Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?

[hobelim]

Your rationale is garbage. That's my point. You make up everything and nothing makes sense. You live in an imaginary world

Your position is that MY explanation for what actually happened during the miracle of the loaves, Jesus feeding 5000 people makes no sense to you? Copra sanctum! That's a shame.

Take another harder look. Then try to tell me that I, not you, lol, live in an imaginary world.

"When he came ashore, he saw a great crowd; and his heart went out to them, because they were like sheep without a shepherd AND HE HAD MUCH TO TEACH THEM. (Mark 6:34)

This shows the concern of Jesus was teaching. At that time Jesus had only 7 disciples represented by 5 loaves and 2 fish; bread a known metaphor for teaching, fish a known metaphor for a follower of Jesus. When asked how they were going to "feed" so many people Jesus said, "Feed them yourselves," Meaning teach them yourselves. So they broke up the crowd into sections, Jesus blessed his disciples and sent them among the people to teach them everything they already learned from Jesus. The crowd was satisfied and Jesus ended up with 12 baskets full of uneaten pieces representing the 12 disciples he ended up with who accepted what the crowd couldn't swallow, "uneaten pieces". Ta da! A miracle! lol."

Now pay the Piper.....or else, as the story goes.

 

[ding]

So your position is that MY explanation for what actually happened during the miracle of the loaves and Jesus "feeding" of 5000 people makes no sense to you? Copra sanctum!

Thats a shame. You do have my condolences.

If you are going to quote me, quote all of it because it explains everything.

Your rationale is garbage. That's my point. You make up everything and nothing makes sense. You live in an imaginary world where YOUR God didn't command that men butt ******* men is an abomination. You are a joke.

See^^^

My position is that every rationale you make is garbage. You make up everything, nothing you allege makes sense and you intentionally pervert the word of God for your own personal perversions.

 

[hobelim]

Your "explanation" is merely your attempt to explain away anything miraculous tied to Yeshua, the Son of God. You seem oddly obsessed with the idea that the Son of God is incapable of controlling the very creation He created.

You seem incapable of accepting the reality that God created. The title "Son of God" is just a relational metaphor for the prophet, a man, described in Deut 18:18 indicating an intimate knowledge of and closeness to God above that of other prophets called "servants of God".

 

[hadit]

You seem incapable of accepting the reality that God created. The Son of God is just a relational metaphor for the prophet described in Deuteronomy 18:18 indicating an intimate knowledge and closeness to God above that of other prophets called servants of God.

"Through Him all things were made and without Him nothing was made that has been made".

I'm sure you recognize that verse because you cannot allow it to stand unchanged. It very succinctly states that Jesus was involved in creating EVERYTHING that was created, which means He cannot be a created being, which in turn means He has always been. Now, who has always been, who is the beginning and the end? God Himself.

Here is where you regurgitate your version of what that verse says, your version that has been carefully crafted to avoid stating what I have just stated.

 

[hobelim]

I'm sure you recognize that verse because you cannot allow it to stand unchanged. It very succinctly states that Jesus was involved in creating EVERYTHING that was created

Jesus did say he was present "in the beginning" at "the creation of heaven and earth" which is not about watching the Big Bang, derp, but about being there as Divine Law came into the world as "a light to the nations" and amounts to a claim of being Moses in a former life.

Just like Jesus said that John the Baptist was once the prophet Elijah.

All of which has absolutely nothing at all to do with controlling the material universe. Putz.

Would you like to know what actually happened in the miracle of Jesus calming the storm?

Heads up! It was not about controlling the weather like ding in his imaginary world "believes"

And beware. Every time one of the seven seals placed on scripture preventing everyone from "looking inside" is broken, something happens. So remember, the marking of Gods servants occurs between the breaking of the 6th and 7th seals securing the faithful from destruction.

