You Can Fly An F-22 From Washington D.C. To Libya

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

all you really need to know is Licky Retardo is a dumbass.

an F-22 has a 1600 NM range ... 1600 miles in 8 hours or 1600 miles before it runs out of fuel


Specifications · Lockheed Martin


oh yeah, it doesn't hurt to know there are other dumbasses who believe his bullshit.

have a nice evening, DUMBASSES.

You have a problem "rescuing" a dead Ambassador and his tiny security detail with a suicide mission? I was amazed to learn that the Sec of State can call for air strikes. Who knew?

I do.

I don't. Last minute rescues sound good on TV but in the real world ...not so good. Rambo is a fictional character .. So are Chuck Norris's and Steven Seagal's. How long did it take to prep for the raid on Bin Ladin? Don't you think it is time to get over Benghazi? We can't prepare for EVERYTHING. Even Bush had lots of time to prevent 9/11 but chose to ignore the warnings. SHIT HAPPENS! Get the fuck over it!

How?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Oh please.... Long flights aren't a big deal. As support here is an account of a SR-71 that flew a recon mission from Beale AFB in California to Egypt, and back. A single flight of 12,000 miles! Over a space of over ten hours.


"We completed a fifth 70,000lb air refueling near the Azores before the leisurely Mach 3 flight across the mid Atlantic with a landing at Seymour Johnson AFB North Carolina. We were met by 9th SRW download crews who had the photo and electronic intelligence equipment downloaded and on a dedicated AF courier flight to Washington DC and the National Photo Interpretation Center within twenty minutes. The flight covered 12,181 miles in 10 hours 49 minutes and included 6 hours 41 minutes of supersonic time and 5 air refuelings. After landing, I remember wondering what Charles Lindberg would have thought about the advancement of aviation technology in less than 50 years. The 9th SRW was tasked to fly nine missions of this type and completed them all successfully."

http://webs.lanset.com/aeolusaero/Articles/Jim_Wilson_Yom_Kippur_War_SR71_flight-25Jan10.pdf

Disagreed. Blackbird pilots had special equipment and days of prep for a single mission, not to mention recovery. Long flights strapped into a seat are difficult and not something one does on the spur of the moment unless the fate of the nation is at stake.

Remember the FB-111 bombing mission from England to Libya in 1986? What would have been a 6-7 hour mission (that's out and back, not one way. You're talking about a 20 hour mission) turned into a 13-14 hour mission because France and Spain refused overflight of the aircraft to Libya. During the successful raid (not completely successful since an aircraft and crew were killed) the French Embassy was narrowly missed by an errant bomb. Comedian Sam Kinison made a joke about it when the French complained, "Well they would have done a better job if they'd been allowed to fly over your country and get more fucking sleep!" The bottom line is that 10 hour, much less 20 hour missions requiring a pilot to remain strapped in for the duration are not routine.

THE LIBYAN STRIKE: HOW THE AMERICANS DID IT
TAC's strike force of 24 Pave Tack equipped digital F-111Fs left its home base at RAF Lakenheath at 21.30 GMT on the 14th April, joining up over the sea south of England with 5 EF-111 A tactical jammers of the 42nd Electronic Combat Squadron based at RAF Upper Heyford. Due to various political considerations the governments of France, Spain and Italy denied permission for the US aircraft to overfly their territory thus forcing the one elevens to fly around Spain and through the straits of Gibraltar. This increased the distance covered from around 1,300nm to over 2,800nm and mission duration from 6-7 hours to 13-14 hours with major endurance implications for the mission.

How about them P-51 Mustang pilots in WWII? Truly dude, long flights are the norm. They truly are. I just did a long range ferry flight from Carson City to Anchorage Alaska (with my wife and daughter for company) and it's not an issue.

You are missing the point. On all of those flights, there is more than one pilot!

Excuse me? More than one pilot in a P-51... You might want to check up on that.

Baa baa black sheep I will always remember that episode when a P-51 showed up

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Oh please.... Long flights aren't a big deal. As support here is an account of a SR-71 that flew a recon mission from Beale AFB in California to Egypt, and back. A single flight of 12,000 miles! Over a space of over ten hours.


