20 week Abortion act Passes House of Reps.

[Coyote]

Aren't you pro death penalty .

Yes, as some crimes are so heinous that death is the only suitable just response.

It is because human life is so sacred that murder must be balanced with the execution of the murderer.

Yet many innocent people end up on death row.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Aren't you pro death penalty .

Yes, as some crimes are so heinous that death is the only suitable just response.

It is because human life is so sacred that murder must be balanced with the execution of the murderer.

Yet many innocent people end up on death row.

While we would like to think that we can punish people with 100% accuracy, we truly cannot.

Punishing the innocent along with the guilty is a trade off that societies have accepted to varying degrees for millenia.

 

[Montrovant]

A zygote is not a baby .
And spare us the moral lecture from the pro death penalty crowd .

"Jews are not human." <- prominent socialists in Europe 80 years ago."
"Kulaks are not human." <- prominent socialists in Europe 80 years ago.

Why do leftists seem to think that they can rob people of their humanity by applying a new word to them other than people/baby/human being?

Except a zygote can be human and still not be a baby.

That's more of a semantics argument really. The more important argument would be the differences between a zygote and an infant, or a zygote and a fetus at a later stage of development, things like that. A zygote is a single cell that is formed from the joining of a sperm with an ovum. While a stage of human development, it is vastly different from an infant or even a fetus. Whether someone believes that a fertilized egg deserves the same protections as a person who has been born or not, I don't think it's hard to see the argument that a zygote is different from an infant or even a fetus.

George Carlin is an odd choice for a quote in an abortion discussion if you are opposed to abortion.

 

[Chuz Life]

Republicans won't be satisfied until women are tied to their beds as soon as they are determined to be pregnant and then forced to give birth no matter what their desires are in the matter.

Of course, once the kid is born they are on their own.

And they need to give birth quietly and without medical care paid for by others.

Nice to hear from compassionate fascists.

Yeah, you're the ones wanting to control every aspect of women's reproductive health, but we're the fascists. LOL.

Another lie. All I want people to do is stop killing babies for no reason other than they were irresponsible.

A zygote is not a baby .

And spare us the moral lecture from the pro death penalty crowd .

If you want to claim that a person, human being, child or baby in the zygote stage of their life is anything other than what they are?

The ignorance is on you.

Furthermore, your ignorance has already been defeated by the more than 30 fetal homicide laws already on the books which legally DEFINE a "child in the womb" AS a child and as a human being in ANY stage of development.

 

[Chuz Life]

A zygote is not a baby .
And spare us the moral lecture from the pro death penalty crowd .

"Jews are not human." <- prominent socialists in Europe 80 years ago."
"Kulaks are not human." <- prominent socialists in Europe 80 years ago.

Why do leftists seem to think that they can rob people of their humanity by applying a new word to them other than people/baby/human being?

Except a zygote can be human and still not be a baby.

That's more of a semantics argument really. The more important argument would be the differences between a zygote and an infant, or a zygote and a fetus at a later stage of development, things like that. A zygote is a single cell that is formed from the joining of a sperm with an ovum. While a stage of human development, it is vastly different from an infant or even a fetus. Whether someone believes that a fertilized egg deserves the same protections as a person who has been born or not, I don't think it's hard to see the argument that a zygote is different from an infant or even a fetus.

George Carlin is an odd choice for a quote in an abortion discussion if you are opposed to abortion.

Fascism is never more clearly illustrated than when one human being or group of human beings looks at another and declares that because they are not like "me" they are lesser being and unworthy of even the most basic of human rights.

 

[Chuz Life]

The irony is there are only two internally consistent positions if you are pro life.

Abortion can only be legal if the mothers life is endangered.

Anti death penalty and anti abortion.

That works great. . .

So long as we leave out the whole guilt vs. Innocent until proven guilty aspect, that is.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The irony is there are only two internally consistent positions if you are pro life.

