Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?

[Hafar1014]

Show me the hidden meaning in all these commands. Share your perverted wisdom with the world.

6 None of you shall approach a close to have sexual intercourse. I am the LORD.

7* You shall not disgrace your father by having intercourse with your mother.c She is your own mother; you shall not have intercourse with her.

8You shall not have intercourse with your father’s wife, for that would be a disgrace to your father.

9You shall not have intercourse with your sister,* d your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in your own household or born elsewhere.

10You shall not have intercourse with your son’s daughter or with your daughter’s daughter,* for that would be a disgrace to you.

11You shall not have intercourse with the daughter whom your father’s wife bore to him in his household,e since she, too, is your sister.

12You shall not have intercourse with your father’s sister,f since she is your father’s relative.

13You shall not have intercourse with your mother’s sister, since she is your mother’s relative.

14You shall not disgrace your father’s brother by having sexual relations with his wife,g since she, too, is your aunt.

15You shall not have intercourse with your daughter-in-law;* h she is your son’s wife; you shall not have intercourse with her.

16You shall not have intercourse with your brother’s wife;* i that would be a disgrace to your brother.

17You shall not have intercourse with a woman and also with her daughter, nor shall you marry and have intercourse with her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter;j they are related to her. This would be shameful.

18While your wife is still living you shall not marry her sister as her rival and have intercourse with her.k

19You shall not approach a woman to have intercourse with her while she is in her menstrual uncleanness.l

20You shall not have sexual relations with your neighbor’s wife,* m defiling yourself with her.

21n You shall not offer any of your offspring for immolation to Molech,* thus profaning the name of your God. I am the LORD.

22You shall not lie with a male as with a woman;o such a thing is an abomination.

23You shall not have sexual relations with an animal, defiling yourself with it; nor shall a woman set herself in front of an animal to mate with it; that is perverse.p

Im glad there is no law against having sex with 2 women at the same time. I was sweating as I read it.
It is interesting that they knew that sex within families has a serious effect on offspring. Its also disrupts families

 

[hadit]

Congratulations!

I'm sure it seemed just as unlikely when Jesus expected people to understand the same thing after 1000 years of following the Law according to the talmud, what he called the traditions of men.

So you don't believe that God would choose one person to make his wisdom known? Who knew! Even though thats what happened to Moses and all the prophets, including Jesus.

Thanks for sharing!

Your inflated sense of yourself is entertaining. Not informative, but entertaining.

And no, I absolutely do NOT believe God chose you to "make His wisdom known". Do you know what God's prophets did to establish that they spoke for God? Signs and wonders. You know, those things you claim are impossible. Moses brought the plagues, Elijah caused a drought and ended it, Elisha made the widow's oil and flour last through the drought and healed Naaman, and on and on.

What miraculous things have you done to establish you bring a new revelation from God and are authorized to speak against His Word?

 

[hadit]

So you don't have any children? If you do I feel sorry for them.

No one gets glory, honor and praise from me like I give to God. Who do you glorify like God?

 

[hobelim]

And no, I absolutely do NOT believe God chose you to "make His wisdom known".

No problem!

Eternal life isn't for everyone. Not to worry! You get to live under a stage delusion for the rest of your days.

Do you know what God's prophets did to establish that they spoke for God? Signs and wonders. You know, those things you claim are impossible. Moses brought the plagues, Elijah caused a drought and ended it, Elisha made the widow's oil and flour last through the drought and healed Naaman, and on and on.

What miraculous things have you done to establish you bring a new revelation from God and are authorized to speak against His Word?

I took from the giant the goose that lays the golden eggs and gave it to the people. I raised the dead, gave sight to the blind, solved ancient mysteries, and predicted to skeptics a future which has come to pass and so they've become believers in God among us. My God.

The details remain classified.

 

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No problem!

Show me the hidden meaning in all these commands. Share your perverted wisdom with the world.

6 None of you shall approach a close to have sexual intercourse. I am the LORD.

7* You shall not disgrace your father by having intercourse with your mother.c She is your own mother; you shall not have intercourse with her.

8You shall not have intercourse with your father’s wife, for that would be a disgrace to your father.

9You shall not have intercourse with your sister,* d your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in your own household or born elsewhere.

10You shall not have intercourse with your son’s daughter or with your daughter’s daughter,* for that would be a disgrace to you.

11You shall not have intercourse with the daughter whom your father’s wife bore to him in his household,e since she, too, is your sister.

12You shall not have intercourse with your father’s sister,f since she is your father’s relative.

13You shall not have intercourse with your mother’s sister, since she is your mother’s relative.

14You shall not disgrace your father’s brother by having sexual relations with his wife,g since she, too, is your aunt.

15You shall not have intercourse with your daughter-in-law;* h she is your son’s wife; you shall not have intercourse with her.

