Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?

[ElmerMudd]

How have your morals been effected by President Trump? How have your children's? How about your neighbor's? The President runs a nation. Individuals each run their own personal lives. There hasn't been a single political ruler in my lifetime that has had any effect on my values or morals. I decide those, and as I am not a nation, no President has had any effect on them at all.

My morals want fairness for as many people as possible. Jesus focused on those in need. Trump focuses on those who have more than the have nots.
I see more people's lives negatively affected by Trump's actions than those helped by Trump's actions. I see the less fortunate, in the US and the world, more often, negatively affected by Trump's actions.
Read my initial post.

 

[Meriweather]

My morals want fairness for as many people as possible. Jesus focused on those in need. Trump focuses on those who have more than the have nots.
I see more people's lives negatively affected by Trump's actions than those helped by Trump's actions. I see the less fortunate, in the US and the world, more often, negatively affected by Trump's actions.
Read my initial post.

Name them.

Keep in mind, Jesus taught us individuals to take care of those at our door. Jesus did not teach us to let the government remove this burden from individual shoulders. Presidents manage and are responsible for the nations. Individuals are responsible for individuals, and it is not good for either the giver or the beneficiary to be deprived of this responsibility. You should not be looking for a government bureaucracy to relieve you of your personal responsibilities.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Name them.

Keep in mind, Jesus taught us individuals to take care of those at our door. Jesus did not teach us to let the government remove this burden from individual shoulders. Presidents manage and are responsible for the nations. Individuals are responsible for individuals, and it is not good for either the giver or the beneficiary to be deprived of this responsibility. You should not be looking for a government bureaucracy to relieve you of your personal responsibilities.

"take care of those at our door" Is our border our door?
I feel we need security at our border. I feel Jesus would focus on the needs of those at the border more than my needs or your needs.

We have a very different view of morality as defined by Christianity, than I do.

You represent the view of Trump Christianity, to me. That is not me.

You do you, I will do me.

 

[Meriweather]

"take care of those at our door" Is our border our door?
I feel we need security at our border. I feel Jesus would focus on the needs of those at the border more than my needs or your needs.

We have a very different view of morality as defined by Christianity, than I do.

You represent the view of Trump Christianity, to me. That is not me.

I don't know. Do you live on the border? I do not. On the other hand, there are Catholic churches in countries further away who are in need to whom I donate. I don't wait for the federal government to do it for me. There is a teen program in a town several miles away to whom I donate. I don't wait for the state or local governments to do it for me. I don't whine to the President, Governor, Mayor to give to those in need for me, any more than I tell a student in need to go to the Principal instead.

Your idea of running your money through a bureaucracy and whine about the political figures not giving to your causes is your idea of being a Christian. My idea is I see a need, I fill a need. Personally. I don't look around for someone to do it in my stead.

You must be aware of how much fraud takes place when government gets involved in good deeds? Governmental good deeds are easy places for fraud, and I am not in favor of further lining the rich pockets of the greedy.

 

[rightwinger]

Name them.

Keep in mind, Jesus taught us individuals to take care of those at our door. Jesus did not teach us to let the government remove this burden from individual shoulders. Presidents manage and are responsible for the nations. Individuals are responsible for individuals, and it is not good for either the giver or the beneficiary to be deprived of this responsibility. You should not be looking for a government bureaucracy to relieve you of your personal responsibilities.

What I know of Jesus is he would have encouraged Government to take care of their poor and sick.

Why wouldn’t he?

 

[ding]

What I know of Jesus is he would have encouraged Government to take care of their poor and sick.

Why wouldn’t he?

Jesus consistently taught spiritual transformation and non-resistance, emphasizing that His ultimate victory was spiritual, not political or military.

 

[Meriweather]

What I know of Jesus is he would have encouraged Government to take care of their poor and sick.

Why wouldn’t he?

Let's change this question to, Why didn't he?

Why didn't the Jesus you say you know speak to governments instead of spending his days among the poor? Why didn't he go to Caesar and the Roman Senate? Why didn't he speak to King Herod and Pontius Pilate? What was Jesus doing among the poor if you believe he should have concerned himself with governments?

 

[rightwinger]

Jesus consistently taught spiritual transformation and non-resistance, emphasizing that His ultimate victory was spiritual, not political or military.