 

[hadit]

Jesus did say he was present "in the beginning" at "the creation of heaven and earth" which is not about watching the Big Bang, derp, but about being there as Divine Law came into the world as "a light to the nations" and amounts to a claim of being Moses in a former life.

Just like Jesus said that John the Baptist was once the prophet Elijah.

All of which has absolutely nothing at all to do with controlling the material universe. Putz.

Would you like to know what actually happened in the miracle of Jesus calming the storm?

Heads up! It was not about controlling the weather like ding in his imaginary world "believes"

And beware. Every time one of the seven seals placed on scripture preventing everyone from "looking inside" is broken, something happens. So remember, the marking of Gods servants occurs between the breaking of the 6th and 7th seals securing the faithful from destruction.

And, just as I said:

"Here is where you regurgitate your version of what that verse says, your version that has been carefully crafted to avoid stating what I have just stated."

At least you admit He was there when everything was created. Of course, you didn't realize you admitted He is an eternal being without beginning. It's a start.

 

[hobelim]

At least you admit He was there when everything was created. Of course, you didn't realize you admitted He is an eternal being without beginning. It's a start.

Wrong. What I said is that if what Jesus said was the truth, that he was present at THE CREATION OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, which is a story about the Law being given as "a light to the nations", then Jesus was saying that he was Moses, in a former existence, who was the only one there with my God on Mount Sinai when that light, Divine Law, was spoken into existence on this strange planet that was without shape or form (lawless) and void (pointless) and darkness (ignorance) covered the face of the deep (the unknown) for billions of years.

 

[hadit]

Wrong. What I said is that if what Jesus said was the truth, that he was present at THE CREATION OF HEAVEN AND EARTH, which is a story about the Law being given as "a light to the nations", then Jesus was saying that he was Moses, in a former existence, who was the only one there with my God on Mount Sinai when that light, Divine Law, was spoken into existence on this strange planet that was without shape or form (lawless) and void (pointless) and darkness (ignorance) covered the face of the deep (the unknown) for billions of years.

Scripture declares NOTHING was created without Him that was created. Sorry, you can't get around that.

 

[hobelim]

Scripture declares NOTHING was created without Him that was created. Sorry, you can't get around that

I'm not trying to get around anything. There would have been no Law given, no light to the nations, NO CREATION of HEAVEN AND EARTH, a world above and a world below, the Law being the firmament, basis, of Heaven, if Moses did not hear God's WORDS and act on it.

 

[Papageorgio]

Do you really feel Jesus Christ would support Trump and MAGA if alive today.
I have a hard time believing he would.
MAGA is the opposite of many of Jesus's key teachings.

• Jesus’s call for humility and service over power and wealth.
• His commands to love and care for outsiders and the disadvantaged
• Jesus never sought political office or power and urged His followers to seek God’s kingdom rather than worldly rule.
• His emphasis was on care, compassion, and justice for all people, especially the vulnerable.
• He challenged religious and political leaders alike when they ignored mercy and righteousness
• Love your neighbor as yourself.” (Mark 12:31)
• “I was a stranger and you welcomed me.” (Matthew 25:35)
• The Good Samaritan (Luke 10) centers moral duty on care for foreigners and enemies.
• Jesus rejects earthly power, status, and domination (Matthew 20:25–28).
• Jesus condemns deception and hypocrisy (Matthew 23).
• Jesus repeatedly warns against wealth and neglect of the poor (Luke 12, Luke 16).
• What mortal man does not realize we are all flawed and ask Jesus for forgiveness? Trump has said "Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?"
• 'Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; life does not consist in an abundance of possessions'” (Luke 12:15).

He wouldn’t support any candidate, republicans or democrats.

 

[hadit]

I'm not trying to get around anything. There would have been no Law given, no light to the nations, NO CREATION of HEAVEN AND EARTH, a world above and a world below, the Law being the firmament, basis, of Heaven, if Moses did not hear God's WORDS and act on it.

Jesus created everything that was created. That's what Scripture says, and you have presented no compelling reason to think otherwise.