"We completed a fifth 70,000lb air refueling near the Azores before the leisurely Mach 3 flight across the mid Atlantic with a landing at Seymour Johnson AFB North Carolina. We were met by 9th SRW download crews who had the photo and electronic intelligence equipment downloaded and on a dedicated AF courier flight to Washington DC and the National Photo Interpretation Center within twenty minutes. The flight covered 12,181 miles in 10 hours 49 minutes and included 6 hours 41 minutes of supersonic time and 5 air refuelings. After landing, I remember wondering what Charles Lindberg would have thought about the advancement of aviation technology in less than 50 years. The 9th SRW was tasked to fly nine missions of this type and completed them all successfully."

http://webs.lanset.com/aeolusaero/Articles/Jim_Wilson_Yom_Kippur_War_SR71_flight-25Jan10.pdf

Disagreed. Blackbird pilots had special equipment and days of prep for a single mission, not to mention recovery. Long flights strapped into a seat are difficult and not something one does on the spur of the moment unless the fate of the nation is at stake.

Remember the FB-111 bombing mission from England to Libya in 1986? What would have been a 6-7 hour mission (that's out and back, not one way. You're talking about a 20 hour mission) turned into a 13-14 hour mission because France and Spain refused overflight of the aircraft to Libya. During the successful raid (not completely successful since an aircraft and crew were killed) the French Embassy was narrowly missed by an errant bomb. Comedian Sam Kinison made a joke about it when the French complained, "Well they would have done a better job if they'd been allowed to fly over your country and get more fucking sleep!" The bottom line is that 10 hour, much less 20 hour missions requiring a pilot to remain strapped in for the duration are not routine.

THE LIBYAN STRIKE: HOW THE AMERICANS DID IT
TAC's strike force of 24 Pave Tack equipped digital F-111Fs left its home base at RAF Lakenheath at 21.30 GMT on the 14th April, joining up over the sea south of England with 5 EF-111 A tactical jammers of the 42nd Electronic Combat Squadron based at RAF Upper Heyford. Due to various political considerations the governments of France, Spain and Italy denied permission for the US aircraft to overfly their territory thus forcing the one elevens to fly around Spain and through the straits of Gibraltar. This increased the distance covered from around 1,300nm to over 2,800nm and mission duration from 6-7 hours to 13-14 hours with major endurance implications for the mission.

How about them P-51 Mustang pilots in WWII? Truly dude, long flights are the norm. They truly are. I just did a long range ferry flight from Carson City to Anchorage Alaska (with my wife and daughter for company) and it's not an issue.

You are missing the point. On all of those flights, there is more than one pilot!

Excuse me? More than one pilot in a P-51... You might want to check up on that.

I was referring to the info you quoted and are disputing. A P-51 pilot is alone. The EF-111 and F-111s have a crew of two.

 

[Wyatt earp]

all you really need to know is Licky Retardo is a dumbass.

an F-22 has a 1600 NM range ... 1600 miles in 8 hours or 1600 miles before it runs out of fuel


Specifications · Lockheed Martin


oh yeah, it doesn't hurt to know there are other dumbasses who believe his bullshit.

have a nice evening, DUMBASSES.

You have a problem "rescuing" a dead Ambassador and his tiny security detail with a suicide mission? I was amazed to learn that the Sec of State can call for air strikes. Who knew?

I do.

I don't. Last minute rescues sound good on TV but in the real world ...not so good. Rambo is a fictional character .. So are Chuck Norris's and Steven Seagal's. How long did it take to prep for the raid on Bin Ladin? Don't you think it is time to get over Benghazi? We can't prepare for EVERYTHING. Even Bush had lots of time to prevent 9/11 but chose to ignore the warnings. SHIT HAPPENS! Get the fuck over it!

How?

I have to agree . Clinton warned Bush Jr just like Bush Jr warned Barney Frank and Harry Reid about Freddie and franie

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Why didn't they just send in the Avengers ? Lol!

This thread is so dumb . Libya is a sovereign nation we are trying to be friends with. And y'all just want to send in fighter jets like its nothing .

We invaded an ally in Pakistan to get Osama.

 

[Ricky LIbtardo]

Just checked on a flight from New York to Cairo. Egypt Air, Non stop, 10 hours 40 minutes LOL
New York to Tripoli, miles 4,650 miles. Google maps.

