20 week Abortion act Passes House of Reps.

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    A fetus isn't human until the umbilical cord is cut. Until then it's more an eggplant.

    Capital punishment is naughty, because criminals require love, understanding and rehabilitation.
     
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    It's a bit odd in that conservatives tend to urge federalism rather than national laws, and abortion is generally a state issue. But frankly 20 weeks would not be such a bad compromise but for red states passing laws designed to close clinics and chase off docs, so that women have longer waits or are forced into longer travels out of state.
     
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    Democrats will be deeply upset that they can no longer butcher unborn children.
     
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    That's just it: personhood IS something that can be arbitrarily switched on and off with legislation, if it is not constitutional personhood. See corporations as persons for an example.

    Murder is not a constitutionally defined term. Legislatures can define murder how they wish. Not all states have fetal homicide laws, so the definition of murder is not universal throughout the country.

    The courts have, so far as I'm aware, been pretty vague on the definition of a person. There is no reason that definition must be the same for fetal homicide laws and the 14th amendment.
     
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    Read what the SCOTUS AND the pro abort lawyers said in Roe (read my sig. )

    Then, feel free to explain why you think they were wrong.
     
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    It's not they who are wrong, but you, as your signature is not something that has happened. As I explained, there is a difference between a person as recognized by the 14th amendment and a person as created through law. I even provided a fairly in-depth breakdown in the link from scholarly commons. A state fetal homicide law does not change the definition of person per the 14th amendment as recognized by the USSC. Just as a corporation can be legally a "person" without being granted all constitutional protections, so can a fetus.

    Legalities don't always follow common sense. :dunno:
     
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    Can you be charged with MURDER for killing anything other than another HUMAN being?

    Before you answer. . . Keep in mind that our fetal Homicide laws already define children in the womb AS such.
     
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    Won't become law.

    Next fail?
     
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    Does the constitution grant protections to human beings? Does the way a state law or federal law defines something supercede constitutional definitions as understood by the USSC?

    Is there anything in the constitution that prevents a state or the federal government from creating a law that making killing a non-human animal murder?
     
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    Republicans won't be satisfied until women are tied to their beds as soon as they are determined to be pregnant and then forced to give birth no matter what their desires are in the matter.

    Of course, once the kid is born they are on their own.
     
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