Abortion can only be legal if the mothers life is endangered.

Anti death penalty and anti abortion.

The Death penalty for murder is internally consistent.

 

[bendog]

And they need to give birth quietly and without medical care paid for by others.

Nice to hear from compassionate fascists.

Yeah, you're the ones wanting to control every aspect of women's reproductive health, but we're the fascists. LOL.

Another lie. All I want people to do is stop killing babies for no reason other than they were irresponsible.

A zygote is not a baby .

And spare us the moral lecture from the pro death penalty crowd .

If you want to claim that a person, human being, child or baby in the zygote stage of their life is anything other than what they are?

The ignorance is on you.

Furthermore, your ignorance has already been defeated by the more than 30 fetal homicide laws already on the books which legally DEFINE a "child in the womb" AS a child and as a human being in ANY stage of development.

I may have erred in including you with the name callers, and if I did, I'm sorry.

But the homicide laws do not have anything to do with abortion, with must balance competing interests of women and potential life. Abortion is an issue without a definitive answer. It is unfortunate that those on the extreme right oppose using non-invasive early term interventions that do not do any violence to anything remotely resembling a human being.

 

[Borillar]

Democrats will be deeply upset that they can no longer butcher unborn children.

Republicans won't be satisfied until women are tied to their beds as soon as they are determined to be pregnant and then forced to give birth no matter what their desires are in the matter.

Of course, once the kid is born they are on their own.

And they need to give birth quietly and without medical care paid for by others.

Nice to hear from compassionate fascists.

Yeah, you're the ones wanting to control every aspect of women's reproductive health, but we're the fascists. LOL.

Another lie. All I want people to do is stop killing babies for no reason other than they were irresponsible.

Nobody is killing "babies". They are terminating pregnancies, at which point, it is a fetus. As for responsibility, they ARE taking responsibility in not bringing another unwanted person into being. They may be unable to care for it or unfit to care for it. The fetus may have serious birth defects that the prospective parents are unequipped to deal with. We just want the choice to be left to the prospective parents and their doctor. You apparently think that children belong to the state, or at least think the state should be the final arbiter of human reproduction.

 

[miketx]

Republicans won't be satisfied until women are tied to their beds as soon as they are determined to be pregnant and then forced to give birth no matter what their desires are in the matter.

Of course, once the kid is born they are on their own.

And they need to give birth quietly and without medical care paid for by others.

Nice to hear from compassionate fascists.

Yeah, you're the ones wanting to control every aspect of women's reproductive health, but we're the fascists. LOL.

Another lie. All I want people to do is stop killing babies for no reason other than they were irresponsible.

Nobody is killing "babies". They are terminating pregnancies, at which point, it is a fetus. As for responsibility, they ARE taking responsibility in not bringing another unwanted person into being. They may be unable to care for it or unfit to care for it. The fetus may have serious birth defects that the prospective parents are unequipped to deal with. We just want the choice to be left to the prospective parents and their doctor. You apparently think that children belong to the state, or at least think the state should be the final arbiter of human reproduction.

You are killing babies. Period. Take responsibility before you murder it.

 

[Montrovant]

A zygote is not a baby .
And spare us the moral lecture from the pro death penalty crowd .

"Jews are not human." <- prominent socialists in Europe 80 years ago."
"Kulaks are not human." <- prominent socialists in Europe 80 years ago.

Why do leftists seem to think that they can rob people of their humanity by applying a new word to them other than people/baby/human being?

Except a zygote can be human and still not be a baby.

That's more of a semantics argument really. The more important argument would be the differences between a zygote and an infant, or a zygote and a fetus at a later stage of development, things like that. A zygote is a single cell that is formed from the joining of a sperm with an ovum. While a stage of human development, it is vastly different from an infant or even a fetus. Whether someone believes that a fertilized egg deserves the same protections as a person who has been born or not, I don't think it's hard to see the argument that a zygote is different from an infant or even a fetus.

