SmilingBandit
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Posted: Yesterday 11:32:30 AM EDT
No you couldn't.
Tell me who was going to prosecute?
No DA would have entertained a charge
Who was going to make an arrest?
You?
Posted: Yesterday 11:37:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Yesterday 11:38:19 AM EDT by dorobuta]
You have to pre-position the KC's to be able to refuel. They take time to get on station.
nobody was going to risk an F-22.
The logistics of getting F-16's from Italy were much simpler and were in fact doable, at least in hindsight.
they could have flown into Libya, done a hot refuel and been over target while the fun and games were sill going on.
there are many reasons this was not done. Some bullshit and some legit.
I'm of the mindset that you do it and worry about the optics and politics later.
but I wasn't in charge of anything, so I can Monday morning quarterback all I want.
If not for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable.
Posted: Yesterday 11:39:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Yesterday 12:33:30 PM EDT by Beach]
In Super Cruise you probably in theory could accomplish that...but you would need a series of tankers staged across the Atlantic. The Lie thats been told over and over is the F16's at Aviano couldn't reach them in time...or the Super Hornets on the Carrier couldn't extend...HORSE SHIT..."Do you even Tanker Bro?" They didnt want to...optics bro...the election was just weeks away...the US striking out at Libya and bombing them would mean the Obama Doctrine was a failure. They were SACRIFICED...so that O could win again...plain and simple.
FIXED IT...WAS NOT AWARE THE S6 and A6 tankers were no longer operating.
Posted: Yesterday 11:42:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Beach:
In Super Cruise you probably in theory could accomplish that...but you would need a series of tankers staged across the Atlantic. The Lie thats been told over and over is the F16's at Aviano couldn't reach them in time...or the Super Hornets on the Carrier couldn't extend...HORSE SHIT..."Do you even Tanker Bro?" Even USAF F16s can tank off of a USN tanker and vice versa...they didnt want to...optics bro...the election was just weeks away...the US striking out at Libya and bombing them would mean the Obama Doctrine was a failure. They were SACRIFICED...so that O could win again...plain and simple.
Please explain how an F-16 can tank off of an F-18 buddy tanker.
Tell me who was going to prosecute?
No DA would have entertained a charge
Who was going to make an arrest?
You?
Posted: Yesterday 11:46:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
Originally Posted By Beach:
In Super Cruise you probably in theory could accomplish that...but you would need a series of tankers staged across the Atlantic. The Lie thats been told over and over is the F16's at Aviano couldn't reach them in time...or the Super Hornets on the Carrier couldn't extend...HORSE SHIT..."Do you even Tanker Bro?" Even USAF F16s can tank off of a USN tanker and vice versa...they didnt want to...optics bro...the election was just weeks away...the US striking out at Libya and bombing them would mean the Obama Doctrine was a failure. They were SACRIFICED...so that O could win again...plain and simple.
Please explain how an F-16 can tank off of an F-18 buddy tanker.
I didn't read that as he was implying a 16 could plug into a 18.
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Posted: Yesterday 11

23 AM EDT
The lack of response to the security assessments tells you all you need to know. The people in Libya were considered expendable.
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Posted: Yesterday 12:15:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Chris_C:
Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
Originally Posted By Beach:
In Super Cruise you probably in theory could accomplish that...but you would need a series of tankers staged across the Atlantic. The Lie thats been told over and over is the F16's at Aviano couldn't reach them in time...or the Super Hornets on the Carrier couldn't extend...HORSE SHIT..."Do you even Tanker Bro?" Even USAF F16s can tank off of a USN tanker and vice versa...they didnt want to...optics bro...the election was just weeks away...the US striking out at Libya and bombing them would mean the Obama Doctrine was a failure. They were SACRIFICED...so that O could win again...plain and simple.
Please explain how an F-16 can tank off of an F-18 buddy tanker.
I didn't read that as he was implying a 16 could plug into a 18.
He said they can tank off of Navy tankers. What else would the hit?
Tell me who was going to prosecute?
No DA would have entertained a charge
Who was going to make an arrest?
You?
Posted: Yesterday 12:29:42 PM EDT
IMHO, the optics of a MANPAD shooting down a US jet over Libya would look fat worse than loosing an ambassador.
Posted: Yesterday 12:34:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Yesterday 12:40:09 PM EDT by Chris_C]

Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
Originally Posted By Chris_C:
Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
Originally Posted By Beach:
In Super Cruise you probably in theory could accomplish that...but you would need a series of tankers staged across the Atlantic. The Lie thats been told over and over is the F16's at Aviano couldn't reach them in time...or the Super Hornets on the Carrier couldn't extend...HORSE SHIT..."Do you even Tanker Bro?" Even USAF F16s can tank off of a USN tanker and vice versa...they didnt want to...optics bro...the election was just weeks away...the US striking out at Libya and bombing them would mean the Obama Doctrine was a failure. They were SACRIFICED...so that O could win again...plain and simple.
Please explain how an F-16 can tank off of an F-18 buddy tanker.
I didn't read that as he was implying a 16 could plug into a 18.
He said they can tank off of Navy tankers. What else would the hit?
Right, but not the Hornets
I am not aware of any USN/USNC tanker or pod that isn't basket and drogue..
Unless....
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Posted: Yesterday 12:35:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Yesterday 12:36:30 PM EDT by Beach]

Please explain how an F-16 can tank off of an F-18 buddy tanker.
Your right Navy used a dick and USAF uses a *****.
Posted: Yesterday 1:09:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Yesterday 1

45 PM EDT by rabidus]
Do the USAF and USN use the same jet fuel?
It seems logistically speaking, poor to not have an interchangeable mid air refueling system between US armed forces.
B-1 Lancers take off from Guam to hit some targets in China. A CVN is the only fuel source anywhere near the flight path of the B1's. It is a time sensitive operation and the kc-135 would not make it in time but a f-18 could top them off.
Vise versa, a flight of F-18's from a CVN just bombed a target and the catapult from the carrier is down and the refueling f-18 cannot make it in time, However, a KC-135 is nearby and can top them off so they can make it back.
Before someone says, both forces are stubbern and think their refueling method is superior, look at which method has the safest and most reliable history and make it universal.
Posted: Yesterday 1

10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Yesterday 1

46 PM EDT by Chris_C]

Originally Posted By rabidus:
Do the USAF and USN use the same jet fuel?
It seems logistically speaking, poor to not have an interchangeable mid air refueling system between US armed forces.
B-1 Lancers take off from Guam to hit some targets in China. A CVN is the only fuel source anywhere near the flight path of the B1's. It is a time sensitive operation and the kc-135 would not make it in time but a f-18 could top them off.
Vise versa, a flight of F-18's from a CVN just bombed a target and the catapult from the carrier is down and the refueling f-18 cannot make it in time, However, a KC-135 is nearby and can top them off so they can make it back.
Before someone says, both forces are stubbern and think their refueling method is superior, look at which method has the safest and most reliable history and make it universal.
All jet fuel is the same, simply.
An F18 with a pod, a drop and it's own stores isn't doing shit for fuel with a Lancer.
USAF tankers can fuel both USAF and USN/USMC aircraft capable if fueling in flight. The USN and USMC only are not capable of doing anything BUT aircraft that are Drogue to Probe.
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Posted: Yesterday 9

32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Beach:
Please explain how an F-16 can tank off of an F-18 buddy tanker.
Your right Navy used a dick and USAF uses a *****.
Compared to a boom the Navy has micropenises.
Tell me who was going to prosecute?
No DA would have entertained a charge
Who was going to make an arrest?
You?
Posted: Yesterday 9

23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By rabidus:
Do the USAF and USN use the same jet fuel?
It seems logistically speaking, poor to not have an interchangeable mid air refueling system between US armed forces.
B-1 Lancers take off from Guam to hit some targets in China. A CVN is the only fuel source anywhere near the flight path of the B1's. It is a time sensitive operation and the kc-135 would not make it in time but a f-18 could top them off.
Vise versa, a flight of F-18's from a CVN just bombed a target and the catapult from the carrier is down and the refueling f-18 cannot make it in time, However, a KC-135 is nearby and can top them off so they can make it back.
Before someone says, both forces are stubbern and think their refueling method is superior, look at which method has the safest and most reliable history and make it universal.
The probe and drogue gives you at best 400 gallons per minute of flow rate but can be put on a fighter as a buddy tanker.
The flying boom can get 1000 gallons per minute.
And we both can burn the same gas. The Navy uses JP5 which is safer for on carrier operations. Everyone else uses JP8, actually we use Jet-A in the states because it's a couple cents cheaper per gallon. It's all interchangeable and we use whatever the local base stocks when we operate out of it.
KC-10s and a handful of KC-135s (as well as the new KC-46) can refuel boom and drogue in the same sortie. The standard KC-135 without the wingtip pods takes about an hour or two on the ground to switch between boom and probe operations.
Tell me who was going to prosecute?
No DA would have entertained a charge
Who was going to make an arrest?
You?