17.6 million Americans gained health insurance through law

[Iceweasel]

Obama’s Health Care Boasts
President Barack Obama made misleading and exaggerated claims in a speech boasting of the accomplishments of the Affordable Care Act.

• Obama claimed that those who already had insurance before the law was passed “got a better deal now” than they did before, because of insurance coverage protections and requirements in the law. But those added benefits came at a higher cost for some. Better coverage didn’t mean a “better deal” for everyone.
• The Web page promoting the speech claims that “129 million people who could have otherwise been denied or faced discrimination now have access to coverage.” But most of those individuals already had “access to coverage” — they got it through their employers before the ACA’s marketplaces were launched.
• Obama said the rate of the uninsured is at “its lowest level ever.” That’s unclear. His Council of Economic Advisers analyzed National Health Interview Survey data, which show the uninsured rate for the first nine months of 2014 (the most recent data available) was slightly higher than a few years several decades ago.
• The president said family premiums are “$1,800 lower today” on average than they would have been if premium trends that existed before the ACA had continued. It’s true premiums have increased more slowly in recent years than they did before the ACA, but even the president’s own economic advisers say the law isn’t responsible for the entire slowdown.

 

[daws101]

Obama’s Health Care Boasts
President Barack Obama made misleading and exaggerated claims in a speech boasting of the accomplishments of the Affordable Care Act.

• Obama claimed that those who already had insurance before the law was passed “got a better deal now” than they did before, because of insurance coverage protections and requirements in the law. But those added benefits came at a higher cost for some. Better coverage didn’t mean a “better deal” for everyone.
• The Web page promoting the speech claims that “129 million people who could have otherwise been denied or faced discrimination now have access to coverage.” But most of those individuals already had “access to coverage” — they got it through their employers before the ACA’s marketplaces were launched.
• Obama said the rate of the uninsured is at “its lowest level ever.” That’s unclear. His Council of Economic Advisers analyzed National Health Interview Survey data, which show the uninsured rate for the first nine months of 2014 (the most recent data available) was slightly higher than a few years several decades ago.
• The president said family premiums are “$1,800 lower today” on average than they would have been if premium trends that existed before the ACA had continued. It’s true premiums have increased more slowly in recent years than they did before the ACA, but even the president’s own economic advisers say the law isn’t responsible for the entire slowdown.

none of this supports your argument...

 

[Arianrhod]

Obama’s Health Care Boasts
President Barack Obama made misleading and exaggerated claims in a speech boasting of the accomplishments of the Affordable Care Act.

• Obama claimed that those who already had insurance before the law was passed “got a better deal now” than they did before, because of insurance coverage protections and requirements in the law. But those added benefits came at a higher cost for some. Better coverage didn’t mean a “better deal” for everyone.
• The Web page promoting the speech claims that “129 million people who could have otherwise been denied or faced discrimination now have access to coverage.” But most of those individuals already had “access to coverage” — they got it through their employers before the ACA’s marketplaces were launched.
• Obama said the rate of the uninsured is at “its lowest level ever.” That’s unclear. His Council of Economic Advisers analyzed National Health Interview Survey data, which show the uninsured rate for the first nine months of 2014 (the most recent data available) was slightly higher than a few years several decades ago.
• The president said family premiums are “$1,800 lower today” on average than they would have been if premium trends that existed before the ACA had continued. It’s true premiums have increased more slowly in recent years than they did before the ACA, but even the president’s own economic advisers say the law isn’t responsible for the entire slowdown.

Okay, now we're getting somewhere. It only took 261 posts for someone to present some data. And a lot of the data in that article contradict some of the talking points others have been spouting here.

However, the article you posted says nothing about the number of new insureds. That figure was released more recently than June 11th. But I'm sure you can find what you believe to be a more accurate number of new insureds with the same skill that you found the piece from The Wire. I'd encourage you to do so.

 

[Iceweasel]

Obama’s Health Care Boasts
President Barack Obama made misleading and exaggerated claims in a speech boasting of the accomplishments of the Affordable Care Act.

• Obama claimed that those who already had insurance before the law was passed “got a better deal now” than they did before, because of insurance coverage protections and requirements in the law. But those added benefits came at a higher cost for some. Better coverage didn’t mean a “better deal” for everyone.
• The Web page promoting the speech claims that “129 million people who could have otherwise been denied or faced discrimination now have access to coverage.” But most of those individuals already had “access to coverage” — they got it through their employers before the ACA’s marketplaces were launched.
• Obama said the rate of the uninsured is at “its lowest level ever.” That’s unclear. His Council of Economic Advisers analyzed National Health Interview Survey data, which show the uninsured rate for the first nine months of 2014 (the most recent data available) was slightly higher than a few years several decades ago.
• The president said family premiums are “$1,800 lower today” on average than they would have been if premium trends that existed before the ACA had continued. It’s true premiums have increased more slowly in recent years than they did before the ACA, but even the president’s own economic advisers say the law isn’t responsible for the entire slowdown.