F-22 Raptor
Supercruise is sustained supersonic flight of a supersonic aircraft with a useful cargo, passenger, or weapons load performed efficiently, which typically precludes the use of highly inefficient afterburners. Mach 1.7=1304.36 mph.

4650 miles/1304.36 mph=3.5650 Flight hours.
3 hours refueling time from tankers out of southern England, ya they are there.
Range: More than 1,850 miles ferry range with two external wing fuel tanks (1,600 nautical miles)

Time to station, 6.56 hours. Did I say 12? Well fuck, that old calculator was shitting me.

See how easy it is to hoodwink a stupid liberal?

Never, ever trust your life or your money with a liberal.

WHY DO YOU THINK WE BUILT THE DAMN THING???

Why do you think we call them LIBTARDOS?

You cannot refuel at 1300 miles an hour.

What fucking part of "3 hours refueling time from tankers" did you not understand?
Did I say they refuel at mach 1.7?
Stupid fuckers posting without reading the entire fact sheet.

In that post I did the research, crunched the fucking numbers, and every fucking fact in there proves my fucking point beyond any question. I've been fascinated with the F-22 from the very first time they announced it. Why again, do you think we built the damn thing? Every single moron on this thread who challenged the facts have been kicked in the head at least 50 times. And to the other moron, you can land them in Italy after they ran cover for incoming support and not have to return to the States.

And in addition, every stupid ass who challenged the facts missed the entire fucking point. They claimed they couldn't do anything and I proved they could even as far away as Washington D.C. They had assets in England that could have hooked up with tankers out of Italy. Hillary and Obama are fucking liars. And if you're with them you're no better than them.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Just checked on a flight from New York to Cairo. Egypt Air, Non stop, 10 hours 40 minutes LOL
New York to Tripoli, miles 4,650 miles. Google maps.

F-22 Raptor
Supercruise is sustained supersonic flight of a supersonic aircraft with a useful cargo, passenger, or weapons load performed efficiently, which typically precludes the use of highly inefficient afterburners. Mach 1.7=1304.36 mph.

4650 miles/1304.36 mph=3.5650 Flight hours.
3 hours refueling time from tankers out of southern England, ya they are there.
Range: More than 1,850 miles ferry range with two external wing fuel tanks (1,600 nautical miles)

Time to station, 6.56 hours. Did I say 12? Well fuck, that old calculator was shitting me.

See how easy it is to hoodwink a stupid liberal?

Never, ever trust your life or your money with a liberal.

WHY DO YOU THINK WE BUILT THE DAMN THING???

Why do you think we call them LIBTARDOS?

You cannot refuel at 1300 miles an hour.

What fucking part of "3 hours refueling time from tankers" did you not understand?
Did I say they refuel at mach 1.7?
Stupid fuckers posting without reading the entire fact sheet.

In that post I did the research, crunched the fucking numbers, and every fucking fact in there proves my fucking point beyond any question. I've been fascinated with the F-22 from the very first time they announced it. Why again, do you think we built the damn thing? Every single moron on this thread who challenged the facts have been kicked in the head at least 50 times. And to the other moron, you can land them in Italy after they ran cover for incoming support and not have to return to the States.

And in addition, every stupid ass who challenged the facts missed the entire fucking point. They claimed they couldn't do anything and I proved they could even as far away as Washington D.C. They had assets in England that could have hooked up with tankers out of Italy. Hillary and Obama are fucking liars. And if you're with them you're no better than them.

Your entire numbers are hosed up! How would they refuel south of England when they would run out of fuel LONG before they ever got that far? It is over 3000 nm from DC to London. That's a little further than 1600 nm. I don't see that included in your figures. If they are carrying drop tanks, their cruising speed is less than you listed. Also, that would severely limit any weapons being carried internally because of max take-off weight.

I agree that it could be done, but this oversimplification ( bullshit) is being written to argue a point without taking into consideration all of the ramifications. A mission like that would take days to plan, not minutes.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Oh please.... Long flights aren't a big deal. As support here is an account of a SR-71 that flew a recon mission from Beale AFB in California to Egypt, and back. A single flight of 12,000 miles! Over a space of over ten hours.


