Point-by-Point: The Toughest Gaps Between US Peace Plan and Europe’s Reply

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I have no hope for peace here

Nor should you, until Putin drops dead. The Russians could end up facilitating that.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Nor should you, until Putin drops dead.

Looks like we’re both wrong

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Looks like we’re both wrong

No, let's focus on who is wrong: Putin.

Putin the little maniac, steeped in 19th century Russian mythology, making offensive nuclear threats and thereby shattering the ONE principle that has kept the world in a relative state of peace, since WWII: MAD.

And doing so to cement his own mythology, and for literally no other good reason. A total freak of history that will be remembered for his autocracy, kleptocracy, and belligerence unbefitting of someone who should be allowed to live another single day on the planet with us.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No, let's focus on who is wrong: Putin.

Putin the little maniac, steeped in 19th century Russian mythology, making offensive nuclear threats and thereby shattering the ONE principle that has kept the world in a relative state of peace, since WWII: MAD.

And doing so to cement his own mythology, and for literally no other good reason. A total freak of history that will be remembered for his autocracy, kleptocracy, and belligerence unbefitting of someone who should be allowed to live another single day on the planet with us.

I see.

So it’s Putin and Russias fault for standing still while NATO has pushed relentlessly Eastward the past 3 decades.

Interesting

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So it’s Putin and Russias fault for standing still while NATO has pushed relentlessly Eastward the past 3 decades.

No, it's Putin's aggression against its neighbors for the last few decades that has caused them to flee into the arms of NATO.

They all literally begged to be part of NATO. Because of Russia, and, specifically, Putin the little maniac.

Get it straight, Frank!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No, it's Putin's aggression against its neighbors for the last few decades that has caused them to flee into the arms of NATO.

They all literally begged to be part of NATO. Because of Russia, and, specifically, Putin the little maniac.

Get it straight, Frank!

So who put foreign bioweapon labs in Ukraine, Putin or the West?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

No, it's Putin's aggression against its neighbors for the last few decades that has caused them to flee into the arms of NATO.

They all literally begged to be part of NATO. Because of Russia, and, specifically, Putin the little maniac.

Get it straight, Frank!

Who tried to make Odessa a NATO warm water port?

 

[Rogue AI]

It never existed, you misunderstood.

Ukrainian commander calls for EU to finance 300,000 Ukrainian troops instead of sending Western soldiers​

Colonel Andrii Biletskyi proposes 10-year European financing for 250,000-300,000 Ukrainian soldiers as a strategic alternative to Western troop deployments, citing Britain’s £2 billion support model.

Ukrainian commander calls for EU to finance 300,000 Ukrainian troops instead of sending Western soldiers - Euromaidan Press

Colonel Andrii Biletskyi proposes 10-year European financing for 250,000-300,000 Ukrainian soldiers as a strategic alternative to Western troop deployments, citing Britain's £2 billion support model.

euromaidanpress.com

Europe doesn't have the capability to send and support that many troops, which is why Ukraine suddenly changed their wishlist. Does Ukraine even have 300,000 fighting age people available?

When France threatened to send the Foreign Legion, Russia simply said they would be legitimate targets, they did not whine about it. France did not send them. There is a reason for that.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So who put foreign bioweapon labs in Ukraine, Putin or the West?

Nobody did. Putin planted that false idea in your head, thorough his propaganda network.

Yes Frank, you are spreading Kremlin lies.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Europe doesn't have the capability to send and support that many troops, which is why Ukraine suddenly changed their wishlist. Does Ukraine even have 300,000 fighting age people available?

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Who said they did? it was a suggestion by one guy, mangled by the other poster into meaning 250,000 EU troops.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Nobody did. Putin planted that false idea in your head, thorough his propaganda network.

Yes Frank, you are spreading Kremlin lies.

Victoria Nuland spread Putin lies about the Lugar Labs

Interesting

 

[eagle1462010]

I see.

So it’s Putin and Russias fault for standing still while NATO has pushed relentlessly Eastward the past 3 decades.

Interesting

It is absolutely Russias Fault. The USSR were total assholes and after the fall of the Berlin Wall these countries wanted out.

They also wanted NATO for protection so they would NEVER AGAIN be IMPRISONED BY RUSSIA.

Best example is Poland. They HATE RUSSIA. That is why they have the largest army in Europe from NATO.

Now. We could go stomp Russias ass but then the Nukes come out. If Europe wants a Nuclear War that is on them.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It is absolutely Russias Fault. The USSR were total assholes and after the fall of the Berlin Wall these countries wanted out.

They also wanted NATO for protection so they would NEVER AGAIN be IMPRISONED BY RUSSIA.

Best example is Poland. They HATE RUSSIA. That is why they have the largest army in Europe from NATO.

Now. We could go stomp Russias ass but then the Nukes come out. If Europe wants a Nuclear War that is on them.

what happened to NATOs “not one inch Eastward” promise?

 

[eagle1462010]

what happened to NATOs “not one inch Eastward” promise?

Countries have a right to choose NATO. Who are the Russians to say they have the right to dictate to them.

Countries have REJECTED Russia. It is their Right.

 

[eagle1462010]

Who tried to make Odessa a NATO warm water port?

NATO ships have made it a Port Of Call but not a base of operation.

NATO patrols the Black Sea and has every right to do so.

 

[rightwinger]

It is, of both counts.

More Trump foreign policy chaos and incompetence.

Trumps foreign policy is…….Get a deal
Any Deal

 

[eagle1462010]

Trumps foreign policy is…….Get a deal
Any Deal

And your goal is ENDLESS WAR

 

[rightwinger]

Trump needs to tell EU "Talk to the Hand"

That hand with all the make-up on it?

 

[Seymour Flops]

Point-by-Point: The Toughest Gaps Between US Peace Plan and Europe’s Reply

Kyiv Post compares the US peace plan with Europe’s counter-proposal, obtained by Reuters, highlighting the most contentious points dividing the two sides.

www.kyivpost.com

Europe’s E3 powers – Britain, France and Germany – have drafted a counter-proposal to the controversial US peace plan for Ukraine, offering a point-by-point revision of the leaked document.

Reuters has released the text of a European counter-proposal, which the agency reviewed on Sunday. Kyiv Post has compared it with the original US draft on a point-by-point basis.

While the EU uses the American plan as its foundation, it rewrites, deletes, or reframes multiple elements that critics noted would reward Moscow or compromise Kyiv’s sovereignty.

This is embarrassing. The US is acting like an agent of Russia. Even some repubs are saying this is nothing more than a Putin wish list. Zelensky needs to stand firm or he will be crushed under the Russian boot. Why is trump carrying Putin's water?

MSN

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Lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have balked at the arrangement, but Nebraska Representative Don Bacon was reportedly “so angry” at the idea that he thought about quitting the lower chamber altogether, he told Axios Monday night.

Bacon has little to lose since he’s already on track to retire—he announced in June that he will not seek reelection in 2026, capping his 10-year career in Congress in early 2027.

That’s given the 62-year-old some extra wiggle room to lament the Trump administration’s maneuverings, damning the rushed peace process as the “Witkoff Ukrainian surrender plan” after special envoy Steve Witkoff, who played a major role in crafting the deal.

Boy, I'm glad that Europe deleted, rewrote or reframed multiple elements that critics noted would reward Moscow or compromise Kyiv's integrity!

By the by, did Europe happen to mention what its plan is to induce Moscow to accept their demands?

 

[rightwinger]

By the by, did Europe happen to mention what its plan is to induce Moscow to accept their demands?

First off
Removal of sanctions should be off the table
NATO membership should be off the table

Until Putin comes to the table