16You shall not have intercourse with your brother’s wife;* i that would be a disgrace to your brother.

17You shall not have intercourse with a woman and also with her daughter, nor shall you marry and have intercourse with her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter;j they are related to her. This would be shameful.

18While your wife is still living you shall not marry her sister as her rival and have intercourse with her.k

19You shall not approach a woman to have intercourse with her while she is in her menstrual uncleanness.l

20You shall not have sexual relations with your neighbor’s wife,* m defiling yourself with her.

21n You shall not offer any of your offspring for immolation to Molech,* thus profaning the name of your God. I am the LORD.

22You shall not lie with a male as with a woman;o such a thing is an abomination.

23You shall not have sexual relations with an animal, defiling yourself with it; nor shall a woman set herself in front of an animal to mate with it; that is perverse.p

 

[hobelim]

No one gets glory, honor and praise from me like I give to God.

So you don't honor other people like you dishonor my God by worshipping the Antichrist, a false counterfeit Jesus that doesn't correspond to any real living being ever in existence.

Thats awesome.

 

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So you don't honor other people like you dishonor my God by worshipping the Antichrist, a false counterfeit Jesus that doesn't correspond to any real living being even in existence. Thats awesome.

You dishonor your God and pervert his commands by denying his 22 commands against improper sexual relations. So don't pretend that you are holy. You aren't. You are the opposite of holy because you intentionally and blatantly pervert the word of God.

 

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So you don't honor other people like you dishonor my God by worshipping the Antichrist, a false counterfeit Jesus that doesn't correspond to any real living being ever in existence. Thats awesome.

It's you who has perverted Jesus.

Portraying Jesus as supernatural isn't just an element in the Gospels; it's fundamental to what the Gospels aim to convey about his identity and purpose.

The Gospels make a deliberate and central effort to portray Jesus as a supernatural being, highlighting his divine nature through miraculous deeds (healings, nature control, resurrection), his unique divine conception, and his identity as the Son of God, with John's Gospel emphasizing his pre-existence and deity most strongly. While different Gospels emphasize different aspects (Matthew as King, Mark as Servant, Luke as perfect Man), all present a figure whose life, actions, and claims transcend the ordinary human experience to reveal God.

There is a clear consensus within mainstream scholarship that the writers intended to show Jesus as supernatural.

 

[hobelim]

There is a clear consensus within mainstream scholarship that the writers intended to show Jesus as supernatural.

So what.

There is a clear consensus within mainstream scholarship, lol, that the author of Pinocchio intended to show a puppet becoming a real boy.

A supernatural miracle!

Numbskull.

 

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So what. Mainstream scholars, lol, have a clear consensus that the author of Pinocchio portrayed a puppet becoming a real boy.

A miracle!

Numbskull.

The Gospel of Luke records several instances and claims where Jesus acts, speaks, or is described in ways that present Him as having divine authority and equality with God, such as forgiving sins, having power over nature, and accepting worship.

The Gospel of John records Jesus making claims and performing actions that his Jewish contemporaries understood as claims of divinity, leading them to accuse him of blasphemy for making himself equal with God, such as calling God "My Father" and working on the Sabbath as God does. Key instances include Jesus stating, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am at work," and "The Father and I are one," asserting shared nature, works, power, and judgment with God.

The Gospel of Mark records Jesus performing actions and making statements that demonstrate divine authority, leading many to interpret these as claims to equality with God, such as forgiving sins (a power only God has), controlling nature, and accepting worship, culminating in his affirmation before the High Priest that he is the "Son of Man" coming on the clouds, which was understood as blasphemy and claiming divine status. While he doesn't use the explicit "I AM" phrases of John, Mark portrays Jesus' identity as God through his deeds and his authoritative claims.

The Gospel of Matthew records Jesus performing actions and making claims that are interpreted as signs of divinity, such as accepting worship (Matt. 28:9, 17), claiming unique authority over the Law and judgment, and his resurrection, but he doesn't explicitly say "I am God"; rather, Matthew emphasizes his role as the divine Son of God and New Moses, showing his power and connection to God. Key examples include his post-resurrection appearance where disciples worship him and his commission to baptize "in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit," implying shared divinity.

 

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So what.

You don't honor God. You pervert God.

 

[hobelim]

The Gospel of Luke records several instances and claims where Jesus acts, speaks, or is described in ways that present Him as having divine authority and equality with God, such as forgiving sins, having power over nature, and accepting worship.

The Gospel of John records Jesus making claims and performing actions that his Jewish contemporaries understood as claims of divinity, leading them to accuse him of blasphemy for making himself equal with God, such as calling God "My Father" and working on the Sabbath as God does. Key instances include Jesus stating, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I, too, am at work," and "The Father and I are one," asserting shared nature, works, power, and judgment with God.