"We completed a fifth 70,000lb air refueling near the Azores before the leisurely Mach 3 flight across the mid Atlantic with a landing at Seymour Johnson AFB North Carolina. We were met by 9th SRW download crews who had the photo and electronic intelligence equipment downloaded and on a dedicated AF courier flight to Washington DC and the National Photo Interpretation Center within twenty minutes. The flight covered 12,181 miles in 10 hours 49 minutes and included 6 hours 41 minutes of supersonic time and 5 air refuelings. After landing, I remember wondering what Charles Lindberg would have thought about the advancement of aviation technology in less than 50 years. The 9th SRW was tasked to fly nine missions of this type and completed them all successfully."

http://webs.lanset.com/aeolusaero/Articles/Jim_Wilson_Yom_Kippur_War_SR71_flight-25Jan10.pdf

Disagreed. Blackbird pilots had special equipment and days of prep for a single mission, not to mention recovery. Long flights strapped into a seat are difficult and not something one does on the spur of the moment unless the fate of the nation is at stake.

Remember the FB-111 bombing mission from England to Libya in 1986? What would have been a 6-7 hour mission (that's out and back, not one way. You're talking about a 20 hour mission) turned into a 13-14 hour mission because France and Spain refused overflight of the aircraft to Libya. During the successful raid (not completely successful since an aircraft and crew were killed) the French Embassy was narrowly missed by an errant bomb. Comedian Sam Kinison made a joke about it when the French complained, "Well they would have done a better job if they'd been allowed to fly over your country and get more fucking sleep!" The bottom line is that 10 hour, much less 20 hour missions requiring a pilot to remain strapped in for the duration are not routine.

THE LIBYAN STRIKE: HOW THE AMERICANS DID IT
TAC's strike force of 24 Pave Tack equipped digital F-111Fs left its home base at RAF Lakenheath at 21.30 GMT on the 14th April, joining up over the sea south of England with 5 EF-111 A tactical jammers of the 42nd Electronic Combat Squadron based at RAF Upper Heyford. Due to various political considerations the governments of France, Spain and Italy denied permission for the US aircraft to overfly their territory thus forcing the one elevens to fly around Spain and through the straits of Gibraltar. This increased the distance covered from around 1,300nm to over 2,800nm and mission duration from 6-7 hours to 13-14 hours with major endurance implications for the mission.

How about them P-51 Mustang pilots in WWII? Truly dude, long flights are the norm. They truly are. I just did a long range ferry flight from Carson City to Anchorage Alaska (with my wife and daughter for company) and it's not an issue.

You are missing the point. On all of those flights, there is more than one pilot!

Excuse me? More than one pilot in a P-51... You might want to check up on that.

Baa baa black sheep I will always remember that episode when a P-51 showed up

I asked Robert Conrade about this. It's 9 months before the B/C P-51 is on the front lines. The D was just a dream on the table right then. The P-51A was available but it would never have the range for the mission. Conrad said they couldn't get enough P-38s for the show. It was shot in South America. What's sad, if they had shot it in the US then there were 8 P-38s making the shows at the time and still are. Plus the range for the F-4U wasn't nearly enough either. Not the first time that Blacksheep threw out the history. Until then I enjoyed the show. But I figured out that they could care less about history and just pushed shows. For instance, using F-4Us to escort B-17 and B-24 bombers in 1943. In the Pacific, in 1943, the only bird that could do that kind of ranged escort was the P-38. Conrad just laughed all this off.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Disagreed. Blackbird pilots had special equipment and days of prep for a single mission, not to mention recovery. Long flights strapped into a seat are difficult and not something one does on the spur of the moment unless the fate of the nation is at stake.

Remember the FB-111 bombing mission from England to Libya in 1986? What would have been a 6-7 hour mission (that's out and back, not one way. You're talking about a 20 hour mission) turned into a 13-14 hour mission because France and Spain refused overflight of the aircraft to Libya. During the successful raid (not completely successful since an aircraft and crew were killed) the French Embassy was narrowly missed by an errant bomb. Comedian Sam Kinison made a joke about it when the French complained, "Well they would have done a better job if they'd been allowed to fly over your country and get more fucking sleep!" The bottom line is that 10 hour, much less 20 hour missions requiring a pilot to remain strapped in for the duration are not routine.

