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[hobelim]

Show me the hidden meaning in all these commands. Share your perverted wisdom with the world.

I will show you the story hidden by the language used in the miracle of the loaves. Then you can either remain in hell, the realm of the dead, or STFU and rise from your Roman grave.

"When he came ashore, he saw a great crowd; and his heart went out to them, because they were like sheep without a shepherd AND HE HAD MUCH TO TEACH THEM. (Mark 6:34)

This shows the concern of Jesus was teaching. At that time Jesus had only 7 disciples represented by 5 loaves and 2 fish; bread a known metaphor for teaching, fish a known metaphor for a follower of Jesus. When asked how they were going to "feed" so many people Jesus said, "Feed them yourselves," Meaning teach them yourselves. So they broke up the crowd into sections, Jesus blessed his disciples and sent them among the people to teach them everything they already learned from Jesus. The crowd was satisfied and Jesus ended up with 12 baskets full of uneaten pieces representing the 12 disciples he ended up with who accepted what the crowd couldn't swallow, "uneaten pieces". Ta da! A miracle! lol.

See? Nothing supernatural. No suspension of disbelief and no blind faith required. Satisfied?

I will now take a bow.

 

[hobelim]

Oh, yes, the Mothra defense. That says nothing about the Gospel in Africa and Asia not contradicting the Gospel as preached in Europe. You keep avoiding that.

You are just wrong. The gospel according to Philip found among the Nag Hammadi scrolls in north Africa tell a different story than your delusional "belief" that Jesus had no human father.

"The lord would never say, “My father who is in heaven” unless he had another father. He would have simply said, “My father.""

Thats the way the cookie crumbles.

What then?

 

[hadit]

I will show you the story hidden by the language used in the miracle of the loaves. Then you can either remain in hell, the realm of the dead, or STFU and rise from your Roman grave.

"When he came ashore, he saw a great crowd; and his heart went out to them, because they were like sheep without a shepherd AND HE HAD MUCH TO TEACH THEM. (Mark 6:34)

This shows the concern of Jesus was teaching. At that time Jesus had only 7 disciples represented by 5 loaves and 2 fish; bread a known metaphor for teaching, fish a known metaphor for a follower of Jesus. When asked how they were going to "feed" so many people Jesus said, "Feed them yourselves," Meaning teach them yourselves. So they broke up the crowd into sections, Jesus blessed his disciples and sent them among the people to teach them everything they already learned from Jesus. The crowd was satisfied and Jesus ended up with 12 baskets full of uneaten pieces representing the 12 disciples he ended up with who accepted what the crowd couldn't swallow, "uneaten pieces". Ta da! A miracle! lol.

See? Nothing supernatural. No suspension of disbelief and no blind faith required. Satisfied?

I will now take a bow.

You didn't even address the Law as it is written. You just dodged, again. It's kind of like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't make any moves, just struts around the board knocking over the pieces, thinking it's winning.

 

[hobelim]

You didn't even address the Law as it is written. You just dodged, again. It's kind of like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't make any moves, just struts around the board knocking over the pieces, thinking it's winning.

Is that the best you can do?

Are you as perverse as ding who is terminally obsessed with the sex lives of other people to the point where you dodged addressing what I did reveal which is irresistible and irrefutable?

Proving there was nothing supernatural about that miracle, sign, that Jesus was the Messiah.

Thats a shame!

 

[hadit]

You are just wrong. The gospel according to Philip found among the Nag Hammadi scrolls in north Africa tell a different story than your delusional "belief" that Jesus had no human father.

"The lord would never say, “My father who is in heaven” unless he had another father. He would have simply said, “My father."

Thats the way the cookie crumbles.

What then?

And you've steadfastly ignored Daniel's vision of the risen Lord taking his seat next to the Father and receiving glory and honor in God's presence. See, here's where your narrative falls apart. You claim that Scripture is NOT to be read literally, EVER, then you turn around and claim THIS verse is not to be interpreted with the rest of what Jesus claimed about Himself, NOT to be viewed in the context of the rest of Scripture that makes it clear Jesus is God, no, this is to be taken literally, so literally that it overwhelms the entirety of Scripture.

Do you not realize that you created the very quicksand in which you are now sinking?

 

[hadit]

Is that the best you can do?

Thats a shame!

And you take another lap around the board.

 

[hobelim]

And you've steadfastly ignored Daniel's vision of the risen Lord taking his seat next to the Father and receiving glory and honor in God's presence.

Giving glory and honor to the man chosen by God to reveal all of his commands does in no way equate with that man, a human being, being God. Honoring Jesus is giving glory to God because God was the source of his being and everything he taught he learned from God.

 

[hobelim]

Do you not realize that you created the very quicksand in which you are now sinking?

