Zone1 Would Jesus support Donald Trump if alive today?

[ElmerMudd]

I understand. However...how about those who are in such dire need, they have no way to reach our borders? Drug cartels and sex traffickers should not have free reign, which is why there should be a viable process for immigration, and certainly not open borders. Those searching out life in the United States should have their process. The United States should have their process for reaching out to those in dire need.

I am referring those "in need" everywhere.

 

[The Irish Ram]

He would definitely condemn trump. He would condemn Americas past and current politicians. Probably 98% of them.

Genesis 12:3; 28:14 I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse;​

We have been a blessed nation for allowing the Jews that are forced out of nation after nation to come here. And America's cup overflowed.
We see that our circumstances are changing and antisemitism is rearing its ugly head and our blessings are waning. If we don't support Israel in the upcoming war, then we will be judged as harshly as the other nations who will be invading Israel.
So far, Trump is on the right side.

 

[ElmerMudd]

Genesis 12:3; 28:14 I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse;​

We have been a blessed nation for allowing the Jews that are forced out of nation after nation to come here. And America's cup overflowed.
We see that our circumstances are changing and antisemitism is rearing its ugly head and our blessings are waning. If we don't support Israel in the upcoming war, then we will be judged as harshly as the other nations who will be invading Israel.
So far, Trump is on the right side.

"Allowing Jews to come in"? Are you kidding me!!!!!!! Besides native Americans, we are all immigrants, including your family at some point. Jews have as much right as anyone, to be in our nation.
What an out of touch, arrogant, disgusting comment. Who do you think you are?!?!?!

 

[The Irish Ram]

Someone who knows history. And also knows that what we call Native Americans are Siberians.

Note that we are not listed in the countries that ran the Jews out:
AI

1. 1. Spain - Expulsion in 1492 during the Spanish Inquisition.
   2. Portugal - Forced conversions and expulsion in the late 15th century.
   3. England - Expulsion in 1290, lifted in 1655.
   4. France - Multiple expulsions, notably in 1306 and 1394.
   5. Russia - Pogroms and restrictions led to mass emigration in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
   6. Germany - Expulsions during the Middle Ages and the Nazi regime in the 20th century.
   7. Arab countries - Post-1948, many Jews were forced to leave due to rising anti-Semitism.
   8. Poland - Significant emigration after World War II due to persecution.
   9. Austria - Expulsion of Jews during the Nazi annexation in 1938.
   10. Hungary - Forced migrations during the Holocaust and post-war period.

No one has a right to waltz into the United States. We have immigration laws to decide who to let in and who not to. The first being in 1790.
While other countries expelled the Jews, we did not. They lived here without fear of being killed just because they were Jewish. We took them in when the world kicked them out of their homelands...

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[ElmerMudd]

Someone who knows history. And also knows that what we call Native Americans are Siberians.

Note that we are not listed in the countries that ran the Jews out:
AI

1. 1. Spain - Expulsion in 1492 during the Spanish Inquisition.
   2. Portugal - Forced conversions and expulsion in the late 15th century.
   3. England - Expulsion in 1290, lifted in 1655.
   4. France - Multiple expulsions, notably in 1306 and 1394.
   5. Russia - Pogroms and restrictions led to mass emigration in the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
   6. Germany - Expulsions during the Middle Ages and the Nazi regime in the 20th century.
   7. Arab countries - Post-1948, many Jews were forced to leave due to rising anti-Semitism.
   8. Poland - Significant emigration after World War II due to persecution.
   9. Austria - Expulsion of Jews during the Nazi annexation in 1938.
   10. Hungary - Forced migrations during the Holocaust and post-war period.

No one has a right to waltz into the United States. We have immigration laws to decide who to let in and who not to. The first being in 1790.
While other countries expelled the Jews, we did not. They lived here without fear of being killed just because they were Jewish. We took them in when the world kicked them out of their homelands...

