny how when I asked you to name me one single conservative along side of King marching for CIVIL RIGHTS -- you couldn't...

Then (as is common place for dic suckers like you) -- you went on a rant about gays -- I showed you that gays were also there fighting for Civil Rights along side of King.....

Then yo stupid ass said "I bet they wasn't open" -- then I showed you, yes they were open....

Then yo stupid ass said "but but but...King almost fired him for being gay" -- so??

However, you should thank me for even educating you on the existence of Bayard Rustin -- because you have learned more about him in your pursuit of deflection than you would have ever learned on your own....

Now how about you use that same energy to find me a conservative who was there marching along side of King for civil rights??

Fact is Conservatives did not care about Civil Rights
They advocated that negroes stop agitating and that separate but equal worked just fine

Where did you get that idea, RW?

President Warren Gamaliel Harding, who was a solid, normative conservative went to Far Left Alabama to advocate for civil rights. The population there was heavily blue, Alabama went 2 to 1 in favor of the D's.

1920s not 1960s

 

[Polishprince]

Can you show me where MLK advocated policies to discriminate against gays???

I am straight, I don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle -- because I am straight....and that is where it ends for me...

I still want them to be able to have "EQUAL PROTECTION" under the law...I don't want them banned from the military like conservatives do...I don't them to be denied employment or a place to live, like conservatives do.....

..and thanks for proving my point that there were "OPEN GAYS" fighting along side of King....moron....

I just gave you an example. Rustin said he almost got "fired" by MLK for being gay. The fact that he even considered it is discrimination.

Funny how when I asked you to name me one single conservative along side of King marching for CIVIL RIGHTS -- you couldn't...

Then (as is common place for dic suckers like you) -- you went on a rant about gays -- I showed you that gays were also there fighting for Civil Rights along side of King.....

Then yo stupid ass said "I bet they wasn't open" -- then I showed you, yes they were open....

Then yo stupid ass said "but but but...King almost fired him for being gay" -- so??

However, you should thank me for even educating you on the existence of Bayard Rustin -- because you have learned more about him in your pursuit of deflection than you would have ever learned on your own....

Now how about you use that same energy to find me a conservative who was there marching along side of King for civil rights??

Fact is Conservatives did not care about Civil Rights
They advocated that negroes stop agitating and that separate but equal worked just fine

Where did you get that idea, RW?

President Warren Gamaliel Harding, who was a solid, normative conservative went to Far Left Alabama to advocate for civil rights. The population there was heavily blue, Alabama went 2 to 1 in favor of the D's.

1920s not 1960s

My grandfather didn't have a racist bone in his body, yet was hardcore conservative. If black customers wanted to come into his store or to buy merchandise, he had no problem at all. It was the liberal store keeps that had a problem in the days of segregation.

BTW, he had a lot of respect for our legal system. Never voted even once- he recognized that because he was born abroad, he could never become President and he was ok with that.

 

[rightwinger]

I just gave you an example. Rustin said he almost got "fired" by MLK for being gay. The fact that he even considered it is discrimination.

Funny how when I asked you to name me one single conservative along side of King marching for CIVIL RIGHTS -- you couldn't...

Then (as is common place for dic suckers like you) -- you went on a rant about gays -- I showed you that gays were also there fighting for Civil Rights along side of King.....

Then yo stupid ass said "I bet they wasn't open" -- then I showed you, yes they were open....

Then yo stupid ass said "but but but...King almost fired him for being gay" -- so??

However, you should thank me for even educating you on the existence of Bayard Rustin -- because you have learned more about him in your pursuit of deflection than you would have ever learned on your own....

Now how about you use that same energy to find me a conservative who was there marching along side of King for civil rights??

Fact is Conservatives did not care about Civil Rights
They advocated that negroes stop agitating and that separate but equal worked just fine

Where did you get that idea, RW?

President Warren Gamaliel Harding, who was a solid, normative conservative went to Far Left Alabama to advocate for civil rights. The population there was heavily blue, Alabama went 2 to 1 in favor of the D's.

1920s not 1960s

My grandfather didn't have a racist bone in his body, yet was hardcore conservative. If black customers wanted to come into his store or to buy merchandise, he had no problem at all. It was the liberal store keeps that had a problem in the days of segregation.

BTW, he had a lot of respect for our legal system. Never voted even once- he recognized that because he was born abroad, he could never become President and he was ok with that.

Praise the Lord....he sold to negroes

Which state and what year?