THE LIBYAN STRIKE: HOW THE AMERICANS DID IT
TAC's strike force of 24 Pave Tack equipped digital F-111Fs left its home base at RAF Lakenheath at 21.30 GMT on the 14th April, joining up over the sea south of England with 5 EF-111 A tactical jammers of the 42nd Electronic Combat Squadron based at RAF Upper Heyford. Due to various political considerations the governments of France, Spain and Italy denied permission for the US aircraft to overfly their territory thus forcing the one elevens to fly around Spain and through the straits of Gibraltar. This increased the distance covered from around 1,300nm to over 2,800nm and mission duration from 6-7 hours to 13-14 hours with major endurance implications for the mission.

How about them P-51 Mustang pilots in WWII? Truly dude, long flights are the norm. They truly are. I just did a long range ferry flight from Carson City to Anchorage Alaska (with my wife and daughter for company) and it's not an issue.

You are missing the point. On all of those flights, there is more than one pilot!

Excuse me? More than one pilot in a P-51... You might want to check up on that.

Baa baa black sheep I will always remember that episode when a P-51 showed up

I asked Robert Conrade about this. It's 9 months before the B/C P-51 is on the front lines. The D was just a dream on the table right then. The P-51A was available but it would never have the range for the mission. Conrad said they couldn't get enough P-38s for the show. It was shot in South America. What's sad, if they had shot it in the US then there were 8 P-38s making the shows at the time and still are. Plus the range for the F-4U wasn't nearly enough either. Not the first time that Blacksheep threw out the history. Until then I enjoyed the show. But I figured out that they could care less about history and just pushed shows. For instance, using F-4Us to escort B-17 and B-24 bombers in 1943. In the Pacific, in 1943, the only bird that could do that kind of ranged escort was the P-38. Conrad just laughed all this off.

Yea I remember reading the news at the time pa pa boyington? Spl?

Use to be on the set for historical accuracy..but left.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Disagreed. Blackbird pilots had special equipment and days of prep for a single mission, not to mention recovery. Long flights strapped into a seat are difficult and not something one does on the spur of the moment unless the fate of the nation is at stake.

Remember the FB-111 bombing mission from England to Libya in 1986? What would have been a 6-7 hour mission (that's out and back, not one way. You're talking about a 20 hour mission) turned into a 13-14 hour mission because France and Spain refused overflight of the aircraft to Libya. During the successful raid (not completely successful since an aircraft and crew were killed) the French Embassy was narrowly missed by an errant bomb. Comedian Sam Kinison made a joke about it when the French complained, "Well they would have done a better job if they'd been allowed to fly over your country and get more fucking sleep!" The bottom line is that 10 hour, much less 20 hour missions requiring a pilot to remain strapped in for the duration are not routine.

THE LIBYAN STRIKE: HOW THE AMERICANS DID IT
TAC's strike force of 24 Pave Tack equipped digital F-111Fs left its home base at RAF Lakenheath at 21.30 GMT on the 14th April, joining up over the sea south of England with 5 EF-111 A tactical jammers of the 42nd Electronic Combat Squadron based at RAF Upper Heyford. Due to various political considerations the governments of France, Spain and Italy denied permission for the US aircraft to overfly their territory thus forcing the one elevens to fly around Spain and through the straits of Gibraltar. This increased the distance covered from around 1,300nm to over 2,800nm and mission duration from 6-7 hours to 13-14 hours with major endurance implications for the mission.

How about them P-51 Mustang pilots in WWII? Truly dude, long flights are the norm. They truly are. I just did a long range ferry flight from Carson City to Anchorage Alaska (with my wife and daughter for company) and it's not an issue.

You are missing the point. On all of those flights, there is more than one pilot!

Excuse me? More than one pilot in a P-51... You might want to check up on that.

Baa baa black sheep I will always remember that episode when a P-51 showed up

I asked Robert Conrade about this. It's 9 months before the B/C P-51 is on the front lines. The D was just a dream on the table right then. The P-51A was available but it would never have the range for the mission. Conrad said they couldn't get enough P-38s for the show. It was shot in South America. What's sad, if they had shot it in the US then there were 8 P-38s making the shows at the time and still are. Plus the range for the F-4U wasn't nearly enough either. Not the first time that Blacksheep threw out the history. Until then I enjoyed the show. But I figured out that they could care less about history and just pushed shows. For instance, using F-4Us to escort B-17 and B-24 bombers in 1943. In the Pacific, in 1943, the only bird that could do that kind of ranged escort was the P-38. Conrad just laughed all this off.