Okay, now we're getting somewhere. It only took 261 posts for someone to present some data. And a lot of the data in that article contradict some of the talking points others have been spouting here.

However, the article you posted says nothing about the number of new insureds. That figure was released more recently than June 11th. But I'm sure you can find what you believe to be a more accurate number of new insureds with the same skill that you found the piece from The Wire. I'd encourage you to do so.

The article doesn't specifically mention those that lost health insurance either. Like I said, I'd encourage you to pull your head out of your ass.

 

[Arianrhod]

The article doesn't specifically mention those that lost health insurance either.

You're right. So why did you post it? It does raise some excellent points, and would make a good starting point for a new thread. But it does not say anything about the OP in this thread.

Would you like to start a new thread with that article? I think you should. It would make for some very good discussion.

 

[daws101]

Obama’s Health Care Boasts
President Barack Obama made misleading and exaggerated claims in a speech boasting of the accomplishments of the Affordable Care Act.

• Obama claimed that those who already had insurance before the law was passed “got a better deal now” than they did before, because of insurance coverage protections and requirements in the law. But those added benefits came at a higher cost for some. Better coverage didn’t mean a “better deal” for everyone.
• The Web page promoting the speech claims that “129 million people who could have otherwise been denied or faced discrimination now have access to coverage.” But most of those individuals already had “access to coverage” — they got it through their employers before the ACA’s marketplaces were launched.
• Obama said the rate of the uninsured is at “its lowest level ever.” That’s unclear. His Council of Economic Advisers analyzed National Health Interview Survey data, which show the uninsured rate for the first nine months of 2014 (the most recent data available) was slightly higher than a few years several decades ago.
• The president said family premiums are “$1,800 lower today” on average than they would have been if premium trends that existed before the ACA had continued. It’s true premiums have increased more slowly in recent years than they did before the ACA, but even the president’s own economic advisers say the law isn’t responsible for the entire slowdown.

Okay, now we're getting somewhere. It only took 261 posts for someone to present some data. And a lot of the data in that article contradict some of the talking points others have been spouting here.

However, the article you posted says nothing about the number of new insureds. That figure was released more recently than June 11th. But I'm sure you can find what you believe to be a more accurate number of new insureds with the same skill that you found the piece from The Wire. I'd encourage you to do so.

The article doesn't specifically mention those that lost health insurance either. Like I said, I'd encourage you to pull your head out of your ass.

On its face, this claim by the Daily Caller is wrong because the law included a significant expansion of Medicaid, which in just two months has added as many as 3.9 million people to its rolls. (Because of how states report the numbers, some may have already had coverage. Sean Trende at Real Clear Politics has also raised questions about the 3.9 million figure. Update: There are serious issues with the 3.9 million figure.) The article also incorrectly assumes that everyone whose plan did not meet Affordable Care Act standards but who did not sign up for a plan via the exchanges has been left without coverage.

In reality, many people who received notices that their plans were canceled were told they would be automatically enrolled into another plan by the same insurance company. (Here’s an example of such a letter, courtesy of our colleagues at PolitiFact.)

In other words, the person’s health plan was “canceled” but the person was not left “without coverage,” as the Daily Caller asserted. There likely was a seamless transition from one plan to the other, though the premiums might have increased because the ACA requires all plans to have the same basic level of benefits.


The GOP claim that more Americans have lost insurance than gained it under Obamacare

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Saying anyone got healthcare because of the ACA is like saying people got car insurance when they had to have it to drive. ACA didn't give anythign to anyone, it forced people to buy something they didn't have already but should have had if working.

Healthcare should be completely free. Either that or taxes should be slashed to compensate.

 

[Arianrhod]

Saying anyone got healthcare because of the ACA is like saying people got car insurance when they had to have it to drive.

No one's saying the PPACA is healthcare. It is *access* to *affordable health insurance*.

Why do so many here have trouble with that concept?

ACA didn't give anythign to anyone, it forced people to buy something they didn't have already but should have had if working.

Less than half of employers offer their employees health insurance. And that isn't something that suddenly happened with the implementation of the PPACA. It's been eroding for decades.

Healthcare should be completely free.

How do you imagine that would work?