I showed you your error in claiming that African gospels do not contradict the four canonical gospels compiled by Rome and you deflect with a vision of Daniel and then think that I am sinking in quicksand? Now thats funny, but its really more shameful dishonest and pathetic.

From where I stand on solid ground I see you flailing about on fire clinging the the religious flotsam of a dying age. So have a good drown as you slowly disintegrate into nothingness.

 

[hadit]

Giving glory and honor to the man chosen by God to reveal all of his commands does in no way equate with that man, a human being, being God. Honoring Jesus is giving glory to God because God was the source of his being and everything he taught he learned from God.

You seem to think that God would allow someone other than Himself to receive glory and honor that is due to Him. Where does He ever do that? That in fact was the attitude that got Satan kicked out of heaven, because he wanted to be like the Most High.

 

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I will show you the story hidden by the language used in the miracle of the loaves. Then you can either remain in hell, the realm of the dead, or STFU and rise from your Roman grave.

"When he came ashore, he saw a great crowd; and his heart went out to them, because they were like sheep without a shepherd AND HE HAD MUCH TO TEACH THEM. (Mark 6:34)

This shows the concern of Jesus was teaching. At that time Jesus had only 7 disciples represented by 5 loaves and 2 fish; bread a known metaphor for teaching, fish a known metaphor for a follower of Jesus. When asked how they were going to "feed" so many people Jesus said, "Feed them yourselves," Meaning teach them yourselves. So they broke up the crowd into sections, Jesus blessed his disciples and sent them among the people to teach them everything they already learned from Jesus. The crowd was satisfied and Jesus ended up with 12 baskets full of uneaten pieces representing the 12 disciples he ended up with who accepted what the crowd couldn't swallow, "uneaten pieces". Ta da! A miracle! lol.

See? Nothing supernatural. No suspension of disbelief and no blind faith required. Satisfied?

I will now take a bow.

Show me the hidden meaning in all these commands. Share your perverted wisdom with the world.

6 None of you shall approach a close to have sexual intercourse. I am the LORD.

7* You shall not disgrace your father by having intercourse with your mother.c She is your own mother; you shall not have intercourse with her.

8You shall not have intercourse with your father’s wife, for that would be a disgrace to your father.

9You shall not have intercourse with your sister,* d your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in your own household or born elsewhere.

10You shall not have intercourse with your son’s daughter or with your daughter’s daughter,* for that would be a disgrace to you.

11You shall not have intercourse with the daughter whom your father’s wife bore to him in his household,e since she, too, is your sister.

12You shall not have intercourse with your father’s sister,f since she is your father’s relative.

13You shall not have intercourse with your mother’s sister, since she is your mother’s relative.

14You shall not disgrace your father’s brother by having sexual relations with his wife,g since she, too, is your aunt.

15You shall not have intercourse with your daughter-in-law;* h she is your son’s wife; you shall not have intercourse with her.

16You shall not have intercourse with your brother’s wife;* i that would be a disgrace to your brother.

17You shall not have intercourse with a woman and also with her daughter, nor shall you marry and have intercourse with her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter;j they are related to her. This would be shameful.

18While your wife is still living you shall not marry her sister as her rival and have intercourse with her.k

19You shall not approach a woman to have intercourse with her while she is in her menstrual uncleanness.l

20You shall not have sexual relations with your neighbor’s wife,* m defiling yourself with her.

21n You shall not offer any of your offspring for immolation to Molech,* thus profaning the name of your God. I am the LORD.

22You shall not lie with a male as with a woman;o such a thing is an abomination.

23You shall not have sexual relations with an animal, defiling yourself with it; nor shall a woman set herself in front of an animal to mate with it; that is perverse.p

 

[hadit]

I showed you your error in claiming that African gospels do not contradict the four canonical gospels compiled by Rome and you deflect with a vision of Daniel and then think that I am sinking in quicksand? Now thats funny, but its really more shameful dishonest and pathetic.

From where I stand on solid ground I see you flailing about on fire clinging the the religious flotsam of a dying age. So have a good drown as you slowly disintegrate into nothingness.

Do the people who read and live by what those gospels say claim that they are not to be taken literally in any sense, or do you still maintain that you alone, after thousands of years of total ignorance, have discovered the only truth?

 

[hadit]

Show me the hidden meaning in all these commands. Share your perverted wisdom with the world.

6 None of you shall approach a close to have sexual intercourse. I am the LORD.

7* You shall not disgrace your father by having intercourse with your mother.c She is your own mother; you shall not have intercourse with her.

8You shall not have intercourse with your father’s wife, for that would be a disgrace to your father.

9You shall not have intercourse with your sister,* d your father’s daughter or your mother’s daughter, whether she was born in your own household or born elsewhere.

10You shall not have intercourse with your son’s daughter or with your daughter’s daughter,* for that would be a disgrace to you.