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Patting yourself on the back for "allowing the Jews to come in" and "not kicking them out" is like giving yourself a pat on the back on the back for not being a murderer.
You don't get it.
Have you read the declaration of independence?
"All men are created equal with unalienable rights, including Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, and governments exist to secure these rights. "
We don't segment people out by race, nationality or religion. When someone goes through the immigration process their religion makes no difference.

We are all God's children. Quit acting like you are someone who is above others.

 

[DennisPTate]

Do you really feel Jesus Christ would support Trump and MAGA if alive today.
I have a hard time believing he would.
MAGA is the opposite of many of Jesus's key teachings.

• Jesus’s call for humility and service over power and wealth.
• His commands to love and care for outsiders and the disadvantaged
• Jesus never sought political office or power and urged His followers to seek God’s kingdom rather than worldly rule.
• His emphasis was on care, compassion, and justice for all people, especially the vulnerable.
• He challenged religious and political leaders alike when they ignored mercy and righteousness
• Love your neighbor as yourself.” (Mark 12:31)
• “I was a stranger and you welcomed me.” (Matthew 25:35)
• The Good Samaritan (Luke 10) centers moral duty on care for foreigners and enemies.
• Jesus rejects earthly power, status, and domination (Matthew 20:25–28).
• Jesus condemns deception and hypocrisy (Matthew 23).
• Jesus repeatedly warns against wealth and neglect of the poor (Luke 12, Luke 16).
• What mortal man does not realize we are all flawed and ask Jesus for forgiveness? Trump has said "Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?"
• 'Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; life does not consist in an abundance of possessions'” (Luke 12:15).

Good question. Many ideas that "conservatives" have are terribly in error but President Donald J. Trump is the leader who is being used to break captives free in America and in all other nations as well.

I do believe that President Trump is some sort of a modern "Cyrus" political leader.

A near death experiencer from Uganda was shown some interesting insights about the mission that President Trump is on.

Eporu Ronald Alfred

Kakira Deliverance Church,
P.O. Box 3191, Kakira, Jinja, Uganda

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Dear brethren,
I salute you in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ!

RE: SHARING NEW DISCOVERIES OF THE TRUTH IN BIBLE PROPHECY CONCERNING THE IMMINENT HEALING AND UNITY OF THE CHURCH

I am mesmerized by the truth in bible prophecy that the Spirit of God has been revealing over the recent years. Secret things belong to God and those that are revealed belong to us and our children... (Deut 29: 29).

1. King Cyrus the great ruled his country 555 years Before Christ i.e. from 576 BC to 530 BC and authorised the rebuilding of the second temple in Jerusalem. Cyrus of the Old Testament is hence associated with the number 555 and is the shadow figure of incoming Cyrus II of the New Testament. You may learn more about his history from the internet and scriptures. This new truth enables us to identify the leadership of the world that will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem as prophesied in book of Isaiah before the rise of antichrist. Cyrus II is coming to revive the evangelical/Pentecostal church in Jerusalem and restore the headquarters of the church in same city where the church was born. He is set to strip Babylon of the vessels of the temple and the name of the Lord God and transfer that crown back to Jerusalem thus leaving Babylon naked. Cyrus will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem in fulfilment of the prophecy of Jesus as written in the book of John 2:18-23 and the prophecy of Isaiah as written in chapters 40, 41, 45 and 47 of the book of Isaiah. Jesus regarded the temple as the symbol of his own body while saying that he had the power to lay it down on the first day (1st millennium) and rebuild or raise it up on the 3rd day (3rd millennium). Remember that one day in the eyes of God is the same as one thousand years (millennium) as stated in book of 2 Peter 3:8. Rebuilding of the temple is thus associated with unification of the church.

Cyrus II will rebuild the temple in honour of our lord Jesus Christ. The temple will be the unifying (rallying) point of the world wide evangelical church as the original headquarters of the church. Psalms133 denotes that there is such a powerful anointing that comes along with unity among brethren. Unification of the whole body of Jesus Christ will make the church so powerful that she will overrun the world within a short time before the return of our lord Jesus Christ. A divided church is a powerless church whereas a united church is a powerful church. The church can only be able to fulfil her ultimate mission of revealing Jesus to the world once we get united as one body of Jesus Christ following his last prayer for his disciples as written in John 17:20-23.