 

[hobelim]

He wouldn’t support any candidate, republicans or democrats.

Yes, he would teach the difference between and angel and a demon, a talking serpent and a child of God, good and evil, life and death, and let the people get their shit together to do what is right.

 

[hadit]

Yes, he would teach the difference between and angel and a demon, a talking serpent and a child of God, good and evil, life and death, and let the people get their shit together to do what is right.

He said nothing about the oppressive Roman occupation, even in private to His disciples. He was apolitical.

 

[Papageorgio]

Yes, he would teach the difference between and angel and a demon, a talking serpent and a child of God, good and evil, life and death, and let the people get their shit together to do what is right.

If you claim so, go for that.

 

[hobelim]

Jesus created everything that was created. That's what Scripture says, and you have presented no compelling reason to think otherwise.

Wrong again. God created Heaven and earth and Moses was the only man there. Jesus said he was there at the creation therefore Jesus claimed to have been Moses in a former life.

Aside from that the story of the creation has absolutely nothing to do with the creation of anything material in nature.

 

[hobelim]

He said nothing about the oppressive Roman occupation, even in private to His disciples. He was apolitical.

Pft.

There is lots of information about the oppressive Roman occupation if you know how to look.

It is written that "Jesus was tempted by the devil while living in the wilderness among the wild beasts" saying that Jesus was living outside the reach of Jewish law, the wilderness, among the wild beasts, the Romans, presumably doing what Romans do in the wilderness. That explains his predilection to party with sinners, prostitutes, always seen in bad company. He wasn't a lonely ascetic having auditory and visual hallucinations in a desert wilderness.

In fact the entire Bible was written during oppression or exile or threat of extermination by nations more powerful and numerous so they spoke in code, like all demonized people do.

You couldn't say "don't listen to the Romans" without risking your life but you could say "do not eat the flesh of swine that do not ruminate" and the Romans would just think its funny.



As it was written Jesus said "do not throw your pearls to the swine". How is that apolitical?

Capisce?

 

[hadit]

Wrong again. God created Heaven and earth and Moses was the only man there. Jesus said he was there at the creation therefore Jesus claimed to have been Moses in a former life.

Wow, just wow.

Aside from that the story of the creation has absolutely nothing to do with the creation of anything material in nature.

Okay, now you're really wandering off into lala land. No where in Scripture does it say Moses was the only one there when Jesus created the universe. Remember, Scripture says very plainly and very explicitly that NOTHING that was created was created without Him. I didn't even reference Genesis.

You're getting wilder by the minute. Next you'll be claiming that Abraham wasn't a real man and that Sarah wasn't over 90 years old when she had Isaac. This ought to be entertaining at least.

 

[hobelim]

Wow, just wow.

Exactly!

 

[playtime]

That guy doesnt use facts and truth to win arguments. He is a disingenuous and intellectually dishonest debater. I dont listen to smart debaters who are also dishonest. If you dont have the honesty part, i have zero interest in you.

That guy will say whatever the **** he has to in order to win. People need to stop listening to ultra biased debaters who never acknowledge it when they are wrong. That shit is weak as ****.

JF has never said that he wasn't biased as ****. of course he's smart - & can back up everything he says biblically,

with
the
bible.

& he sure isn't a religious hypocrite who pretends to be a follower of jesus, like most so called (R)s who wear their crosses like they're exclusive membership cards.

Let me guess, you also think Brian Shapiro is great too?

who?

 

[Godboy]

JF has never said that he wasn't biased as ****. of course he's smart - & can back up everything he says biblically,

with
the
bible.

& he sure isn't a religious hypocrite who pretends to be a follower of jesus, like most so called (R)s who wear their crosses like they're exclusive membership cards.



who?

He is a buffoon in every segment ive ever seen him in. I just see him getting slapped around by Scott Jennings or people on Piers Morgans panels. He makes terrible arguments because, he is continuously debating from a dishonest position.