 

[Polishprince]

Funny how when I asked you to name me one single conservative along side of King marching for CIVIL RIGHTS -- you couldn't...

Then (as is common place for dic suckers like you) -- you went on a rant about gays -- I showed you that gays were also there fighting for Civil Rights along side of King.....

Then yo stupid ass said "I bet they wasn't open" -- then I showed you, yes they were open....

Then yo stupid ass said "but but but...King almost fired him for being gay" -- so??

However, you should thank me for even educating you on the existence of Bayard Rustin -- because you have learned more about him in your pursuit of deflection than you would have ever learned on your own....

Now how about you use that same energy to find me a conservative who was there marching along side of King for civil rights??

Fact is Conservatives did not care about Civil Rights
They advocated that negroes stop agitating and that separate but equal worked just fine

Where did you get that idea, RW?

President Warren Gamaliel Harding, who was a solid, normative conservative went to Far Left Alabama to advocate for civil rights. The population there was heavily blue, Alabama went 2 to 1 in favor of the D's.

1920s not 1960s

My grandfather didn't have a racist bone in his body, yet was hardcore conservative. If black customers wanted to come into his store or to buy merchandise, he had no problem at all. It was the liberal store keeps that had a problem in the days of segregation.

BTW, he had a lot of respect for our legal system. Never voted even once- he recognized that because he was born abroad, he could never become President and he was ok with that.

Praise the Lord....he sold to negroes

Which state and what year?

From the 1930's through the 1960's, in the Great State of Ohio.

Right during the height of segregation, at least among the Liberals.

 

[rightwinger]

Fact is Conservatives did not care about Civil Rights
They advocated that negroes stop agitating and that separate but equal worked just fine

Where did you get that idea, RW?

President Warren Gamaliel Harding, who was a solid, normative conservative went to Far Left Alabama to advocate for civil rights. The population there was heavily blue, Alabama went 2 to 1 in favor of the D's.

1920s not 1960s

My grandfather didn't have a racist bone in his body, yet was hardcore conservative. If black customers wanted to come into his store or to buy merchandise, he had no problem at all. It was the liberal store keeps that had a problem in the days of segregation.

BTW, he had a lot of respect for our legal system. Never voted even once- he recognized that because he was born abroad, he could never become President and he was ok with that.

Praise the Lord....he sold to negroes

Which state and what year?

From the 1930's through the 1960's, in the Great State of Ohio.

Right during the height of segregation, at least among the Liberals.

Um........Ohio was not a Jim Crow state

EVERY business sold to blacks

 

[Polishprince]

Where did you get that idea, RW?

President Warren Gamaliel Harding, who was a solid, normative conservative went to Far Left Alabama to advocate for civil rights. The population there was heavily blue, Alabama went 2 to 1 in favor of the D's.

1920s not 1960s

My grandfather didn't have a racist bone in his body, yet was hardcore conservative. If black customers wanted to come into his store or to buy merchandise, he had no problem at all. It was the liberal store keeps that had a problem in the days of segregation.

BTW, he had a lot of respect for our legal system. Never voted even once- he recognized that because he was born abroad, he could never become President and he was ok with that.

Praise the Lord....he sold to negroes

Which state and what year?

From the 1930's through the 1960's, in the Great State of Ohio.

Right during the height of segregation, at least among the Liberals.

Um........Ohio was not a Jim Crow state

EVERY business sold to blacks

Where did you get this idea that liberal towns in Ohio were a racial paradise in the 1960's and previously?

 

[Superbadbrutha]

He would have been proud of Pres. Obama. He probably would call Trump a disgrace like every other civil rights leader does.

Another lie.

Members of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King’s extended family came out in support of President Trump this week, on the national day of recognition for the civil rights leader.

Isaac Newton Farris Jr. and Alveda King, Dr. King’s nephew and niece, respectively, asserted in interviews that Trump is not a racist.

Who are Those MLK Family Members Expressing Support for Trump? | Afro

Yea that changes everything that 2 people in his family are Toms.

2 means not everyone so either you lied or you’re an idiot. I think the latter.

You're the idiot for posting that bullshit.

You said “everyone” yes or no?

Show me a Southern Democrat or Republican that marched with Dr. King

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Another lie.

Members of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King’s extended family came out in support of President Trump this week, on the national day of recognition for the civil rights leader.

Isaac Newton Farris Jr. and Alveda King, Dr. King’s nephew and niece, respectively, asserted in interviews that Trump is not a racist.

