Trump to back ceding of Ukrainian territory to Russia as part of peace deal

Umm. They’ve been losing this war for 2 years now.
Considering that many (if not most) thought that Russia would have them wrapped up in 6 months...that's not a loss.
At best it’s a stalemate. It’s not funding that’s the problem. Minus a foreign military entering this conflict there is no scenario where Ukraine pushes the Russians out. There just isn’t.
The same thing was said about the American Revolution. The strategy the colonists had was to make the costs too high for the British to sustain the fight. The reason Putin is coming to Anchorage to meet with his poodle is, in part, because the war is costly. Otherwise he wouldn't be entertaining the blob.
 
“Details of post-summit call were leaked in which US president supports plan for Kyiv to give up Donbas region

Donald Trump will back a plan to cede unoccupied Ukrainian territory to Russia to secure an end to the war between the two countries, it was reported on Saturday, after details of his post-summit call with European leaders leaked out.

Trump told European leaders that he believed a peace deal could be negotiated if the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, agreed to give up the Donbas region, which Russian invaders have not been able to seize in over three years of fighting, the New York Times reported, citing to two senior European officials.

Two sources with direct knowledge of the talks in Alaska told the Guardian that Putin demanded Ukraine withdraw from Donbas, which is made up of the Donestk and Luhansk regions, as a condition for ending the war, but offered Trump a freeze along the remaining frontline.”


That Trump would stab Zelenskyy in the back comes as no surprise, of course, and reward the war criminal Putin.

Trump is also messaging to his fellow despots and dictators that might makes right, that war criminals who lawlessly invade sovereign countries will likewise be rewarded for their criminal acts.
Trump whines to Melania. "I WANT A PEACE PRIZE!"

Melania : "That's the only piece you are getting."
 
Considering that many (if not most) thought that Russia would have them wrapped up in 6 months...that's not a loss.
Except Russia essentially has what it wanted. Donbas and Luhansk. They have spent the last 18-24 months digging in and fortifying their position. Support for the war in Ukraine has cratered. The war is over.
The same thing was said about the American Revolution. The strategy the colonists had was to make the costs too high for the British to sustain the fight. The reason Putin is coming to Anchorage to meet with his poodle is, in part, because the war is costly. Otherwise he wouldn't be entertaining the blob.
Except that the British were an empire fighting a war a months travel from their home and fighting an insurgency. Russia is fighting next door has taken the areas it wanted and just has to defend them. And there is no insurgency. Most of the people where they are are Russian not Ukrainian.

Did I mention the people of Ukraine want a brokered peace?
 
No, this is a strawman you invented to justify your own, poor behavior.

You will literally just makes shit up, say it to yourself, and believe it.

Pretty childish.
Gibberish. You have yet to make a salient point on the subject. Why is the reason for the Russian NK alliance pertinent to the conflict in Ukraine?
 
“Details of post-summit call were leaked in which US president supports plan for Kyiv to give up Donbas region

Donald Trump will back a plan to cede unoccupied Ukrainian territory to Russia to secure an end to the war between the two countries, it was reported on Saturday, after details of his post-summit call with European leaders leaked out.

Trump told European leaders that he believed a peace deal could be negotiated if the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, agreed to give up the Donbas region, which Russian invaders have not been able to seize in over three years of fighting, the New York Times reported, citing to two senior European officials.

Two sources with direct knowledge of the talks in Alaska told the Guardian that Putin demanded Ukraine withdraw from Donbas, which is made up of the Donestk and Luhansk regions, as a condition for ending the war, but offered Trump a freeze along the remaining frontline.”


That Trump would stab Zelenskyy in the back comes as no surprise, of course, and reward the war criminal Putin.

Trump is also messaging to his fellow despots and dictators that might makes right, that war criminals who lawlessly invade sovereign countries will likewise be rewarded for their criminal acts.
C. Clayton Jones was right there in the room at the negotiating table.
 