George Carlin is an odd choice for a quote in an abortion discussion if you are opposed to abortion.

Fascism is never more clearly illustrated than when one human being or group of human beings looks at another and declares that because they are not like "me" they are lesser being and unworthy of even the most basic of human rights.

Let me present an odd hypothetical: You are in a home where a fire has broken out. You only have time to quickly pick something up and run out. There are 2 zygotes inside of coolers which are alive, and there are 2 infants. You cannot carry all of them, you can only pick up 2. Would you have a difficult time deciding?

Obviously that is a ridiculous scenario, but I use it only to highlight that I think the vast majority of people place a different value on a zygote and an infant. A zygote is a single cell. It has no heart, no brain, no organs at all. It has no body. It is a single cell. You may consider a zygote equal to a fetus, equal to an infant, equal to a child, equal to an adult. That's your prerogative. I don't think it's likely that you will convince most people that a zygote is equal to a human being at all stages of development, though. I certainly can't imagine placing the same value on a single cell that I do an adult or an infant.

 

[JoeMoma]

A zygote is not a baby .
And spare us the moral lecture from the pro death penalty crowd .

"Jews are not human." <- prominent socialists in Europe 80 years ago."
"Kulaks are not human." <- prominent socialists in Europe 80 years ago.

Why do leftists seem to think that they can rob people of their humanity by applying a new word to them other than people/baby/human being?

Except a zygote can be human and still not be a baby.

That's more of a semantics argument really. The more important argument would be the differences between a zygote and an infant, or a zygote and a fetus at a later stage of development, things like that. A zygote is a single cell that is formed from the joining of a sperm with an ovum. While a stage of human development, it is vastly different from an infant or even a fetus. Whether someone believes that a fertilized egg deserves the same protections as a person who has been born or not, I don't think it's hard to see the argument that a zygote is different from an infant or even a fetus.

George Carlin is an odd choice for a quote in an abortion discussion if you are opposed to abortion.

And an infant is different than an adult.

 

[g5000]

Aren't you pro death penalty .

Yes, as some crimes are so heinous that death is the only suitable just response.

It is because human life is so sacred that murder must be balanced with the execution of the murderer.

Yet many innocent people end up on death row.

While we would like to think that we can punish people with 100% accuracy, we truly cannot.

Punishing the innocent along with the guilty is a trade off that societies have accepted to varying degrees for millenia.

That is so fucking wrong, it is amazing you consider yourself an American.

America lives by the credo that better ten guilty men go free than one innocent person be punished.

 

[Borillar]

And they need to give birth quietly and without medical care paid for by others.

Nice to hear from compassionate fascists.

Yeah, you're the ones wanting to control every aspect of women's reproductive health, but we're the fascists. LOL.

Another lie. All I want people to do is stop killing babies for no reason other than they were irresponsible.

Nobody is killing "babies". They are terminating pregnancies, at which point, it is a fetus. As for responsibility, they ARE taking responsibility in not bringing another unwanted person into being. They may be unable to care for it or unfit to care for it. The fetus may have serious birth defects that the prospective parents are unequipped to deal with. We just want the choice to be left to the prospective parents and their doctor. You apparently think that children belong to the state, or at least think the state should be the final arbiter of human reproduction.

You are killing babies. Period. Take responsibility before you murder it.

How about you worry about yours and I'll worry about mine?

 

[JoeMoma]

Aren't you pro death penalty .

Yes, as some crimes are so heinous that death is the only suitable just response.

It is because human life is so sacred that murder must be balanced with the execution of the murderer.

Yet many innocent people end up on death row.

While we would like to think that we can punish people with 100% accuracy, we truly cannot.

Punishing the innocent along with the guilty is a trade off that societies have accepted to varying degrees for millenia.

That is so fucking wrong, it is amazing you consider yourself an American.

