Worried about Corona virus? ... USA Flu season so far: 12K deaths, 22M sick

[Denizen]

Flu appears to be more deadly in the USA than the Coronavirus.

1000 deaths in China v 12,000 flu deaths in the USA. If the USA had the same population as China that number would extrapolate to 51,000+ US flu deaths. The flu season is not over yet so the numbers could rise.

Why is the USA so excited about Coronavirus and not so excited by flu?

Flu season so far: 12K deaths, 22M sick

Flu season so far: 12K deaths, 22M sick

By Ed Payne | Updated: Fri 12:30 PM, Feb 07, 2020

ATLANTA (Gray News) – Flu activity across the U.S. has increased over the last three weeks, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Friday.

Flu was widespread in Puerto Rico and 48 states. In Hawaii, Oregon, the District of Columbia and the U.S. Virgin Islands, the outbreaks were less active. (Source: CDC)
Rates among children and young adults remain higher than in recent flu seasons.

A total of 78 influenza-associated deaths in children have been reported so far this season. That’s an increase of 14 since last week’s report.

The CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 12,000 deaths, 22 million illnesses and 210,000 hospitalizations from flu.

Flu was widespread in Puerto Rico and 48 states. In Hawaii, Oregon, the District of Columbia and the U.S. Virgin Islands, the outbreaks are less active.

Flu shots are recommended for everyone 6 months of age and older.

It takes about two weeks for antibodies to develop and provide protection against the flu after your vaccination.

The CDC said it expects flu season to continue through February.

 

[theHawk]

Flu appears to be more deadly in the USA than the Coronavirus.

1000 deaths in China v 12,000 flu deaths in the USA. If the USA had the same population as China that number would extrapolate to 51,000+ US flu deaths. The flu season is not over yet so the numbers could rise.

Why is the USA so excited about Coronavirus and not so excited by flu?

Flu season so far: 12K deaths, 22M sick

Flu season so far: 12K deaths, 22M sick

By Ed Payne | Updated: Fri 12:30 PM, Feb 07, 2020

ATLANTA (Gray News) – Flu activity across the U.S. has increased over the last three weeks, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Friday.

Flu was widespread in Puerto Rico and 48 states. In Hawaii, Oregon, the District of Columbia and the U.S. Virgin Islands, the outbreaks were less active. (Source: CDC)
Rates among children and young adults remain higher than in recent flu seasons.

A total of 78 influenza-associated deaths in children have been reported so far this season. That’s an increase of 14 since last week’s report.

The CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 12,000 deaths, 22 million illnesses and 210,000 hospitalizations from flu.

Flu was widespread in Puerto Rico and 48 states. In Hawaii, Oregon, the District of Columbia and the U.S. Virgin Islands, the outbreaks are less active.

Flu shots are recommended for everyone 6 months of age and older.

It takes about two weeks for antibodies to develop and provide protection against the flu after your vaccination.

The CDC said it expects flu season to continue through February.

Because the mortality rate of the flu is minuscule compared to Coronavirus. Only 35 people out of 100,000 are hospitalized for the flu, much less than that actually die.

Coronavirus has a mortality rate 40 times that of influenza and that’s the conservative estimate, it could be much worse.

So yea, people are going to be far more worried about that than the regular flu.

Another Den-Yi-Zen pro-China thread debunked.

 

[theHawk]

Meanwhile in China, the government has started mass arrests of suspected infected people.
Video shows officials in protective suits dragging suspected coronavirus carriers from homes | Daily Mail Online

Isn’t single payer socialist healthcare great?

 

[whitehall]

Maybe it's only an issue during republican administrations but the CDC estimates about 36,000 deaths from flu annually. An interesting point is that most people die from pneumonia associated with but not necessarily caused by flu. The immunity suppressing drugs that are on the rise for everything from acid indigestion to psoriasis are also a factor.

 

[Mac-7]

Flu appears to be more deadly in the USA than the Coronavirus.

1000 deaths in China v 12,000 flu deaths in the USA. If the USA had the same population as China that number would extrapolate to 51,000+ US flu deaths. The flu season is not over yet so the numbers could rise.

Why is the USA so excited about Coronavirus and not so excited by flu?

Flu season so far: 12K deaths, 22M sick

Flu season so far: 12K deaths, 22M sick

By Ed Payne | Updated: Fri 12:30 PM, Feb 07, 2020

ATLANTA (Gray News) – Flu activity across the U.S. has increased over the last three weeks, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Friday.

Flu was widespread in Puerto Rico and 48 states. In Hawaii, Oregon, the District of Columbia and the U.S. Virgin Islands, the outbreaks were less active. (Source: CDC)
Rates among children and young adults remain higher than in recent flu seasons.

A total of 78 influenza-associated deaths in children have been reported so far this season. That’s an increase of 14 since last week’s report.

The CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 12,000 deaths, 22 million illnesses and 210,000 hospitalizations from flu.

