Zelenskyy Calls for European Army to Deter Russia, Earn US Respect

[beagle9]

Well, he's right on this one. Europe should form their very own NATO that the US is not part of. It's their defense, not ours. But, we'd be glad to sell them the things they need.

Only problem with that line is WW3. Might not be involved, but the fall out would over take us.

 

[kyzr]

Well, he's right on this one. Europe should form their very own NATO that the US is not part of. It's their defense, not ours. But, we'd be glad to sell them the things they need.

Wrong. The EU is too disjointed to form a military.
Even they admit to needing America's "steel spine" to form up around.

Trump wants Ukraine's rare metals, so that means some type of military presence.

 

[kyzr]

Only problem with that line is WW3. Might not be involved, but the fall out would over take us.

Wouldn't be WW3. The EU would surrender to Putin without the US military.

 

[Independent thinker]

Wrong. The EU is too disjointed to form a military.
Even they admit to needing America's "steel spine" to form up around.

Trump wants Ukraine's rare metals, so that means some type of military presence.

Neither Russia or Ukraine will give us any rare metals. Ukraine will if Trump turns into Biden and that’s not happening.

 

[kyzr]

Neither Russia or Ukraine will give us any rare metals. Ukraine will if Trump turns into Biden and that’s not happening.

Z already signed off on the deal. So if Russia takes Ukraine no rare metals. Someone from NATO will be in Ukraine.

 

[Independent thinker]

Z already signed off on the deal. So if Russia takes Ukraine no rare metals. Someone from NATO will be in Ukraine.

I don't know the details of the so called deal but Trump will promote peace with Ukraine by ceding some territory to Russia. If that's a deal breaker then we get no metals. I can guarantee you that Trump is not going down the Biden rabbit hole. He wants to end the war, not finance the long term stalemate Biden was doing.

 

[justoffal]

He has the Irish & Germans so far

Oh great so half of them will be drunk and the other half gay.

 

[justoffal]

I don't know the details of the so called deal but Trump will promote peace with Ukraine by ceding some territory to Russia. If that's a deal breaker then we get no metals. I can guarantee you that Trump is not going down the Biden rabbit hole. He wants to end the war, not finance the long term stalemate Biden was doing.

Which means financing pockets of the boomerang bucks recipients over here.

I think zelensky knows he'll have to move.

 

[kyzr]

I don't know the details of the so called deal but Trump will promote peace with Ukraine by ceding some territory to Russia. If that's a deal breaker then we get no metals. I can guarantee you that Trump is not going down the Biden rabbit hole. He wants to end the war, not finance the long term stalemate Biden was doing.

Trump can tell Putin that he takes the deal or we force a boycott of Russian oil.

Checkmate.

 

[beagle9]

Z already signed off on the deal. So if Russia takes Ukraine no rare metals. Someone from NATO will be in Ukraine.

If Z did sign off on such a thing, then he has done what he's been doing all along, and that is that Z is trying his damnedest to get a stronger nation to fight Russia for him, and this is because he knows he's finished if he can't keep the pot sweetened like that.

Hopefully Trump realizes that he might be getting caught up in a trap, otherwise if the situation over there begins to turn into some kind of deal making bull chit like that. Such a thing could enrage the Russian people, because instead of truly searching for peace for both side's to agree upon, it ends up becoming the exploitation of a weak war torn nation that is ripe for a hired gun to strip the nation in theory of their natural resources for hire. It would be like being paid as hired killers for those resources.

We absolutely should not be dragged into such a situation, otherwise where Ukraine thinks that it can dangle a doggy treat in front of our nose, and we would then try to bite the leg off of who we are being fooled to go jump on because of that treat.

We aren't dog's, and Z isn't a dog handler.

 

[beagle9]

Trump can tell Putin that he takes the deal or we force a boycott of Russian oil.

Checkmate.

How can we force a boycott of Russian oil ? Are we that influential in the world these days ?

 

[Zavulon]

The little comedian wants a “ European army.”. Oddly that already exists in the form of European NATO countries.

I’m afraid that EU NATO doesn’t have the stomach to enter a war of attrition with Russia.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/zelensky-european-army/2025/02/15/id/1199209/

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy called on Saturday for the creation of a European army, saying the continent could no longer be sure of protection from the United States and would only get respect from Washington with a strong military.

Trump administration officials have made clear in recent days that they expect European allies in NATO to take primary responsibility for their own defense as the U.S. now had other priorities, such as border security and countering China.