Who are Those MLK Family Members Expressing Support for Trump? | Afro

Yea that changes everything that 2 people in his family are Toms.

2 means not everyone so either you lied or you’re an idiot. I think the latter.

You're the idiot for posting that bullshit.

You said “everyone” yes or no?

Show me a Southern Democrat or Republican that marched with Dr. King

Dude I was born in 1980. Why are we discussing ancient history?

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Where did you get that idea, RW?

President Warren Gamaliel Harding, who was a solid, normative conservative went to Far Left Alabama to advocate for civil rights. The population there was heavily blue, Alabama went 2 to 1 in favor of the D's.

1920s not 1960s

My grandfather didn't have a racist bone in his body, yet was hardcore conservative. If black customers wanted to come into his store or to buy merchandise, he had no problem at all. It was the liberal store keeps that had a problem in the days of segregation.

BTW, he had a lot of respect for our legal system. Never voted even once- he recognized that because he was born abroad, he could never become President and he was ok with that.

Praise the Lord....he sold to negroes

Which state and what year?

From the 1930's through the 1960's, in the Great State of Ohio.

Right during the height of segregation, at least among the Liberals.

Um........Ohio was not a Jim Crow state

EVERY business sold to blacks

You realize that Jim Crow was a state/Gov't initiative right?

 

[rightwinger]

1920s not 1960s

My grandfather didn't have a racist bone in his body, yet was hardcore conservative. If black customers wanted to come into his store or to buy merchandise, he had no problem at all. It was the liberal store keeps that had a problem in the days of segregation.

BTW, he had a lot of respect for our legal system. Never voted even once- he recognized that because he was born abroad, he could never become President and he was ok with that.

Praise the Lord....he sold to negroes

Which state and what year?

From the 1930's through the 1960's, in the Great State of Ohio.

Right during the height of segregation, at least among the Liberals.

Um........Ohio was not a Jim Crow state

EVERY business sold to blacks

Where did you get this idea that liberal towns in Ohio were a racial paradise in the 1960's and previously?

...Ohio was not Jim Crow
Your grandparents did what everyone else did

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Convienietly ignored.

I'm an MLK scholar – and I'll never be able to view King in the same light

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Yea that changes everything that 2 people in his family are Toms.

2 means not everyone so either you lied or you’re an idiot. I think the latter.

You're the idiot for posting that bullshit.

You said “everyone” yes or no?

Show me a Southern Democrat or Republican that marched with Dr. King

Dude I was born in 1980. Why are we discussing ancient history?

Ask the dumbass who started the thread.

 

[Correll]

7 Big Lies Conservatives Want You To Believe About Martin Luther King, Jr.

I got one question to ask on the day we celebrate the life and lessons of Dr. Martin Luther King - (or as the Democrats call him, Martin Luther Coon) -- and that question is -- what prominent conservatives were marching along side of King down in places like Selma, Birmingham, Jackson?? Notice, I didn't ask what prominent "republicans" were marching along side of King, I asked what prominent "conservatives" were marching along side of him....and whenever you break it down along ideological lines instead of party lines -- the closet racists of today get triggered.....

"When you look at American history from a straight progressive versus conservative viewpoint, there have not been too many universally agreed upon conservative victories. Primarily because conservatives are conservatives and want things to stay the same. And things have changed. When women wanted the vote, obviously, the people not wanting that to change would have been considered conservative. Those who wanted to keep Jim Crow would have been conservatives. Many of those who would have been considered heroes to the conservatives at the time would seem super backwards to almost anyone today. No one is going around wearing a Joseph McCarthy t-shirt, and cool kids on campus are not sitting around reading “The Bell Curve.”

Since this question is so hard for today's conservatives to answer -- they resort to just flat out making shit up -- and hoping if they just keep repeating the lie enough, it will be truth -- pay no attention to what MLK said himself, they tell you...Popular lies like "King was a Republican, believe me...his niece even said it...and we pay her a lot of money to keep telling us that!!"....Here is what King said about the 1964 Republican convention...."The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism. All people of goodwill viewed with alarm and concern the frenzied wedding at the Cow Palace of the KKK with the radical right. The “best man” [Barry Goldwater] at this ceremony was a senator whose voting record, philosophy, and program were anathema to all the hard-won achievements of the past decade."

History and facts are a troublesome thing for those who seek to try to invent their own...and when those people really get triggered -- they finally let it slip out that "King cheated on his wives, he is a rapist!!" -- "King was paid to say those radical things by the Commies!!" -- funny, weren't you just claiming he was a conservative Republican??