Flu was widespread in Puerto Rico and 48 states. In Hawaii, Oregon, the District of Columbia and the U.S. Virgin Islands, the outbreaks are less active.

Flu shots are recommended for everyone 6 months of age and older.

It takes about two weeks for antibodies to develop and provide protection against the flu after your vaccination.

The CDC said it expects flu season to continue through February.

Presumably the common flu existed in china before the corona virus turned up

so this outbreak is in addition to the normal threat

and its spreading

 

[protectionist]

Thankfully, we have a smart president who is taking protectionist steps, to protect us from this scourge.

White House dramatically scales up U.S. response to 'unprecedented' coronavirus

How different from the reckless, fool Obama who let Ebola into the country, only to have unprepared medical folks have to wrestle with it.

Obama administration ignored the CDC’s Ebola outbreak prevention advice given in 2008

US health care unprepared for Ebola

 

[Circe]

Naaaaaaaaaah, 12,000 is an exaggeration. I'm reading 8000 and 10,000 dead at most. Of course, that's because EVERYONE is vulnerable to the flu and catches it in some form (shots or not).

Everyone on Earth is vulnerable to this novel coronavirus 2019-nCoV, also. Unluckily, the death rate is 22 times the death rate of "normal" influenza. That's one in a thousand, compared to 22 in a thousand, estimated, with the coronavirus. That may change, up or down, but still, it's more deadly than flu, if you catch it. So if it spreads widely as it does seem to be doing, could be a bunch of deaths. Talk about how influenza is worse --- okay, if it doesn't spread. If it does, though......

Best thing, let's treasure life and also wash our hands.

 

[Circe]

Coronavirus has a mortality rate 40 times that of influenza and that’s the conservative estimate, it could be much worse.

I don't know where you are getting that 40 times business. It's been steady at 2.2% for confirmed cases. Which is half what you said: 22 times flu deaths, more or less.

I thought the arithmetic on the cruise ship Diamond Princess worked out some higher when I did the numbers this morning -- 3.7%. But that's a captive (death trap) population with recirculating air and everyone imprisoned. We'd have rescued them if there were more Americans, I bet, but as it is, it's just this United Nations of a cruise population, and the Japanese are just leaving them there to die. I don't like that much. Sad, but I can't think what to do with them either. They need an island to off load onto, really.

 

[Mac-7]

Coronavirus has a mortality rate 40 times that of influenza and that’s the conservative estimate, it could be much worse.

I don't know where you are getting that 40 times business. It's been steady at 2.2% for confirmed cases. Which is half what you said: 22 times flu deaths, more or less.

I thought the arithmetic on the cruise ship Diamond Princess worked out some higher when I did the numbers this morning -- 3.7%. But that's a captive (death trap) population with recirculating air and everyone imprisoned. We'd have rescued them if there were more Americans, I bet, but as it is, it's just this United Nations of a cruise population, and the Japanese are just leaving them there to die. I don't like that much. Sad, but I can't think what to do with them either. They need an island to off load onto, really.

Its probably too late to contain the virus

if the death rate is 2% thats how many we can expect to die worldwide

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Why is the USA so excited about Coronavirus and not so excited by flu?

The media

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Meanwhile in China, the government has started mass arrests of suspected infected people.
Video shows officials in protective suits dragging suspected coronavirus carriers from homes | Daily Mail Online

Isn’t single payer socialist healthcare great?

China has evolved! Not so long ago government "healthcare" would have meant showing up at your door, shooting you and your family, and throwing your bodies in the mass grave where they would be doused with gasoline and incinerated

 

[theHawk]

Coronavirus has a mortality rate 40 times that of influenza and that’s the conservative estimate, it could be much worse.

I don't know where you are getting that 40 times business. It's been steady at 2.2% for confirmed cases. Which is half what you said: 22 times flu deaths, more or less.

I thought the arithmetic on the cruise ship Diamond Princess worked out some higher when I did the numbers this morning -- 3.7%. But that's a captive (death trap) population with recirculating air and everyone imprisoned. We'd have rescued them if there were more Americans, I bet, but as it is, it's just this United Nations of a cruise population, and the Japanese are just leaving them there to die. I don't like that much. Sad, but I can't think what to do with them either. They need an island to off load onto, really.

Wrong. The mortality rate of influenza is 0.05%.

40x that is 2.0%, which is the LOW end of estimated mortality rate for Coronavirus.

If the real rate is 4.0% then it will be 80 times more deadly than the flu.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Flu appears to be more deadly in the USA than the Coronavirus.

1000 deaths in China v 12,000 flu deaths in the USA. If the USA had the same population as China that number would extrapolate to 51,000+ US flu deaths. The flu season is not over yet so the numbers could rise.

Why is the USA so excited about Coronavirus and not so excited by flu?

