20 week Abortion act Passes House of Reps.

[miketx]

The President will sign it but blood lust Democrats/Rino's, that's doubtful...

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Washington (CNN)The House of Representatives passed legislation Tuesday that would criminalize abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy, with exceptions for instances where the life of the mother is at risk and in cases involving rape or incest.

The bill passed the House by a vote of 237 for and 189 against, largely on party lines.
The Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act, which is similar to legislation that failed in 2013and 2015, has support from the White House this time around.


House passes ban on abortion after 20 weeks - CNNPolitics

Democrats will be deeply upset that they can no longer butcher unborn children.

Republicans won't be satisfied until women are tied to their beds as soon as they are determined to be pregnant and then forced to give birth no matter what their desires are in the matter.

Of course, once the kid is born they are on their own.

And they need to give birth quietly and without medical care paid for by others.

Nice to hear from compassionate fascists.

 

[bendog]

The President will sign it but blood lust Democrats/Rino's, that's doubtful...

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Washington (CNN)The House of Representatives passed legislation Tuesday that would criminalize abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy, with exceptions for instances where the life of the mother is at risk and in cases involving rape or incest.

The bill passed the House by a vote of 237 for and 189 against, largely on party lines.
The Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act, which is similar to legislation that failed in 2013and 2015, has support from the White House this time around.


House passes ban on abortion after 20 weeks - CNNPolitics

Democrats will be deeply upset that they can no longer butcher unborn children.

Republicans won't be satisfied until women are tied to their beds as soon as they are determined to be pregnant and then forced to give birth no matter what their desires are in the matter.

Of course, once the kid is born they are on their own.

And they need to give birth quietly and without medical care paid for by others.

Nice to hear from compassionate fascists.

yeah, I'm fascist in not telling women what to do. LOL

 

[miketx]

The President will sign it but blood lust Democrats/Rino's, that's doubtful...

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Washington (CNN)The House of Representatives passed legislation Tuesday that would criminalize abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy, with exceptions for instances where the life of the mother is at risk and in cases involving rape or incest.

The bill passed the House by a vote of 237 for and 189 against, largely on party lines.
The Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act, which is similar to legislation that failed in 2013and 2015, has support from the White House this time around.


House passes ban on abortion after 20 weeks - CNNPolitics

Democrats will be deeply upset that they can no longer butcher unborn children.

Republicans won't be satisfied until women are tied to their beds as soon as they are determined to be pregnant and then forced to give birth no matter what their desires are in the matter.

Of course, once the kid is born they are on their own.

And they need to give birth quietly and without medical care paid for by others.

Nice to hear from compassionate fascists.

yeah, I'm fascist in not telling women what to do. LOL

Liberals, always saying something stupid and then denying it with charming little middle school word play.

 

[Borillar]

The President will sign it but blood lust Democrats/Rino's, that's doubtful...

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Washington (CNN)The House of Representatives passed legislation Tuesday that would criminalize abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy, with exceptions for instances where the life of the mother is at risk and in cases involving rape or incest.

The bill passed the House by a vote of 237 for and 189 against, largely on party lines.
The Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act, which is similar to legislation that failed in 2013and 2015, has support from the White House this time around.


House passes ban on abortion after 20 weeks - CNNPolitics

Democrats will be deeply upset that they can no longer butcher unborn children.

Republicans won't be satisfied until women are tied to their beds as soon as they are determined to be pregnant and then forced to give birth no matter what their desires are in the matter.

Of course, once the kid is born they are on their own.

And they need to give birth quietly and without medical care paid for by others.

Nice to hear from compassionate fascists.

Yeah, you're the ones wanting to control every aspect of women's reproductive health, but we're the fascists. LOL.

 

[Montrovant]

Have any convictions been overturned based on the argument that the fetus is not a person? Has the USSC upheld any such judgement and said that the fetal homicide law in questions makes fetuses persons under the 14th amendment? I'm guessing the answer is no. Certainly, a number of courts have upheld fetal homicide laws, while still accepting legal abortion. Here are some examples: Constitutional Challenges to Unborn Victims (Fetal Homicide) Laws | National Right to Life
Of particular instance is the Georgia case from that site, in which: The courts at various levels seem to agree that fetal homicide laws, and treating a fetus as a person when it comes to murder charges, is acceptable while Roe v Wade still stands. You may disagree with their reasoning (I disagree with it to some extent myself), but it is clearly there.

Does the US Constitution give the govt. the authority. . .