Cyrus II will erase that false image of Jesus that the counterfeit and Idolatrous state church of Babylon has been projecting around the world and revive the original church that projects the true brilliant image of Jesus Christ. Haggai 2:9 says that the glory of the latter church (temple) will be greater than the glory of the former church (temple).The rise of Cyrus will also usher in the ultimate fulfilment of the prophecy of Joel 2:28 where God intends to pour out His Spirit on all flesh in these last days. The era of Cyrus brings the gentile period of grace to its close and leads to the restoration of the Jewish period of grace and salvation.




2. King Manasseh was the shadow figure (forerunner) of the antichrist in the Old Testament who ruled over Jerusalem exactly 666 years Before Christ i.e. from 697 BC to 642 BC. (2 chronicle 33: 1-2 and 2 kings 21: 1-17). Antichrist is associated with the number 666 as written in the book of Revelation 13:18. Manasseh was the most evil king to have ever ruled over the city of Jerusalem and kingdom of Judah.

Manasseh is reported to have killed so many innocent people in Jerusalem that the streets of Jerusalem were flowing with blood; he worshiped pagan idols and stars; he built pagan alters for idols and stars in the very courtyards of the temple; he sacrificed his sons to idols; he consulted diviners and mediums; he even set up an abominable pagan image at the temple that causes desolation just as the incoming antichrist will do. It was on that basis that God decided to have that first temple destroyed completely since Manasseh had desecrated it.



3. Prophet Jonah was the shadow figure (forerunner) of Jesus Christ in the Old Testament who undertook his prophetic ministry around 777 B.C. Prophet Jonah is hence associated with the number 777. He arose from the shadow and demise of Prophet Elisha. His preaching radiated such great power and authority that turned the city of Nineveh as the rising super power of that time up side down within 3 days only (read the book of Jonah). Jonah was the prophetic force behind the restoration of the lost territories of Israel in the reign of King Jeroboam II of Israel between 782 BC and 741 BC as written in II Kings 14:25. Jonah related with God more or less as his own father and God loved him more or less as His own son. He volunteered to die save occupants of the ship and was raised to life after three days just like Jesus Christ. Jesus compared himself with Jonah as his forerunner in the Old Testament as far as his earthly ministry, death and resurrection was concerned in Mathew 12; 38-41, Luke 11; 29-32. Jesus will also oversee the restoration of the lost territories of Israel just like prophet Jonah when he comes to rule as the king of kings and Lord of Lords. We can therefore correctly associate Jesus Christ with the number 777 just like Jonah as our commander-in-chief, Lord of the Sabbath and fountain of life.

The more we know where we came from the more we know where we are going. You are cordially invited to visit my face book home page for more information and messages. Feel free to share this truth with other brethren just as I received it free of charge from God.

Your brother in Christ

Eporu Ronald
Scientist & Minister of Bible Prophecy

 

[The Irish Ram]

Patting yourself on the back for "allowing the Jews to come in" and "not kicking them out" is like giving yourself a pat on the back on the back for not being a murderer.
You don't get it.
Have you read the declaration of independence?
"All men are created equal with unalienable rights, including Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, and governments exist to secure these rights. "
We don't segment people out by race, nationality or religion. When someone goes through the immigration process their religion makes no difference.

We are all God's children. Quit acting like you are someone who is above others.

It is history, and has nothing to do with patting myself on the back, you dumb ass. It is the difference between our fundamental rights and personal freedoms vs the other countries. They kicked the Jews out, we took the Jews in. That is just a matter of fact.
So, tell me, which of the countries that expelled Jews from their country were operating under OUR Constitution? Have you ever read the French rights? You know why? Because their rights have 0 to do with our rights. Our Constitution pertains to us. If our rights pertain to everyone's, then there would not have been a need for Ellis Island.
We have requirements for entering our land. All men may be created equal in this country. Definitely not all countries. Our founding fathers were not referring to men in China, or Russia or France.

And we are NOT all God's children:

1John 3:10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil.