11You shall not have intercourse with the daughter whom your father’s wife bore to him in his household,e since she, too, is your sister.

12You shall not have intercourse with your father’s sister,f since she is your father’s relative.

13You shall not have intercourse with your mother’s sister, since she is your mother’s relative.

14You shall not disgrace your father’s brother by having sexual relations with his wife,g since she, too, is your aunt.

15You shall not have intercourse with your daughter-in-law;* h she is your son’s wife; you shall not have intercourse with her.

16You shall not have intercourse with your brother’s wife;* i that would be a disgrace to your brother.

17You shall not have intercourse with a woman and also with her daughter, nor shall you marry and have intercourse with her son’s daughter or her daughter’s daughter;j they are related to her. This would be shameful.

18While your wife is still living you shall not marry her sister as her rival and have intercourse with her.k

19You shall not approach a woman to have intercourse with her while she is in her menstrual uncleanness.l

20You shall not have sexual relations with your neighbor’s wife,* m defiling yourself with her.

21n You shall not offer any of your offspring for immolation to Molech,* thus profaning the name of your God. I am the LORD.

22You shall not lie with a male as with a woman;o such a thing is an abomination.

23You shall not have sexual relations with an animal, defiling yourself with it; nor shall a woman set herself in front of an animal to mate with it; that is perverse.p

Who knows, a miracle may occur and he/she may actually address them.

 

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Who knows, a miracle may occur and he/she may actually address them.

Maybe, but I won't be holding my breath.

 

[hobelim]

You seem to think that God would allow someone other than Himself to receive glory and honor that is due to Him.

Uh, yes.

Why would God mind if a man worthy of honor and praise be given honor and praise? Especially when giving them honor and praise honors God who taught Jesus what to say and how to say it?

Is your trinity that diddled a virgin to become a mangod a petty and insecure narcissist?
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That would explain a lot.

 

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Uh, yes.

Why would God mind if a man worthy of honor and praise be given honor and praise? Especially when giving them honor and praise honors God who taught him what to say and how to say it?

Is you trinity that diddled a virgin to become a mangod a petty and insecure narcissist?
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Thats would explain a lot.

Says the guy who thinks 22 commands against having improper sexual relations are really 22 commands about condoning improper sexual relations.

 

[hobelim]

do you still maintain that you alone, after thousands of years of total ignorance, have discovered the only truth?

Listen dude. You have the entire internet at your disposal. AI and such shit. Even libraries. lol. Go and see if anyone else, billions of people over thousands of years, has ever said that by saying "eat my flesh" Jesus was making a direct reference to Kosher Law, that it is not to be taken literally, the subject of flesh, whether clean or unclean, is not about food but teaching.

Tertullian, an ante Nicene father, is the only one that comes close and he died around 250ce.

Then come back and try to tell me that I am wrong, even though all the pieces fit perfectly.

Take your time...

 

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Go and see if anyone else has ever said that by saying "eat my flesh" Jesus was showing that kosher Law is not to be taken literally the subject of flesh whether clean or unclean is not about food but teaching.

Can you use AI to show the 22 commands forbidding improper sexual relations weren't commands forbidding improper sexual relations?

 

[hadit]

Uh, yes.

Why would God mind if a man worthy of honor and praise be given honor and praise? Especially when giving them honor and praise honors God who taught him what to say and how to say it?

Is you trinity that diddled a virgin to become a mangod a petty and insecure narcissist?
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Thats would explain a lot.

He alone is worthy of glory, honor and praise.

Listen dude. You have the entire internet at your disposal. AI and such shit. Even libraries. lol. Go and see if anyone else, billions of people over thousands of years, has ever said that by saying "eat my flesh" Jesus was making a direct reference to Kosher Law, that it is not to be taken literally, the subject of flesh, whether clean or unclean, is not about food but teaching.

Tertullian, an ante Nicene father, is the only one that comes close and he died around 250ce.

Then come back and try to tell me that I am wrong, even though all the pieces fit perfectly.

Take your time...

IOW, yes, you DO believe you are the only one to get it, as evidenced by your citing Tertullian, who you claim "is the only one that comes close". See, words mean things and it doesn't matter how accustomed you are to just assigning arbitrary meanings to words.

 

[hobelim]

IOW, yes, you DO believe you are the only one to get it, as evidenced by your citing Tertullian, who you claim "is the only one that comes close".

Congratulations!

I'm sure it seemed just as unlikely when Jesus expected people to understand the same thing after 1000 years of following the Law according what he called "the traditions of men."

So you don't believe that God would choose one person to make his wisdom known? Who knew! Even though thats what happened to Moses and all the prophets, including Jesus.

Thanks for sharing!

 

[hobelim]

He alone is worthy of glory, honor and praise.

So you don't have any children? If you do I feel sorry for them.