Wait a second you knew Robert Conrad? Did he really kill his wife?

I knew Johnny cash personally and am friends to this day with his band mate Robert Mitchell.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Just checked on a flight from New York to Cairo. Egypt Air, Non stop, 10 hours 40 minutes LOL
New York to Tripoli, miles 4,650 miles. Google maps.

F-22 Raptor
Supercruise is sustained supersonic flight of a supersonic aircraft with a useful cargo, passenger, or weapons load performed efficiently, which typically precludes the use of highly inefficient afterburners. Mach 1.7=1304.36 mph.

4650 miles/1304.36 mph=3.5650 Flight hours.
3 hours refueling time from tankers out of southern England, ya they are there.
Range: More than 1,850 miles ferry range with two external wing fuel tanks (1,600 nautical miles)

Time to station, 6.56 hours. Did I say 12? Well fuck, that old calculator was shitting me.

See how easy it is to hoodwink a stupid liberal?

Never, ever trust your life or your money with a liberal.

WHY DO YOU THINK WE BUILT THE DAMN THING???

Why do you think we call them LIBTARDOS?

You cannot refuel at 1300 miles an hour.

What fucking part of "3 hours refueling time from tankers" did you not understand?
Did I say they refuel at mach 1.7?
Stupid fuckers posting without reading the entire fact sheet.

In that post I did the research, crunched the fucking numbers, and every fucking fact in there proves my fucking point beyond any question. I've been fascinated with the F-22 from the very first time they announced it. Why again, do you think we built the damn thing? Every single moron on this thread who challenged the facts have been kicked in the head at least 50 times. And to the other moron, you can land them in Italy after they ran cover for incoming support and not have to return to the States.

And in addition, every stupid ass who challenged the facts missed the entire fucking point. They claimed they couldn't do anything and I proved they could even as far away as Washington D.C. They had assets in England that could have hooked up with tankers out of Italy. Hillary and Obama are fucking liars. And if you're with them you're no better than them.

Your entire numbers are hosed up! How would they refuel south of England when they would run out of fuel LONG before they ever got that far? It is over 3000 nm from DC to London. That's a little further than 1600 nm. I don't see that included in your figures. If they are carrying drop tanks, their cruising speed is less than you listed. Also, that would severely limit any weapons being carried internally because of max take-off weight.

I agree that it could be done, but this oversimplification ( bullshit) is being written to argue a point without taking into consideration all of the ramifications. A mission like that would take days to plan, not minutes.

There are a few KC-10s that do the route all the time. They drag fighters over the pond on a daily basis. And that is across both ponds. They have two crews, beds, kitchens and have to stay aloft for hours on end to get the birds accross the ponds.

The F-22 needs to meet up with a KC-10 once to get across the pond. The F-16/18/15 will fly in formation with the tanker. But they all get there.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

How about them P-51 Mustang pilots in WWII? Truly dude, long flights are the norm. They truly are. I just did a long range ferry flight from Carson City to Anchorage Alaska (with my wife and daughter for company) and it's not an issue.

You are missing the point. On all of those flights, there is more than one pilot!

Excuse me? More than one pilot in a P-51... You might want to check up on that.

Baa baa black sheep I will always remember that episode when a P-51 showed up

I asked Robert Conrade about this. It's 9 months before the B/C P-51 is on the front lines. The D was just a dream on the table right then. The P-51A was available but it would never have the range for the mission. Conrad said they couldn't get enough P-38s for the show. It was shot in South America. What's sad, if they had shot it in the US then there were 8 P-38s making the shows at the time and still are. Plus the range for the F-4U wasn't nearly enough either. Not the first time that Blacksheep threw out the history. Until then I enjoyed the show. But I figured out that they could care less about history and just pushed shows. For instance, using F-4Us to escort B-17 and B-24 bombers in 1943. In the Pacific, in 1943, the only bird that could do that kind of ranged escort was the P-38. Conrad just laughed all this off.

