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Nope. Not at all. I am just saying the nut balls and crackpots carrying on, trying to change the outcome at this point, are acting like they want a civil war. If they get one, it is quite possible the United State will not have an election that means anything or function under the constitution as we know it for many years.I need to "get over it" if I expect to vote again? Is that the way this is going to go down, White? Anyone who criticizes an election that doesn't look like it was done on the up and up will then lose their right to vote? Gotta love you, liberals! Scratch the paint a little and there's a Hugo Chavez just dying to get out!Sure I care. As far as I can tell, by the recounts, the certifications in Democrat and Republican lead state, the legislative assemblies in Democrat and Republican states, the court cases in front of Republican and Democrat judges appointed by Democrat and Republican presidents, including one appointed by DJT, at least 3 attempts to make the Supreme Court decide, but their declining to intercede on behalf of trump, as well as the tainted Attorney General saying he has seen no evidence of election fraud that could have changed the election, Department of Homeland Security stating from their department watching election security that it was the most secure he have had. These are all, not the preponderance but all rulings and decisions. Trump appoint judge ask Juliani and the trump legal team in court, if they were accusing fraud. Juli refused to do so.Do you even care about free and fair elections, White? Do you honestly not grasp why so many Americans are well and truly pissed off right now at what's gone down! Telling those that feel like they've been screwed when they tried to voice their opinion, to "sit down and shut up" is a recipe for inciting REAL violence! Understanding people's anger is not only a mature thing to do...it's a prudent thing to do!I don't think of him as a loser. He has gotten further than I ever will. But, he lost the election and like you point out, the court battles, as well recounts and the state legislative battles. I will have not truck with sedition. F#ck him!! He ain't taking over my country!! Time for him to sit down and shut up!Did not seem negative, unless you are determined he should make a high priority of his admin to go hard to settle scores.
It is not his style, in general. Going to be a hard needle to thread though, between justice/accountability and a normal national domestic agenda and attention to killing the pandemic. Glad it is him, not me. Guess that's one of the reasons I voted for him.
Biden has a tough job and I doubt everyone is getting what they want.
But Biden will try and heal the country... I think there is 70% maybe more who can still see reason... Fox News will be important as they are the main conservative channel that will be given access... The Breitbarts and further Nut Job networks are getting cut off. GOP is better off isolating them and stear the party back to sanity and facts...
ILMAO @ Biden has a tough job. He's purely a puppet, I doubt he knows what day it is.
Yeah, PROGS sound so reasonable.
Biden beat Trump's ass....
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I think that is 59 times.... Trump is just a looser....
Do I care? Absolutely! I have voted in every single election local or national since 1972 when I turned 18. Every single time, without fail, including filing absentee (before I left) the one time I was going to be on an overseas assignment on election day. I have done my part in the voting booth and in over 20 years in uniform to properly care for, stand ready for and represent my country.
I believe in representative government. All the rulings and decisions of and in the government that I have believed in indicate this was a free and fair election. You ask me to believe without convincing any courts, any legislatures, any state election committees, any governors that have ruled against you. I cannot do that. In the absence of me being able to personally view and validate every single vote myself, I will support the legal and legislative representatives democrat and republican the have closer investigated in their own states and certified their elector and sent the decision of the voters to Washington and the courts that consistently refuse to rule in trump's favor. Further, I denounce the un-American activities that took place last week in the Capital of my government and the man I heard, live, sending them to march on the Capital. The time for fighting to win the election is long gone. Nothing left but to fight against those that would overturn free elections in service and dedication to a man, instead of the Constitution and norms of my country. I took my Oath a long time ago and I am not going back on it now.
I understand your feelings, but trump lost. Get over it, if you ever expect to vote again.
I don't want a Civil War...what I want is an election that isn't so flawed in it's execution that half the country thinks it was fraudulent! That's why those people marched on Congress. Don't you grasp that? Can clearer heads prevail? Can we get back to counting the votes of people who show up with valid ID's or mail in an Absentee Ballot so we don't have crap like this going on? Is that REALLY so hard?
You named the problem [ " so flawed in it's execution that half the country thinks it was fraudulent!"] . Applications of law cannot be settle with what people (even half the people) think. Our laws are based on what can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Heck, they even let O.J. off. Everybody in charge said it was legit. People that lost said it was not legit even after exhausting all legal battles. Then they moved to actions patently and provable illegit. Bad medicine, dude. That is the banana republic way.
I beg to differ. People counting ballots in back rooms is the "Banana Republic" way. That has nothing to do with the law...that has to do with an election that was fatally flawed before it even began! Ballot Harvesting? Mailing out tens of thousands of ballots to people that haven't requested them and may or may not still be at the address you're sending them to? Not allowing poll watchers close enough to see what's happening? THAT is bad medicine and THAT is what we need to put an end to now! If we don't our elections are going to be one shit show after another and I think deep down you know I'm right!
There was not backroom counting, according to election officials, republican and democrat. I am highly suspicious of ballot harvesting, especially after the 2018 election. Knew it was illegal there. Thought it was everywhere, but the individual states make the laws of how they conduct their elections. Not in favor of mass mailing of unrequested ballots, but in the end, it comes down to whether they were returned and verified properly. Poll watchers were there and cameras were there. Not one challenge on that score passed the test in democrat or republican states. If something failed to be caught, by the poll watcher that took place by accident or on purpose (though not proved) you can be pretty sure it did not approach 7,000,000 times overall or enough to change the outcome in a single state.
How can you prove illegalities when you're not allowed to be close enough to observe what's happening, White? Would you agree that preventing poll watchers from positions where they can actually see what's taking place...despite not being "illegal" is highly questionable?
As for your 7,000,000 number? Be honest, White! Do you really think a fossil like Joe Biden....someone who couldn't draw a crowd if he was giving out free beer and the Stones were playing a free concert...got more votes than any candidate EVER? That's the number that had me shaking my head more than any other.
The trump campaign had people in the room.
You just want to toss votes from people who voted legally against your guy.
In the room but not close enough to observe. That's what has people upset.