John 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.​

 

[OODA_Loop]

If Jesus hates Trump…..

Why did he let him survive two democrat assassins?

 

[ElmerMudd]

It is history, and has nothing to do with patting myself on the back, you dumb ass. It is the difference between our fundamental rights and personal freedoms vs the other countries. They kicked the Jews out, we took the Jews in. That is just a matter of fact.
So, tell me, which of the countries that expelled Jews from their country were operating under OUR Constitution? Have you ever read the French rights? You know why? Because their rights have 0 to do with our rights. Our Constitution pertains to us. If our rights pertain to everyone's, then there would not have been a need for Ellis Island.
All men may be created equal in this country. Definitely not all countries. Our founding fathers were not referring to men in China, or Russia or France.

And we are NOT all God's children:

1John 3:10 By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil.

John 1:12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.​

That is notrhing but hyperbole. This is a religous thread, not a political thread.
Countries who have thrown jews out and accepted them in over the years has varieed substantially. When the western christian countries started being hostile toward jews, the islamic countries brought them in. Why do you think there are so many eastern european jews.

 

[ElmerMudd]

If Jesus hates Trump…..

Why did he let him survive two democrat assassins?

Nobody says Jesus hates Trump. The question is would Jesus support Trump's policies.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Nobody says Jesus hates Trump. The question is would Jesus support Trump's policies.

Removing illegal invaders ?

Yup

 

[The Irish Ram]

the islamic countries brought them in.

Are you nuts?
Muhammad, the founder of Islam, traveled to Medina in 622 A.D. to attract followers to his new faith. When the Jews of Medina refused to convert and rejected Muhammad, two of the major Jewish tribes were expelled; in 627, Muhammad's followers killed between 600 and 900 of the men, and divided the surviving Jewish women and children amongst themselves.

Apparently, all men are not created equal in Medina. Not then, not now...

 

[The Irish Ram]

This is a religous thread, not a political thread

Nobody says Jesus hates Trump. The question is would Jesus support Trump's policies.

Religious and political. Jesus religious ~ Trump political.

 

[hobelim]

That's not what you said first. I love watching you squirm when you get caught with your pants down.

Yeah, that’s what I said. The event was staged. There were only three possibilities and I broke it down so even a child would understand.. The event being stage is the only rational possibility.

Personally, I love it when you think you’ve won something, but you have only made yourself look like a fool

If you weren’t such an asshole, I would feel sorry for you

 

[hobelim]

Patting yourself on the back for "allowing the Jews to come in" and "not kicking them out" is like giving yourself a pat on the back on the back for not being a murderer.
You don't get it.
Have you read the declaration of independence?
"All men are created equal with unalienable rights, including Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, and governments exist to secure these rights. "
We don't segment people out by race, nationality or religion. When someone goes through the immigration process their religion makes no difference.

We are all God's children. Quit acting like you are someone who is above others.

She neglected to mention that there were a lot of Nazi sympathizers here, antisemitism was endorsed by the church, and Jew jumping was a national sport., the US did not do a damn thing to help the Jewish people being slaughtered in Germany until after Pearl Harbor was attacked.

In fact, thousands of Jewish refugees were turned away

 

[hobelim]

Good question. Many ideas that "conservatives" have are terribly in error but President Donald J. Trump is the leader who is being used to break captives free in America and in all other nations as well.

I do believe that President Trump is some sort of a modern "Cyrus" political leader.

The only reason Trump is in office is because he is easily bought and is an ego maniacal pervert and many people of vast means have leverage on him.

This is a final stage of a long planned thought out coup for the wealthy elite all around the world in whatever country conspired to take over the United States so they can remain little Caesars over their own dictatorships. By telling people what to think what to buy who to vote for after polarizing the public for decades, marginalizing and victimizing immigrants, degrading the free press intellectuals comedians and liberal thinkers so nobody knows what the truth is anymore creating chaos so then nobody cares about human rights creating a climate for some bought and sold pompous ass to come in and promise “to restore law and order” a Hitler slogan.