Yea I remember reading the news at the time pa pa boyington? Spl?

Use to be on the set for historical accuracy..but left.

Boyington wasn't exactly on true form for accuracy either.

 

[HUGGY]

Is lying through their teeth. I have many friends in the military and they know the truth. And so do we. The government is covering fro shrilary and no matter what facts are presented you drones will ignore them. We get it. You don't care.

"I have many friends in the military and they know the truth." Do you have any idea just how nutty that sounds? You obviously have your mind made up what's the point even discussing this with you? The tinfoil is wrapped so high you probably can't read a word said.

So what. It is a fact. One of them is with Delta. I guarantee you he knows more than you, or I do, about our capabilities. Yes, my mind is made up. So is yours. One thing that we do know, is there was a force in place that could have dealt with the attack. We KNOW this. What we don't know is why weren't they sent. We also know that the administration is covering shrilary's butt. We KNOW this.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out if you have a force in Italy, it's a mere three hours away to Benghazi. You're a propagandist. We also KNOW this to be true. So, stop wasting our time.

What a croc. The flying time is 2 hours from Sigonella and fueling, getting a crew, planning the op, and fitting it with appropriate ammo is time consuming. The people in Benghazi were dead by the time anyone could have responded. End of story.

Should there been better preparedness? yes and that's the real story.

lets say there was a QRA wing ready, and could be in the air in 5-10 minutes ... what do they do when they get there? Random bomb and rockets?
where was Stevens? in the middle of the shitheads that the planes were targeting ? wait for the contractors to get there so they could bomb them too?

do what, how. when, why?

only Bugs Bunny knows for sure.

In the two hours of flying time they gather what intel they can. They deploy a bridgehead on the ground away from that actual combat area. They then use their NODS to infiltrate in to the combat area. They engage the obvious targets, thus relieving the pressure on the defenders. The FO's on the ground, in concert with the defenders inside use the laser designator's to drop precision ordnance on the bigger assemblies of attackers, thus blowing them to hell, and then, under cover of the Spectre gunships, they rescue the
Ambassador and his security detail.

Easy? no. Of course not., But certainly possible.

And they all lived happily ever after. Now everybody run upstairs and brush your teeth. Daddy will be up in a minute to tuck you in.

 

[Markle]

The evidence is overwhelming that the United States had several rescue teams ready to go during the 2012 Benghazi attacks, but someone — possibly the president himself — prevented them from acting. So said Emmy Award-winning journalist Sharyl Attkisson to talk show host Steve Malzberg in an interview on Wednesday.

The evidence is overwhelming that the United States had several rescue teams ready to go during the 2012 Benghazi attacks, but someone — possibly the president himself — prevented them from acting. So said Emmy Award-winning journalist Sharyl Attkisson to talk show host Steve Malzberg in an interview on Wednesday.

This week on her show, “Full Measure,” Attkisson looked into the aborted rescue mission in an in-depth two-part report, “Rescue Interrupted,” which you can watch here and here. She spoke with a Green Beret commander who told her that there were actually Special Forces on their way to Benghazi who were turned back.

Col. Andrew Wood had once commanded a Special Forces anti-terrorism team protecting Ambassador Chis Stevens and other diplomats in Libya. In October of 2012, Woods told Congress that one month before the attacks in Benghazi, his team had been removed from Libya by the Obama administration, despite the numerous warnings of impending terrorist attacks. Wood told Attkisson that Special Forces (the ones mentioned in the “spinning up” email from Jeremy Bash) were on their way to Benghazi, but were ordered to turn back.

“Those individuals I know loaded aircraft and got on their way to Benghazi to respond to that incident. They were not allowed to cross the border as per protocol until they got approval from the commander in chief,” Wood explained. “That authority has to come from him or they’re not allowed to enter the country.”

Attkisson told Malzberg, “This is something that the president and the White House has steadfastly denied, but there’s now what I would call an overwhelming body of evidence that leads us to believe that somebody stopped a number of teams and potential rescuers from entering Libya or going to Benghazi to help while those attacks were underway.”

“They could have gotten there before the last two Americans died,” Attkisson noted. “Those attacks went on for eight hours.”