Let's also remember what your former God, St. Reagan (replaced by your new God, Trump) said immediately after the assassination of MLK....he basically said he was a radical lawbreaker and he had it coming....Even when he had to change positions and sign MLK day as a federal holiday -- he wrote an apology letter to a member of the racist John Birch society (Meldrim Thomson, Jr) to explain to him that he was only using the MLK day as political pretext to silence the mounting criticism of his positions on civil rights.

So....I'll simply ask....can you name me the prominent republican conservatives who were along side of King, putting his or her life on the line for civil rights? People who died for what they believed in, people like Viola Luizzo, Andrew Goodman, William Lewis Moore, Jonathan Daniels -- by the way, all of those people I just named were white.....the ones who were attacked as being "liberal trouble makers" and "N-word lovers" -- they damn sure were not murdered for being "prominent conservatives"

I'll leave to more serious history buffs to find any conservatives who might have been there.


But I will point out, that conservatives of the GOP, had been at the forefront of equal rights for blacks before, during and after MLK.


They might not have been marching in the streets, prompting confrontations to get PR, but they were in the Congress passing laws and in the White House enforcing those laws.

Some members of the GOP certainly were fighting for equal rights for African Americans before MLK, but during the Civil Rights era and certainly after the Civil Rights Act passed- the GOP moved away from that position.

FDR started the first substantive movements for rights for African Americans- and for poor Americans- which is why much of the African American vote started shifting from GOP to Democrat during the '30's.
Then Truman abolished segregation in the military.
Eisenhower actually desegregated the military.
Kennedy proposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
Johnson was able to push the 1964 Civil Rights Act into passing- despite the opposition of every Southern senator from both parties. Johnson could not have passed the bill without active support from the Republican minority.

Then came the next election. When Republicans nominated Barry Goldwater for President. Goldwater was one of the only non-Southern Senators to vote against the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Which is why MLK denounced the GOP Presidential conference.

As you said- I will leave it to the serious history buffs to decide which one of those Republicans were 'conservative' since that title seems to be a title of convenience changed by almost anyone who finds a need to.

Barry Goldwater did not vote against the 1964 civil rights act because he opposed Civil Rights, but because he disagreed with that particular way of going about it.


The GOP has never changed it's policy or support for equal rights for all. Your claim is simply wrong.

 

[Correll]

7 Big Lies Conservatives Want You To Believe About Martin Luther King, Jr.

I got one question to ask on the day we celebrate the life and lessons of Dr. Martin Luther King - (or as the Democrats call him, Martin Luther Coon) -- and that question is -- what prominent conservatives were marching along side of King down in places like Selma, Birmingham, Jackson?? Notice, I didn't ask what prominent "republicans" were marching along side of King, I asked what prominent "conservatives" were marching along side of him....and whenever you break it down along ideological lines instead of party lines -- the closet racists of today get triggered.....

"When you look at American history from a straight progressive versus conservative viewpoint, there have not been too many universally agreed upon conservative victories. Primarily because conservatives are conservatives and want things to stay the same. And things have changed. When women wanted the vote, obviously, the people not wanting that to change would have been considered conservative. Those who wanted to keep Jim Crow would have been conservatives. Many of those who would have been considered heroes to the conservatives at the time would seem super backwards to almost anyone today. No one is going around wearing a Joseph McCarthy t-shirt, and cool kids on campus are not sitting around reading “The Bell Curve.”

Since this question is so hard for today's conservatives to answer -- they resort to just flat out making shit up -- and hoping if they just keep repeating the lie enough, it will be truth -- pay no attention to what MLK said himself, they tell you...Popular lies like "King was a Republican, believe me...his niece even said it...and we pay her a lot of money to keep telling us that!!"....Here is what King said about the 1964 Republican convention...."The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism. All people of goodwill viewed with alarm and concern the frenzied wedding at the Cow Palace of the KKK with the radical right. The “best man” [Barry Goldwater] at this ceremony was a senator whose voting record, philosophy, and program were anathema to all the hard-won achievements of the past decade."

History and facts are a troublesome thing for those who seek to try to invent their own...and when those people really get triggered -- they finally let it slip out that "King cheated on his wives, he is a rapist!!" -- "King was paid to say those radical things by the Commies!!" -- funny, weren't you just claiming he was a conservative Republican??