 

[ding]

Yeah, that’s what I said. The event was staged. There were only three possibilities and I broke it down so even a child would understand.. The event being stage is the only rational possibility.

Personally, I love it when you think you’ve won something, but you have only made yourself look like a fool

If you weren’t such an asshole, I would feel sorry for you

The assassination attempt wasn't staged. There is no evidence, from any official investigation or credible news source, that the Secret Service staged the July 2024 assassination attempt on Donald Trump. The assassin was shot dead by a secret service counter-sniper. Reviews by Homeland Security, the Government Accountability Office, and a Senate committee identified significant failures in the Secret Service's planning and execution of security for the rally, including poor communication, a lack of specific guidance, and a failure to secure the elevated position used by the gunman. Six Secret Service agents were suspended and the agency's director resigned. For you to suggest the Secret Service was involved in conspiracy to commit fraud by staging a fake assassination is idiotic. But you keep doubling down on your stupid and I'll keep being the asshole who rubs your nose in your stupidity.

 

[ding]

The only reason Trump is in office is because he is easily bought and is an ego maniacal pervert and many people of vast means have leverage on him.

This is a final stage of a long planned thought out coup for the wealthy elite all around the world in whatever country conspired to take over the United States so they can remain little Caesars over their own dictatorships. By telling people what to think what to buy who to vote for after polarizing the public for decades, marginalizing and victimizing immigrants, degrading the free press intellectuals comedians and liberal thinkers so nobody knows what the truth is anymore creating chaos so then nobody cares about human rights creating a climate for some bought and sold pompous ass to come in and promise “to restore law and order” a Hitler slogan.

The reason Trump is in office is because he is a populist president whose campaign message resonated with a majority of Americans who were upset with the direction of government. As near as I can tell he is doing everything he said he would do. If you want to blame anyone blame the left who riled up a majority of Americans who disagreed with the direction government was going.

 

[IM2]

Where? You know that doesn't work with me.

All of it.

 

[ding]

She neglected to mention that there were a lot of Nazi sympathizers here, antisemitism was endorsed by the church, and Jew jumping was a national sport., the US did not do a damn thing to help the Jewish people being slaughtered in Germany until after Pearl Harbor was attacked.

In fact, thousands of Jewish refugees were turned away

Israel, particularly its Jewish majority and right-leaning political factions, largely supports Donald Trump due to his strong pro-Israel policies during his presidency, viewing him as better for their security and interests compared to other U.S. leaders, though some critics note his "America First" approach can create complex dynamics. Polls consistently show high approval for Trump among Israeli Jews, especially those with strong religious views, and even opposition supporters prefer him for security, reflecting a significant divergence from typical U.S. partisan divides.

Key Indicators of Israeli Support:

• Public Opinion Polls: Frequent surveys, like those by the Brookings Institution and the Israel Democracy Institute, show majorities of Jewish Israelis favor Trump over rivals like Biden or Harris, often by wide margins
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• • Political Alignment: Supporters of Israeli ruling parties, aligned with Prime Minister Netanyahu, overwhelmingly prefer Trump for both U.S. leadership and Israel's security, notes an ABC News report.
  • Policy Preferences: Israelis see Trump as more aligned with their security needs, especially regarding Iran and regional stability, according to analyses from the Carnegie Endowment and The Economist.

Reasons for Support:

• Pro-Israel Actions: Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital, moving the U.S. embassy, and withdrawing from the Iran nuclear deal (JCPOA) were major wins for many Israelis, points out Brookings.
• Perceived Strength: Israelis often view Trump as a decisive leader willing to challenge adversaries like Iran, a stance favored by many in Israel, according to CNN and The Washington Institute.

Nuances and Counterpoints:

• Ethnic Divide: While Jewish Israelis strongly favor Trump, a majority of Arab Israelis generally do not, according to a Pew Research Center analysis.
• "Pro-Trump" vs. "Pro-Israel": Some analysts argue Trump's support is more about his transactional style and focus on U.S. interests (like a strong Israel as a regional partner) rather than pure altruism, notes Carnegie Endowment.