A thread you created on this site does not alter any court rulings. Right now, in the US, abortion is legal, and fetal homicide laws are constitutional, at the same time. A fetus can be considered a person in a state or even federal criminal law while not being considered a person with full 14th amendment protections.

Thanks for helping me make the point of how important Trumps replacement of fucktardz like Ginsburg will be.

Assuming Ginsburg retires or passes before Trump is done with his presidency, it could be a huge deal. Trump appointing possible justices in no way guarantees a reversal of Roe v Wade, though.

Convictions under our growing numbers of fetal homicide laws will continue on (likely from now on)

Imagine a person convicted of MURDER under one of those laws - getting the appeal for their conviction in front of a SCOTUS that sees the same UNACCEPTABLE contradictions in the laws that I have pointed out.

Do you think they would sooner overturn our more than 30 more recent Fetal Homicide laws, or Roe?

I would hope they would rather do whatever they consider to be the legally correct thing, regardless of which they would "rather" do. However, you could as easily phrase it like this: Do you think they would sooner overturn the recent fetal homicide laws, or the long-standing Roe v Wade, which has a ton of judicial precedent behind it?

And I'll point out Webster v Reproductive Health Services as a Supreme Court case in which the court ruled that states can protect unborn children so long as it does not affect abortion protections of Roe v Wade. Webster v. Reproductive Health Services

The preamble does not, by its terms, regulate abortions or any other aspect of appellees' medical practice, and § 1.205.2 can be interpreted to do no more than offer protections to unborn children in tort and probate law, which is permissible under Roe v. Wade, supra, at 161-162.

Again, the court seems to have decided that statutes regarding fetal protections or personhood are acceptable so long as they do not affect abortion as covered by Roe. While a different court makeup might change that, it would be going against precedent, which can be difficult. And at this point, there is no way to know if the next USSC justice will be appointed during a Republican/conservative majority or a Democrat/liberal one. *And as an aside, it's too bad that those are the only two possibilities*

 

[miketx]

The President will sign it but blood lust Democrats/Rino's, that's doubtful...

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Washington (CNN)The House of Representatives passed legislation Tuesday that would criminalize abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy, with exceptions for instances where the life of the mother is at risk and in cases involving rape or incest.

The bill passed the House by a vote of 237 for and 189 against, largely on party lines.
The Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act, which is similar to legislation that failed in 2013and 2015, has support from the White House this time around.


House passes ban on abortion after 20 weeks - CNNPolitics

Democrats will be deeply upset that they can no longer butcher unborn children.

Republicans won't be satisfied until women are tied to their beds as soon as they are determined to be pregnant and then forced to give birth no matter what their desires are in the matter.

Of course, once the kid is born they are on their own.

And they need to give birth quietly and without medical care paid for by others.

Nice to hear from compassionate fascists.

Yeah, you're the ones wanting to control every aspect of women's reproductive health, but we're the fascists. LOL.

Another lie. All I want people to do is stop killing babies for no reason other than they were irresponsible.

 

[Timmy]

Democrats will be deeply upset that they can no longer butcher unborn children.

Republicans won't be satisfied until women are tied to their beds as soon as they are determined to be pregnant and then forced to give birth no matter what their desires are in the matter.

Of course, once the kid is born they are on their own.

And they need to give birth quietly and without medical care paid for by others.

Nice to hear from compassionate fascists.

Yeah, you're the ones wanting to control every aspect of women's reproductive health, but we're the fascists. LOL.

Another lie. All I want people to do is stop killing babies for no reason other than they were irresponsible.

A zygote is not a baby .

And spare us the moral lecture from the pro death penalty crowd .

 

[miketx]

Republicans won't be satisfied until women are tied to their beds as soon as they are determined to be pregnant and then forced to give birth no matter what their desires are in the matter.

Of course, once the kid is born they are on their own.

And they need to give birth quietly and without medical care paid for by others.

Nice to hear from compassionate fascists.

Yeah, you're the ones wanting to control every aspect of women's reproductive health, but we're the fascists. LOL.

Another lie. All I want people to do is stop killing babies for no reason other than they were irresponsible.

A zygote is not a baby .

And spare us the moral lecture from the pro death penalty crowd .

And you are not human, as you have proven time and again.

 

[JimBowie1958]

A zygote is not a baby .
And spare us the moral lecture from the pro death penalty crowd .

"Jews are not human." <- prominent socialists in Europe 80 years ago."
"Kulaks are not human." <- prominent socialists in Europe 80 years ago.

Why do leftists seem to think that they can rob people of their humanity by applying a new word to them other than people/baby/human being?