It won't be a war of atriction to achieve a limited goal. It will be a war for elimination. And, comparing the number of Russian and European nukes, we can easily guess who will be eliminated.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

We're still waiting for that rapid reaction force that they were going to form 30 f****** years ago

 

[Zavulon]

President Biden built a global coalition to help Ukraine defeat Russia.

Of course no. There is no possible coalition able to defeat Russia and achieve declared European goals.

Trump is ready to give Putin everything he wants

Oh, no. I'm pretty sure he is not ready return Alaska and California to Russia (and even ready to use nukes to defend them), as well as Russia is not ready to give up Crimea and Novorussia. (Both prefer to use nukes rather than allow another side take those positions).

Russia wants to take Alaska and California, but not ready to pay even one million of Russians to take it back. The USA want to take Crimea and Novorussia but they don't want to pay even one million American lives for that. Russians want to keep NATO out of Ukraine and ready, if necessary, to pay more than 10 mln to ensafe it, and ready to pay any amount of lives (even 90% of population) to prevent "decolonisation of Russia".
Americans wants to keep Alaska and California in the USA (or, at least out of Shanghai block) and ready to pay even 10 mln lives to ensafe them. Americans, I believe, ready to pay any amount of lives (even 90% of their population) to prevent "decolonisation of America".

Both sides know it, both sides are good. Biden also knew that America isn't ready to raise bets to the level of nuclear war, and, therefore, America can't "defeat Russia" and force Russians leave Ukraine as well as Russians can't force Americans to leave California.

Biden's goal wasn't to win the war. He knew that it is impossible. His goal was just to steal some American taxpayers money (and, may be, after defeat of Ukraine just to get some Ukrainian refugees/militants to use them inside America).

 

[rightwinger]

Of course no. There is no possible coalition able to defeat Russia and achieve declared European goals.

Russia demonstrated their military is weak and their economy cannot sustain a lengthy occupation

A third rate military chased them away

 

[Zavulon]

Russia demonstrated their military is weak and their economy cannot sustain a lengthy occupation

Russia demonstrated that our military is strong, and they had already eliminated more than half of Banderlogs' mobilisation reserves, so they have to mobilize teenagers now. And there will be no "sustaining of lengthy occupation". All anti-Russian maggots will be killed in a year or two, and Ukraine will be a part of Russia again.

A third rate military chased them away

The whole freaking NATO alliance was forced to knee, gobble and swallow the fact, that Russian lives matter. So, you may swallow it and f#ck off, or you are going to get another lesson, without lubricant, right into your eurointegration hole.

 

[rightwinger]

Russia demonstrated that our military is strong, and they had already eliminated more than half of Banderlogs' mobilisation reserves, so they have to mobilize teenagers now. And there will be no "sustaining of lengthy occupation". All anti-Russian maggots will be killed in a year or two, and Ukraine will be a part of Russia again.


The whole freaking NATO alliance was forced to knee, gobble and swallow the fact, that Russian lives matter. So, you may swallow it and f#ck off, or you are going to get another lesson, without lubricant, right into your eurointegration hole.

NATO used to consider Russia a major threat
On paper, they looked formidable

In reality, they are poorly led, poorly trained, their equipment is poorly maintained, technology easily defeated and they still don’t understand logistics

 

[Zavulon]

NATO used to consider Russia a major threat
On paper, they looked formidable

In reality, they are poorly led, poorly trained, their equipment is poorly maintained, technology easily defeated and they still don’t understand logistics

And still we had easily beaten the best you send in Ukraine. How poor are you, then?

 

[luiza]

Europe can whistle .
In addition to Donbass , Russia already has almost full control over the Kharkov , Kherson , Zaporzhzhya and Dnipropetrovsk oblasts .
Around 70% of everything that is valuable under ground.

If it quickly takes the Poltava and Sumy regions, Putin will doubtless be well pleased with that end-result .

Nothing that anybody can do to prevent that, even though I suspect Moscow would dearly love to also make Odessa its own , if only for the extra ease of recovering Black Sea oil .

Right Winger's posts are twaddle . HE JUST WRITES FOR THE SAKE OF SCRIBBLING GARBAGE.
He has zero idea of how the conflict was waged or Why it was deliberately waged in the specific way it was .

 

[rightwinger]

And still we had easily beaten the best you send in Ukraine. How poor are you, then?

Actually, you haven’t

MLRS is giving you nightmares
Ukraine chased your Navy out of the Black Sea using just drones
They have wiped out your best tanks and you are salvaging Soviet era tanks
You have resorted to begging N Korea for military hardware