The Gospel of Mark records Jesus performing actions and making statements that demonstrate divine authority, leading many to interpret these as claims to equality with God, such as forgiving sins (a power only God has), controlling nature, and accepting worship, culminating in his affirmation before the High Priest that he is the "Son of Man" coming on the clouds, which was understood as blasphemy and claiming divine status. While he doesn't use the explicit "I AM" phrases of John, Mark portrays Jesus' identity as God through his deeds and his authoritative claims.

The Gospel of Matthew records Jesus performing actions and making claims that are interpreted as signs of divinity, such as accepting worship (Matt. 28:9, 17), claiming unique authority over the Law and judgment, and his resurrection, but he doesn't explicitly say "I am God"; rather, Matthew emphasizes his role as the divine Son of God and New Moses, showing his power and connection to God. Key examples include his post-resurrection appearance where disciples worship him and his commission to baptize "in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit," implying shared divinity.

Jesus said that he did not come to bring peace but A SWORD.

Take, from my hand, this cup of fiery wine and make all the nations to whom I send you drink it. WHEN THEY HAVE DRUNK IT THEY WILL VOMIT AND GO MAD; such is THE SWORD that I am sending among them. Jeremiah 25:15

Whoomp! There it is. A curse under the appearance of a cup of wine. Still works like a charm!

 

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Jesus said he did not come to bring peace but a sword.

Take from my hand this cup of fiery wine and make all the nations to whom I send you drink it. WHEN THEY HAVE DRUNK IT THEY WILL VOMIT AND GO MAD; such is the sword that I am sending among them. Jeremiah 25:15

Whoomp! There it is. A curse under the appearance of a cup of wine. Still works like a charm!

In Matthew, Jesus doesn't rebuke people for worshiping him as God; instead, he accepts it, which some interpret as confirmation of his divinity, though he elsewhere taught worship of God alone, leading to debate, but passages like the Magi bowing down (Matthew 2) and disciples worshiping after walking on water (Matthew 14) show him accepting divine-level worship without correction, contrasting with his rebukes of hypocritical human worship (Matthew 15, Matthew 23).

In the Gospel of John, Jesus doesn't rebuke people for worshiping Him as God; instead, He accepts it, notably when Thomas declares, "My Lord and my God" (John 20:28), affirming His divinity, contrasting with instances where angels or prophets are wrongly worshiped and corrected, suggesting Jesus's acceptance confirms His divine identity as God made flesh, as emphasized by John's theological framing of Jesus.

While Mark doesn't explicitly show Jesus rebuking people for worshiping Him as God before His resurrection, He does sternly rebuke Peter in Mark 8:33 ("Get behind me, Satan!") for opposing His mission and focusing on human concerns rather than God's, and He rebukes His disciples for unbelief and slowness to understand His divine purpose (Mark 16:14). The Markan Gospel emphasizes that people often failed to grasp Jesus's true, suffering Messiah identity, leading to misunderstandings and hindrances, though post-resurrection worship by believers is accepted as faith in God. In essence, while Mark shows Jesus rebuking people for failing to grasp His divine, sacrificial role, His reactions to direct worship are generally accepting, interpreting it as faith in God, even while addressing the disciples' deeper lack of understanding about His true nature.

Luke 19:40 tells us that the Pharisees asked Jesus to rebuke his disciples for praising him, Jesus responded that even the stones would cry out, indicating the appropriateness of praise for the Messiah.

 

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Whoomp! There it is. A curse under the appearance of a cup of wine. Still works like a charm!

You hate God.

 

[hadit]

No problem!

Eternal life isn't for everyone. Not to worry! You get to live under a stage delusion for the rest of your days.

On the contrary, I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I've committed unto Him against that day. Pity you do not.

I took from the giant the goose that lays the golden eggs and gave it to the people. I raised the dead, gave sight to the blind, solved ancient mysteries, and predicted to skeptics a future which has come to pass and so they've become believers in God among us. My God.

The details remain classified.

IOW, nothing.

 

[hobelim]

You hate God.

lol. You may not realize this but to Jesus, his disciples, followers, and the unknown Jewish authors of the Gospels who witnessed the destruction by the Romans of Judea, the Temple, their way of life, and the enslavement, exile, torture, and the brutal slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent Jewish men women and children "the nations" YOU were the enemy.

A trinity became a Jewish man who died for your sins because he loved the Roman world so much and all believers have to do to receive eternal life is to defy God and practice idolatry?

Seriously? You believe that crap? Damn. Rube. The wild beasts of the field must start howling and drooling when they see your UNAWARE carcass galumphing from a mile away.