Let's also remember what your former God, St. Reagan (replaced by your new God, Trump) said immediately after the assassination of MLK....he basically said he was a radical lawbreaker and he had it coming....Even when he had to change positions and sign MLK day as a federal holiday -- he wrote an apology letter to a member of the racist John Birch society (Meldrim Thomson, Jr) to explain to him that he was only using the MLK day as political pretext to silence the mounting criticism of his positions on civil rights.

So....I'll simply ask....can you name me the prominent republican conservatives who were along side of King, putting his or her life on the line for civil rights? People who died for what they believed in, people like Viola Luizzo, Andrew Goodman, William Lewis Moore, Jonathan Daniels -- by the way, all of those people I just named were white.....the ones who were attacked as being "liberal trouble makers" and "N-word lovers" -- they damn sure were not murdered for being "prominent conservatives"

I'll leave to more serious history buffs to find any conservatives who might have been there.


But I will point out, that conservatives of the GOP, had been at the forefront of equal rights for blacks before, during and after MLK.


They might not have been marching in the streets, prompting confrontations to get PR, but they were in the Congress passing laws and in the White House enforcing those laws.

Some members of the GOP certainly were fighting for equal rights for African Americans before MLK, but during the Civil Rights era and certainly after the Civil Rights Act passed- the GOP moved away from that position.

FDR started the first substantive movements for rights for African Americans- and for poor Americans- which is why much of the African American vote started shifting from GOP to Democrat during the '30's.
Then Truman abolished segregation in the military.
Eisenhower actually desegregated the military.
Kennedy proposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
Johnson was able to push the 1964 Civil Rights Act into passing- despite the opposition of every Southern senator from both parties. Johnson could not have passed the bill without active support from the Republican minority.

Then came the next election. When Republicans nominated Barry Goldwater for President. Goldwater was one of the only non-Southern Senators to vote against the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Which is why MLK denounced the GOP Presidential conference.

As you said- I will leave it to the serious history buffs to decide which one of those Republicans were 'conservative' since that title seems to be a title of convenience changed by almost anyone who finds a need to.

I do find it always amusing that the Conservative answer to why African Americans vote Democrat, not Republican all boils down to you thinking that African Americans are stupid.

Except that that usually requires you decided that that was what the conservative meant. LIke Mac just did, when he decided that taking the credit for the good job numbers was "meant" as an insult to the intelligence of blacks.

 

[Correll]

7 Big Lies Conservatives Want You To Believe About Martin Luther King, Jr.

I got one question to ask on the day we celebrate the life and lessons of Dr. Martin Luther King - (or as the Democrats call him, Martin Luther Coon) -- and that question is -- what prominent conservatives were marching along side of King down in places like Selma, Birmingham, Jackson?? Notice, I didn't ask what prominent "republicans" were marching along side of King, I asked what prominent "conservatives" were marching along side of him....and whenever you break it down along ideological lines instead of party lines -- the closet racists of today get triggered.....

"When you look at American history from a straight progressive versus conservative viewpoint, there have not been too many universally agreed upon conservative victories. Primarily because conservatives are conservatives and want things to stay the same. And things have changed. When women wanted the vote, obviously, the people not wanting that to change would have been considered conservative. Those who wanted to keep Jim Crow would have been conservatives. Many of those who would have been considered heroes to the conservatives at the time would seem super backwards to almost anyone today. No one is going around wearing a Joseph McCarthy t-shirt, and cool kids on campus are not sitting around reading “The Bell Curve.”

Since this question is so hard for today's conservatives to answer -- they resort to just flat out making shit up -- and hoping if they just keep repeating the lie enough, it will be truth -- pay no attention to what MLK said himself, they tell you...Popular lies like "King was a Republican, believe me...his niece even said it...and we pay her a lot of money to keep telling us that!!"....Here is what King said about the 1964 Republican convention...."The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism. All people of goodwill viewed with alarm and concern the frenzied wedding at the Cow Palace of the KKK with the radical right. The “best man” [Barry Goldwater] at this ceremony was a senator whose voting record, philosophy, and program were anathema to all the hard-won achievements of the past decade."

History and facts are a troublesome thing for those who seek to try to invent their own...and when those people really get triggered -- they finally let it slip out that "King cheated on his wives, he is a rapist!!" -- "King was paid to say those radical things by the Commies!!" -- funny, weren't you just claiming he was a conservative Republican??