 

[bendog]

Democrats will be deeply upset that they can no longer butcher unborn children.

Republicans won't be satisfied until women are tied to their beds as soon as they are determined to be pregnant and then forced to give birth no matter what their desires are in the matter.

Of course, once the kid is born they are on their own.

And they need to give birth quietly and without medical care paid for by others.

Nice to hear from compassionate fascists.

Yeah, you're the ones wanting to control every aspect of women's reproductive health, but we're the fascists. LOL.

Another lie. All I want people to do is stop killing babies for no reason other than they were irresponsible.

You want to control women's bodies to force them to carry to term, assuming spontaneous abortion does not ensue, a zygote that cannot exist outside the body.

 

[bendog]

A zygote is not a baby .
And spare us the moral lecture from the pro death penalty crowd .

"Jews are not human." <- prominent socialists in Europe 80 years ago."
"Kulaks are not human." <- prominent socialists in Europe 80 years ago.

Why do leftists seem to think that they can rob people of their humanity by applying a new word to them other than people/baby/human being?

Why do you ignore the constitution and US history?

 

[miketx]

Republicans won't be satisfied until women are tied to their beds as soon as they are determined to be pregnant and then forced to give birth no matter what their desires are in the matter.

Of course, once the kid is born they are on their own.

And they need to give birth quietly and without medical care paid for by others.

Nice to hear from compassionate fascists.

Yeah, you're the ones wanting to control every aspect of women's reproductive health, but we're the fascists. LOL.

Another lie. All I want people to do is stop killing babies for no reason other than they were irresponsible.

You want to control women's bodies to force them to carry to term, assuming spontaneous abortion does not ensue, a zygote that cannot exist outside the body.

The term "responsible" means nothing to liberals.

 

[miketx]

A zygote is not a baby .
And spare us the moral lecture from the pro death penalty crowd .

"Jews are not human." <- prominent socialists in Europe 80 years ago."
"Kulaks are not human." <- prominent socialists in Europe 80 years ago.

Why do leftists seem to think that they can rob people of their humanity by applying a new word to them other than people/baby/human being?

Why do you ignore the constitution and US history?

Why do you want to murder babies?

 

[JimBowie1958]

A zygote is not a baby .
And spare us the moral lecture from the pro death penalty crowd .

"Jews are not human." <- prominent socialists in Europe 80 years ago."
"Kulaks are not human." <- prominent socialists in Europe 80 years ago.

Why do leftists seem to think that they can rob people of their humanity by applying a new word to them other than people/baby/human being?

Why do you ignore the constitution and US history?

Why do you eat shit sandwiches?

 

[Timmy]

A zygote is not a baby .
And spare us the moral lecture from the pro death penalty crowd .

"Jews are not human." <- prominent socialists in Europe 80 years ago."
"Kulaks are not human." <- prominent socialists in Europe 80 years ago.

Why do leftists seem to think that they can rob people of their humanity by applying a new word to them other than people/baby/human being?

Aren't you pro death penalty .

 

[bendog]

Well I have to give you assholes credit for at least being honest that what you advocate is just not letting women have any choice to abort no matter how soon after conception the choice may be, and being down to that argument return to name calling. At least the issue is clear. LOL

 

[irosie91]

Exceptions for rape or incest completely ruin the argument about a fetus being a human being with constitutional rights, IMO. If you believe that it is a child being murdered, how can it matter if the child was created through rape or incest?

I do not think the law can ask its citizens to bear loads that are too great, and these two cases may easily be such, and so the decision is left to the mother.

I would limit abortion legally to the first trimester as soon as the lungs, brain and heart are functioning; the inverse of how we determine the point of the death of a person.

what do you call "functioning"? The lungs are not actually
functioning in the first trimester-----but the brain is identifiable as a brain and the heart is actually functioning. Your description of "how we determine the point of death"----is kinda outdated

 

[miketx]

Well I have to give you assholes credit for at least being honest that what you advocate is just not letting women have any choice to abort no matter how soon after conception the choice may be, and being down to that argument return to name calling. At least the issue is clear. LOL

You keep repeating the same lie about what no one has said, in hopes that your feeble minded attempt will empower the brain dead liberals you attempt to impress.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Aren't you pro death penalty .

Yes, as some crimes are so heinous that death is the only suitable just response.

It is because human life is so sacred that murder must be balanced with the execution of the murderer.

 

[Coyote]

The irony is there are only two internally consistent positions if you are pro life.

Abortion can only be legal if the mothers life is endangered.

Anti death penalty and anti abortion.