20 week Abortion act Passes House of Reps.

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    Sorry, it was not obvious to me. I thought you were talking about the kind of functionality that would allow the fetus to survive outside of the womb. I'm not entirely sure why lungs which have not developed enough for actual breathing would be a particularly important developmental stage. :dunno:
     
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    I'm as conservative as can be but I've been for free birth control and after morning pills to PREVENT abortion. Anything to keep a woman from having to make the choice of an abortion.
     
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    Keep in mind that personhood does not have to be an all-encompassing thing. It's entirely possible for the court to consider personhood as understood by the 14th amendment to be different than personhood as understood by a state's fetal homicide laws.

    This work provides some interesting argument that fetal person designations are similar to corporate person designations, and does not make them persons under the 14th.

    http://scholarlycommons.law.case.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1334&context=caselrev
     
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    I agree with you.

    If this legislation passes and I'm not so sure about the Senate, everyone would be unhappy with it on both sides of the issue but hopefully all could eventually accept that it's a reasonable move in the right direction .
     
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    That’s 14 weeks after normal brain activity starts.

    Yet the left want them dead at any cost.
     
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    When our fetal Homicide laws make it a crime of MURDER to kill a child in the womb. . . The personhood of the victim is being established by that charge. MURDER has a very clear legal definition of one person killing another person in a criminal act.

    What other aspect of personhood would Trump that , in your view?

    I submit that any law which says it's a crime of MURDER to kill it in ANY one set of circumstances means that it is a person in that respect in ANY and all other circumstances.

    Personhood is not a switch that can be simply arbitrarily switched off and on with legislation.

    There is a reason no one can be charged with MURDER for killing a corporation and they can be charged with MURDER for killing a child in the womb.

    One is a human being and the other is not.
     
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    Except when combined with other factors that are currently at play making abortions more difficult in red states especially. Mandetory wait times necessitating multiple visits, closure of clinics due to prohibitive and arbritary legal standards, forcing women travel hundreds of miles, etc. Also...how do they count 5 months?
     
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    I said commitment should be questioned. Not rights.
     
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    Thing is...all those factors could nake it more difficult to do it in the timeframe. If this should be a reasonable law then we should also remove all the barriers that prevent women from getting abortions.
     
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    But there is more to the question how best to provide abortion services than simply maximizing the availability of the service.

    1) Abortion clinics should still meet the same rigorous standards any other clinic does.

    2) The decision of the patient to be fully informed is paramount, so standards as to what that information is and how it is to be conveyed are as important as availability of the abortion.

    3) The lives of the unborn should be protected if they are deemed to be individual people by law, and so constraints should be applied at the state level as soon as the Roe v Wade nonsense is remedied.
     
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