Let's also remember what your former God, St. Reagan (replaced by your new God, Trump) said immediately after the assassination of MLK....he basically said he was a radical lawbreaker and he had it coming....Even when he had to change positions and sign MLK day as a federal holiday -- he wrote an apology letter to a member of the racist John Birch society (Meldrim Thomson, Jr) to explain to him that he was only using the MLK day as political pretext to silence the mounting criticism of his positions on civil rights.

So....I'll simply ask....can you name me the prominent republican conservatives who were along side of King, putting his or her life on the line for civil rights? People who died for what they believed in, people like Viola Luizzo, Andrew Goodman, William Lewis Moore, Jonathan Daniels -- by the way, all of those people I just named were white.....the ones who were attacked as being "liberal trouble makers" and "N-word lovers" -- they damn sure were not murdered for being "prominent conservatives"

I'll leave to more serious history buffs to find any conservatives who might have been there.


But I will point out, that conservatives of the GOP, had been at the forefront of equal rights for blacks before, during and after MLK.


They might not have been marching in the streets, prompting confrontations to get PR, but they were in the Congress passing laws and in the White House enforcing those laws.

Barry Goldwater was the "father of conservatism" wasn't he?

He was the republican nominee in 1964 -- and he was opposed to the Civil Rights and Voting Rights act......and still to this day, its conservatives who are trying to weaken both the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Act...

I suggest you leave the whole conversation to the history buffs

Barry Goldwater did not oppose the Civil Rights Bill because he was against Civil Rights, but because he did not like that particular bill.


My point about the GOP long term support for Civil Rights stands. Nothing changed. We have had bi-partisan consensus in support of equal rights for blacks for over 50 years.

 

[Correll]

Err, that "insult",could you spell it out for those of us that don't quite see it?

No reason to.
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What is insulting about wanting to give Trump credit for the record breaking improvements in black unemployment rates, that occurred since he took over?

Cause I'm really not seeing any insult.

The insult is that a black person would look at that chart and give Trump credit for it, when the trajectory of the unemployment rate that Trump inherited was CLEARLY headed down. Most people are smart enough to see that, and it's an insult that a person would not.

My goodness, this place blows my freakin' mind. It really does.
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In my life, every single President has either personally, or at least though his partisans, has claimed credit for the good things that occur during his time in office.



I am, I am sure you will agree, one of the most sensitive to slights people on the Right there is. I enjoy watching videos of people even more rant-y than I, such as Gavin McGinnes, former head of the Proud BOys, reacting to the things liberals say.



I have never myself, nor heard any conservative claim INSULT from liberals, simply because a dem President or one of his partisans, claimed credit for something good that happened on his watch.






It is not enough for liberals today, to disagree with a conservative.


Because just disagreeing leads to questions of policy. No, the liberal in question, needs an excuse to marginalize the conservative so that such discussion of policy and issues, can be avoided.

There may be a point in there, among all the extra spaces in the typing, I don't know. But it does appear that it's all the other guy's fault.

You asked a question, I answered it. I wasn't expecting a miracle.
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DO you see that without talking, all conflicts will eventually be decided by force and violence?

 

[Mac1958]

No reason to.
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What is insulting about wanting to give Trump credit for the record breaking improvements in black unemployment rates, that occurred since he took over?

Cause I'm really not seeing any insult.

The insult is that a black person would look at that chart and give Trump credit for it, when the trajectory of the unemployment rate that Trump inherited was CLEARLY headed down. Most people are smart enough to see that, and it's an insult that a person would not.

My goodness, this place blows my freakin' mind. It really does.
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In my life, every single President has either personally, or at least though his partisans, has claimed credit for the good things that occur during his time in office.



I am, I am sure you will agree, one of the most sensitive to slights people on the Right there is. I enjoy watching videos of people even more rant-y than I, such as Gavin McGinnes, former head of the Proud BOys, reacting to the things liberals say.



I have never myself, nor heard any conservative claim INSULT from liberals, simply because a dem President or one of his partisans, claimed credit for something good that happened on his watch.






It is not enough for liberals today, to disagree with a conservative.


Because just disagreeing leads to questions of policy. No, the liberal in question, needs an excuse to marginalize the conservative so that such discussion of policy and issues, can be avoided.

There may be a point in there, among all the extra spaces in the typing, I don't know. But it does appear that it's all the other guy's fault.

You asked a question, I answered it. I wasn't expecting a miracle.
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DO you see that without talking, all conflicts will eventually be decided by force and violence?

Uh yes, okay.

Honesty would be another required component.
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