Point-by-Point: The Toughest Gaps Between US Peace Plan and Europe’s Reply

First off
Removal of sanctions should be off the table
Fair.
NATO membership should be off the table
I assume you mean denying Ukraine NATO membership should be off the table?
Until Putin comes to the table
As far as I know, Putin is at the table. He's just not making the concessions that Europe and some posters on here are demanding.

If those two negotiating points will induce Putin to accept Europe's terms, then this conflict will be over in short order. Are you sure that's all it will take?

Or is there more? You said "first off." What is the second off, third off, etc?
 
Europe is in a death spiral. Immigration is killing their culture. Taxes are killing their economy. Renewable energy is killing manufacturing. Laws against free speech are killing their freedom
 


Europe’s E3 powers – Britain, France and Germany – have drafted a counter-proposal to the controversial US peace plan for Ukraine, offering a point-by-point revision of the leaked document.

Reuters has released the text of a European counter-proposal, which the agency reviewed on Sunday. Kyiv Post has compared it with the original US draft on a point-by-point basis.


While the EU uses the American plan as its foundation, it rewrites, deletes, or reframes multiple elements that critics noted would reward Moscow or compromise Kyiv’s sovereignty.

This is embarrassing. The US is acting like an agent of Russia. Even some repubs are saying this is nothing more than a Putin wish list. Zelensky needs to stand firm or he will be crushed under the Russian boot. Why is trump carrying Putin's water?
Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have balked at the arrangement, but Nebraska Representative Don Bacon was reportedly “so angry” at the idea that he thought about quitting the lower chamber altogether, he told Axios Monday night.

Bacon has little to lose since he’s already on track to retire—he announced in June that he will not seek reelection in 2026, capping his 10-year career in Congress in early 2027.

That’s given the 62-year-old some extra wiggle room to lament the Trump administration’s maneuverings, damning the rushed peace process as the “Witkoff Ukrainian surrender plan” after special envoy Steve Witkoff, who played a major role in crafting the deal.
Why does any American give a shit about this Ukraine-Russia squabble. It’s not our problem.
 
Fair.

I assume you mean denying Ukraine NATO membership should be off the table?

As far as I know, Putin is at the table. He's just not making the concessions that Europe and some posters on here are demanding.

If those two negotiating points will induce Putin to accept Europe's terms, then this conflict will be over in short order. Are you sure that's all it will take?

Or is there more? You said "first off." What is the second off, third off, etc?
Putin only comes to the table if he is the only one there.

Nobody else is allowed
 
First off
Removal of sanctions should be off the table
NATO membership should be off the table

Until Putin comes to the table
Poootin is destroying Ukraine while trump pretends his people are arranging a peace plan. I am beginning to think that IS the plan...to allow trump's buddy to disseminate Ukraine while trump fakes his peace BS.
 

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