Except Russia essentially has what it wanted. Donbas and Luhansk. They have spent the last 18-24 months digging in and fortifying their position. Support for the war in Ukraine has cratered. The war is over.
Yet somehow they're still fighting. Go figure.
Except that the British were an empire fighting a war a months travel from their home and fighting an insurgency. Russia is fighting next door has taken the areas it wanted and just has to defend them. And there is no insurgency. Most of the people where they are are Russian not Ukrainian.

Did I mention the people of Ukraine want a brokered peace?
Quite an imagination you have there.

No the big difference is that Putin has more of a firm grip on Russia than George had on England and other wars to consider.
 
No he did not... the first thing he should have done was to send a team over to at least see what the beef was... we still don't really know what the trigger was...
Biden wanted this war... I don't know if he thought it would help our economy or what... but the man or the Obamaautopen wanted this war....
Biden didn't want this war. He needed this war. Money poured into Ukraine. We paid salaries and pensions. In return Zelensky made generous contributions to the DNC. Ukrainian industry invested in Hunter Biden's art works.
 
bhhnn n jmmmm.webp
 
Yet somehow they're still fighting. Go figure.
The front hasnt moved significantly in almost 3 years. Support for this war has cratered IN Ukraine. So while you support a bunch more Ukrainians dying because "Putin Bad", "Trump Bad", the people actually doing the dying dont.
Quite an imagination you have there.

No the big difference is that Putin has more of a firm grip on Russia than George had on England and other wars to consider.

Let's just assume you are correct. That the big difference between the US revolution and this war is that Putin's a bigger dictator than the king of England... So what. That doesn't change the reality on the ground. It doesn't change that the Ukrainians not only aren't winning this war but that they aren't interested in fighting it anymore to try either. It doesn't change that US interests aren't being served by continuing to support it.
 
The front hasnt moved significantly in almost 3 years. Support for this war has cratered IN Ukraine. So while you support a bunch more Ukrainians dying because "Putin Bad", "Trump Bad", the people actually doing the dying dont.
So 3 years of fighting and the support has cratered to you?
Let's just assume you are correct. That the big difference between the US revolution and this war is that Putin's a bigger dictator than the king of England... So what. That doesn't change the reality on the ground. It doesn't change that the Ukrainians not only aren't winning this war but that they aren't interested in fighting it anymore to try either. It doesn't change that US interests aren't being served by continuing to support it.
Your assessment is hilarious. Otherwise the Russians would be in Kiev.

Run along boy...
 
So 3 years of fighting and the support has cratered to you?

Umm yeah.


I know it's only 70% of the population wants a brokered settlement.,....


Your assessment is hilarious. Otherwise the Russians would be in Kiev.

Run along boy...

WTF are you talking about? The Ukrainians stopped Russia from taking Kiev long before the West pumped all this money and weapons into the region (on the scale we did post the war starting) The stalemate happened before the funding, weapons and training got to the guys doing the actual fighting.

You're just wrong. You're just a war monger. You're support for this war is based solely on Trump's opposition to it.
 
Biden didn't want this war. He needed this war. Money poured into Ukraine. We paid salaries and pensions. In return Zelensky made generous contributions to the DNC. Ukrainian industry invested in Hunter Biden's art works.
So did our weapons manufacturers.... by donating bucks to democrats they have turned dems into forever warhawks... the constant quest for money has brought the democrat party to where it is today... on the brink of extinction....
 
So did our weapons manufacturers.... by donating bucks to democrats they have turned dems into forever warhawks... the constant quest for money has brought the democrat party to where it is today... on the brink of extinction....
They need to be made extinct before they destroy the entire country.
 
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With our tax dollars.

That's how USAID ngo monies worked.

Trump killed USAID and now the Dems are broke. Kinda cool how that works.
Kinda cool how you can pretend you made a point by implying something undefined?

Hmm,educated peole would call that weak minded, not cool.
 
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