From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which to SMITE "the nations." (Rev 19:15)


Attention Attention! This is not a drill. Now hear this. I repeat. Now hear this. This is not a drill

The Gospels were the first century equivalent of the nuclear option.



"This is the plague with which the LORD will strike all "the nations" that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths." Zechariah 14:12

 

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lol. You may not realize this but to Jesus, his disciples, followers, and the unknown Jewish authors of the Gospels who witnessed the destruction by the Romans of Judea, the Temple, their way of life, and the enslavement, exile, torture, and the brutal slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent Jewish men women and children "the nations" YOU were the enemy.

A trinity became a Jewish man who died for your sins because he loved the Roman world so much and all believers have to do to receive eternal life is to defy God and practice idolatry?

Seriously? You believe that crap? Damn. Rube. The wild beasts of the field must start howling and drooling when they see your UNAWARE carcass galumphing from a mile away.


From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which to SMITE "the nations." (Rev 19:15)


Attention Attention! This is not a drill. Now hear this. I repeat. Now hear this. This is not a drill

The Gospels were the first century equivalent of the nuclear option.



"This is the plague with which the LORD will strike all "the nations" that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths." Zechariah 14:12

What I realize is that you pervert the word of God to suit your perverted purposes.

All four canonical Gospels make a concerted and central effort to portray that Jesus rose from the dead, presenting it as a physical, historical, and transformative event. While the narratives differ in specific details—which scholars often interpret as complementary, independent eyewitness accounts rather than contradictions—they consistently agree on the core truth that the tomb was empty and Jesus appeared to his followers.

 

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lol. You may not realize this but to Jesus, his disciples, followers, and the unknown Jewish authors of the Gospels who witnessed the destruction by the Romans of Judea, the Temple, their way of life, and the enslavement, exile, torture, and the brutal slaughter of hundreds of thousands of innocent Jewish men women and children "the nations" YOU were the enemy.

A trinity became a Jewish man who died for your sins because he loved the Roman world so much and all believers have to do to receive eternal life is to defy God and practice idolatry?

Seriously? You believe that crap? Damn. Rube. The wild beasts of the field must start howling and drooling when they see your UNAWARE carcass galumphing from a mile away.


From his mouth there went a sharp sword with which to SMITE "the nations." (Rev 19:15)


Attention Attention! This is not a drill. Now hear this. I repeat. Now hear this. This is not a drill

The Gospels were the first century equivalent of the nuclear option.



"This is the plague with which the LORD will strike all "the nations" that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths." Zechariah 14:12

The risen Christ appeared to a variety of individuals and groups, with accounts in the Bible describing appearances to at least eight different groups of people over a 40-day period. While the Bible details specific instances, it does not explicitly state that these were the only appearances.

In all Jesus appeared a dozen different times over forty days to more than 515 individuals. He appeared to women and to men, He appeared to individuals and to groups, He appeared indoors and outdoors, He appeared to people who were skeptics and people who were believers, He appeared to people who were hardhearted and people who were tenderhearted. And He talked with people, He ate with people, He even invited Thomas - the skeptic, the doubter - to put his finger in the nail holes in His hands, put his hand in the spear wound in His side - to see and touch the evidence himself. Then what was Thomas's reaction? To say, "My Lord and my God!" He became convinced by the evidence that Jesus had returned from the dead. And what does history tell us about Thomas? He spent the rest of his life declaring Jesus did return from the dead, He is the Son of God, even to the point of being put to death for his faith in southern India.

 

[hobelim]

What I realize is that you pervert the word of God to suit your perverted purposes.

All four canonical Gospels make a concerted and central effort to portray that Jesus rose from the dead, presenting it as a physical, historical, and transformative event. While the narratives differ in specific details—which scholars often interpret as complementary, independent eyewitness accounts rather than contradictions—they consistently agree on the core truth that the tomb was empty and Jesus appeared to his followers.

"This is the plague with which the LORD will strike all "the nations" that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths." Zechariah 14:12

 

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"This is the plague with which the LORD will strike all "the nations" that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths." Zechariah 14:12

Here's a breakdown of some of the groups Jesus appeared to:

• Mary Magdalene: She was the first person to see the resurrected Jesus.
• Other women at the tomb: Other women who had come to the tomb also witnessed the risen Christ.
• Two disciples on the road to Emmaus: Jesus walked and talked with them, revealing himself later.
• The eleven apostles: They saw Jesus in the upper room and later on a mountain in Galilee.
• More than 500 brethren: One scripture passage mentions Jesus appearing to over 500 people at once.
• James, the brother of Jesus: This was a special appearance to his half-brother, who was initially a skeptic.
• Seven disciples on the Sea of Galilee: Jesus appeared to them while they were fishing.
• Apostle Paul: Paul himself claims to have seen the risen Christ.