America lives by the credo that better ten guilty men go free than one innocent person be punished.

How far do you carry that......better that 1000 guilty men go free than one innocent person be punished?

 

[Borillar]

Aren't you pro death penalty .

Yes, as some crimes are so heinous that death is the only suitable just response.

It is because human life is so sacred that murder must be balanced with the execution of the murderer.

Yet many innocent people end up on death row.

While we would like to think that we can punish people with 100% accuracy, we truly cannot.

Punishing the innocent along with the guilty is a trade off that societies have accepted to varying degrees for millenia.

That is so fucking wrong, it is amazing you consider yourself an American.

America lives by the credo that better ten guilty men go free than one innocent person be punished.

How far do you carry that......better that 1000 guilty men go free than one innocent person be punished?

How far do you carry it? Kill them all and let God sort it out?

 

[JoeMoma]

Yes, as some crimes are so heinous that death is the only suitable just response.

It is because human life is so sacred that murder must be balanced with the execution of the murderer.

Yet many innocent people end up on death row.

While we would like to think that we can punish people with 100% accuracy, we truly cannot.

Punishing the innocent along with the guilty is a trade off that societies have accepted to varying degrees for millenia.

That is so fucking wrong, it is amazing you consider yourself an American.

America lives by the credo that better ten guilty men go free than one innocent person be punished.

How far do you carry that......better that 1000 guilty men go free than one innocent person be punished?

How far do you carry it? Kill them all and let God sort it out?

You and I are part of "them all".

 

[Montrovant]

Aren't you pro death penalty .

Yes, as some crimes are so heinous that death is the only suitable just response.

It is because human life is so sacred that murder must be balanced with the execution of the murderer.

Yet many innocent people end up on death row.

While we would like to think that we can punish people with 100% accuracy, we truly cannot.

Punishing the innocent along with the guilty is a trade off that societies have accepted to varying degrees for millenia.

That is so fucking wrong, it is amazing you consider yourself an American.

America lives by the credo that better ten guilty men go free than one innocent person be punished.

I don't think America lives by that credo. Some may want to, but that doesn't seem to be the reality of our justice system.

 

[JimBowie1958]

While we would like to think that we can punish people with 100% accuracy, we truly cannot.
Punishing the innocent along with the guilty is a trade off that societies have accepted to varying degrees for millenia.

That is so fucking wrong, it is amazing you consider yourself an American.
America lives by the credo that better ten guilty men go free than one innocent person be punished.

I don't think America lives by that credo. Some may want to, but that doesn't seem to be the reality of our justice system.

I dont think G5000 grasps my meaning entirely, but thats OK.

God's love to him anyway, lol.

 

[Chuz Life]

Republicans won't be satisfied until women are tied to their beds as soon as they are determined to be pregnant and then forced to give birth no matter what their desires are in the matter.

Of course, once the kid is born they are on their own.

And they need to give birth quietly and without medical care paid for by others.

Nice to hear from compassionate fascists.

Yeah, you're the ones wanting to control every aspect of women's reproductive health, but we're the fascists. LOL.

Another lie. All I want people to do is stop killing babies for no reason other than they were irresponsible.

Nobody is killing "babies". They are terminating pregnancies, at which point, it is a fetus. As for responsibility, they ARE taking responsibility in not bringing another unwanted person into being. They may be unable to care for it or unfit to care for it. The fetus may have serious birth defects that the prospective parents are unequipped to deal with. We just want the choice to be left to the prospective parents and their doctor. You apparently think that children belong to the state, or at least think the state should be the final arbiter of human reproduction.

Again, your denials have already been defeated. Your side lost. Our fetal homicide laws already define and recognize "children in the womb" in ANY STAGE of development as human beings.

Now, you can gripe, complain, both and moan about it all you might want to. ... but unless and until you convince lawmakers to change that definition, you can rest assured that prolifers and antiaborts like me are going to USE that definition to further challenge Roe.