The Jesus I know would support caring for the poor and sick regardless of who does it.

 

[luiza]

Do you really feel Jesus Christ would support Trump if alive today

So you now admit Jesus the Essene monk is actually dead .

A strange admission from a Cult Christian .

However I guess true Cult believers ( re-incarnationists etc ) probably think that the Essene and Trumpfy are one and the same soul .
Certainly both are very comical .

 

[rightwinger]

Let's change this question to, Why didn't he?

Why didn't the Jesus you say you know speak to governments instead of spending his days among the poor? Why didn't he go to Caesar and the Roman Senate? Why didn't he speak to King Herod and Pontius Pilate? What was Jesus doing among the poor if you believe he should have concerned himself with governments?

Why?

Because government served a different purpose back then
The people supported the king or ruling government
The idea that the king should help common people did not exist

 

[ding]

The Jesus I know would support caring for the poor and sick regardless of who does it.

Absolutely, but he wouldn't politicize it are fob it off on someone else. If you believe you are nourishing your spirit by taking political stances you are lying to yourself. That's just lip service. Lastly, he said we will always have the poor and that the flesh is of no avail. Clearly his focus wasn't on the material world. Easing suffering in the material world is a means to an end with the end being progressing in spirit.

 

[norwegen]

What I know of Jesus is he would have encouraged Government to take care of their poor and sick.

Why wouldn’t he?

The Jesus of the Bible didn't do that.

Why would he have?

 

[Meriweather]

Why?

Because government served a different purpose back then
The people supported the king or ruling government
The idea that the king should help common people did not exist

Ben Franklin: God helps those who help themselves. (Which is another view of God.)

God helps the common people today. We--not governments--hold his interest and his attention. God has always asked the people to help one another. Should we the people shrug off our responsibility? Should we say, No we don't wanna, let it be on government shoulders? Knowing, of course, how perfectly government runs everything.

 

[rightwinger]

Ben Franklin: God helps those who help themselves. (Which is another view of God.)

God helps the common people today. We--not governments--hold his interest and his attention. God has always asked the people to help one another. Should we the people shrug off our responsibility? Should we say, No we don't wanna, let it be on government shoulders? Knowing, of course, how perfectly government runs everything.

Why not both?

Your stance on helping the poor is disappointing
I thought your religion took priority over your conservatism

LIke most conservatives, I see it doesn’t

 

[Meriweather]

Why not both?

Your stance on helping the poor is disappointing
I thought your religion took priority over your conservatism

LIke most conservatives, I see it doesn’t

Then you are not listening. I advocate personal involvement that goes directly to poor without a portion of it going to pay government salaries to get help to the poor and without those working frauds/cons getting their hands into the public purse along the way. You know this happens, both in our government's hands and at the hands of the governments where this money goes. And knowing this happens, you let it, patting yourself on the back because, after all, you can say you are in favor of helping the poor--that is, the pittance that actually gets there. Pat-pat-pat-pat. Feel better?

 

[rightwinger]

Then you are not listening. I advocate personal involvement that goes directly to poor without a portion of it going to pay government salaries to get help to the poor and without those working frauds/cons getting their hands into the public purse along the way. You know this happens, both in our government's hands and at the hands of the governments where this money goes. And knowing this happens, you let it, patting yourself on the back because, after all, you can say you are in favor of helping the poor--that is, the pittance that actually gets there. Pat-pat-pat-pat. Feel better?

Same thing
One pocket is the same as another

DO you think charities do not have overhead?

 

[Correll]

Several things:

1. Jesus said nothing about the Roman leaders, either in support or against, therefore there is no reason to think He would express an opinion about TRUMP!. Irrelevant question.
.....

Boo-yah.

So, we can assume that Jesus would say NOTHING about Trump. What ever he did say, would be about people's SOULS, and getting into HEAVEN.

 

[JimH52]

Jesus would be sad. He knows a man’s heart. Need I say more?

 

[Meriweather]

Same thing
One pocket is the same as another

DO you think charities do not have overhead?

Do the research. Some charities are better than others at the amount that reach the poor. All are better than the federal government.

 

[rightwinger]

Do the research. Some charities are better than others at the amount that reach the poor. All are better than the federal government.

Not true

No Charity has the capability of handling public assistance the way the government can. Charities are hit or miss and many fall through the cracks