The email from Jeremy Bash to Jacob Sullivan, deputy chief of staff to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, came at 7:19 pm Washington time.

Attkisson notes in Part One of "Rescue Interrupted" that "the White House has refused to detail the involvement of President Obama -- the Commander-in-Chief -- while Americans were under attack on foreign soil."

Report: U.S. Rescue Team Was on its Way to Benghazi, But Was Turned Back

 

[Divine Wind]

Let me know when there is an aircraft that can match the F-22. The discussion is about endurance flying. It is not a big deal. P-51 drivers did it ALL THE TIME. Yes, squadrons suffered in the WAR. How long did that conflict go on again? You really are trying to equate a multi year war with a single mission? Get real dude. That's just stupid.

That's like saying, "Let me know when a car matches a Formula One race car" in a conversation about 4-wheeling trucks. Endurance flying in an airliner is not a big deal. Endurance flying in a bomber is not a big deal. Endurance flying strapped constantly into a seat, it's a big deal because it's arduous.

Have you ever been strapped upright into a chair for even a few hours? It's fatiguing. Doing that for 10 hours then expecting to go into combat 100% is expecting something superhuman.

The casualty figures of fighter pilots was extremely high in WWII. Part of that was due to the length of the missions, not combat itself.

 

[Borillar]

They wouldn't have to send anyone from the states. There are NATO air bases in Italy. There are also normally two carrier air wings on station in the Mediterranean sea that could be tasked.

Nope. That hasn't been the norm for decades!

Sorry, I've been out for 36 years. That's the way it was when I was in. I assume there is at least one carrier task force in the Med at all times.

 

[westwall]

Let me know when there is an aircraft that can match the F-22. The discussion is about endurance flying. It is not a big deal. P-51 drivers did it ALL THE TIME. Yes, squadrons suffered in the WAR. How long did that conflict go on again? You really are trying to equate a multi year war with a single mission? Get real dude. That's just stupid.

That's like saying, "Let me know when a car matches a Formula One race car" in a conversation about 4-wheeling trucks. Endurance flying in an airliner is not a big deal. Endurance flying in a bomber is not a big deal. Endurance flying strapped constantly into a seat, it's a big deal because it's arduous.

Have you ever been strapped upright into a chair for even a few hours? It's fatiguing. Doing that for 10 hours then expecting to go into combat 100% is expecting something superhuman.

The casualty figures of fighter pilots was extremely high in WWII. Part of that was due to the length of the missions, not combat itself.

Not even close. I've driven for 22 hours straight one time. That was tough. I was 25 at the time. Nowadays my limit is around 14 hours in a stretch. Flight time max is around 7 hours as then I begin to find my focus lessening. That's not acceptable so I limit my flight time. However, I'm 70 years old now. It depends on which Fighter Group you're talking about. I knew Hub Zemke, and his son is a good friend of mine so we talk air combat a lot. The 56th had a 7 to 1 kill ratio. The 4th had a 3.8 to 1 ratio. Before Hub took it over the 479th had a one to 20 kill ratio. After he had whipped them into shape they jumped up to a 7 to 1 ratio, so yes, some fighter groups had high losses, some didn't.

Maintenance issues were a far more telling problem than fatigue of the pilots. I would hazard a guess that engine failure was a leading cause of aircraft loss. That and shit weather which was responsible for many accidents. I just find it hilarious that you guys seem to think that flying a long distance, then attacking a target is so terribly difficult. It's NOT. That's what they train for!

By no means am I saying it's easy. It's not. I couldn't do it because I don't have the level of flight training that they do, but I DO know what is possible in terms of long distance flight. That is not the most pressing of their worries by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Siete]

I'm still forced to take former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates opinion over this boards opinion.

 

[Divine Wind]

Sorry, I've been out for 36 years. That's the way it was when I was in. I assume there is at least one carrier task force in the Med at all times.

I've been out since 1997, but it's always been at least one except for when one was outchopping and another was inchopping or something special was going on.

 

[Divine Wind]

....By no means am I saying it's easy. It's not. I couldn't do it because I don't have the level of flight training that they do, but I DO know what is possible in terms of long distance flight. That is not the most pressing of their worries by any stretch of the imagination.

Of course it's possible. I said it's not routine nor was it easy.