Flu season so far: 12K deaths, 22M sick

Flu season so far: 12K deaths, 22M sick

By Ed Payne | Updated: Fri 12:30 PM, Feb 07, 2020

ATLANTA (Gray News) – Flu activity across the U.S. has increased over the last three weeks, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Friday.

Flu was widespread in Puerto Rico and 48 states. In Hawaii, Oregon, the District of Columbia and the U.S. Virgin Islands, the outbreaks were less active. (Source: CDC)
Rates among children and young adults remain higher than in recent flu seasons.

A total of 78 influenza-associated deaths in children have been reported so far this season. That’s an increase of 14 since last week’s report.

The CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 12,000 deaths, 22 million illnesses and 210,000 hospitalizations from flu.

Flu was widespread in Puerto Rico and 48 states. In Hawaii, Oregon, the District of Columbia and the U.S. Virgin Islands, the outbreaks are less active.

Flu shots are recommended for everyone 6 months of age and older.

It takes about two weeks for antibodies to develop and provide protection against the flu after your vaccination.

The CDC said it expects flu season to continue through February.

Because people that have stock in face masks need to make money...

 

[Circe]

Coronavirus has a mortality rate 40 times that of influenza and that’s the conservative estimate, it could be much worse.

I don't know where you are getting that 40 times business. It's been steady at 2.2% for confirmed cases. Which is half what you said: 22 times flu deaths, more or less.

I thought the arithmetic on the cruise ship Diamond Princess worked out some higher when I did the numbers this morning -- 3.7%. But that's a captive (death trap) population with recirculating air and everyone imprisoned. We'd have rescued them if there were more Americans, I bet, but as it is, it's just this United Nations of a cruise population, and the Japanese are just leaving them there to die. I don't like that much. Sad, but I can't think what to do with them either. They need an island to off load onto, really.

Its probably too late to contain the virus

if the death rate is 2% thats how many we can expect to die worldwide

Not sure --- that implies no impediment to the virus, and the developed countries are working very hard to stop its spread.

It's Africa, Iran, India, etc., that are big grey areas on the virus maps --- not because there is no virus spreading there, but because their health services are so primitive they wouldn't know if they did have it. They couldn't even tell. Because they have such high death rates from such diseases as cholera that in Africa, they are very angry that white people bother them about Ebola, which they don't care about or believe in, because the cholera deaths and other serious diseases such as malaria just overwhelm the death toll from Ebola. No one is even going to NOTICE this virus.

 

[Mac-7]

Coronavirus has a mortality rate 40 times that of influenza and that’s the conservative estimate, it could be much worse.

I don't know where you are getting that 40 times business. It's been steady at 2.2% for confirmed cases. Which is half what you said: 22 times flu deaths, more or less.

I thought the arithmetic on the cruise ship Diamond Princess worked out some higher when I did the numbers this morning -- 3.7%. But that's a captive (death trap) population with recirculating air and everyone imprisoned. We'd have rescued them if there were more Americans, I bet, but as it is, it's just this United Nations of a cruise population, and the Japanese are just leaving them there to die. I don't like that much. Sad, but I can't think what to do with them either. They need an island to off load onto, really.

Its probably too late to contain the virus

if the death rate is 2% thats how many we can expect to die worldwide

Not sure --- that implies no impediment to the virus, and the developed countries are working very hard to stop its spread.

It's Africa, Iran, India, etc., that are big grey areas on the virus maps --- not because there is no virus spreading there, but because their health services are so primitive they wouldn't know if they did have it. They couldn't even tell. Because they have such high death rates from such diseases as cholera that in Africa, they are very angry that white people bother them about Ebola, which they don't care about or believe in, because the cholera deaths and other serious diseases such as malaria just overwhelm the death toll from Ebola. No one is even going to NOTICE this virus.

There are reports of progress on preventive drugs and that may save some lives

china has done all it can to assure that the virus goes worldwide

but my guess is that chinese version of medicare for all will not solve the problem

rather it will come from capitalist western drug companies or medical research labs

if so then the initial limited supplies should reman in the the free countries rather than being sent to china

 

[Denizen]

Coronavirus has a mortality rate 40 times that of influenza and that’s the conservative estimate, it could be much worse.

I don't know where you are getting that 40 times business. It's been steady at 2.2% for confirmed cases. Which is half what you said: 22 times flu deaths, more or less.

I thought the arithmetic on the cruise ship Diamond Princess worked out some higher when I did the numbers this morning -- 3.7%. But that's a captive (death trap) population with recirculating air and everyone imprisoned. We'd have rescued them if there were more Americans, I bet, but as it is, it's just this United Nations of a cruise population, and the Japanese are just leaving them there to die. I don't like that much. Sad, but I can't think what to do with them either. They need an island to off load onto, really.

Wrong. The mortality rate of influenza is 0.05%.

40x that is 2.0%, which is the LOW end of estimated mortality rate for Coronavirus.

If the real rate is 4.0% then it will be 80 times more deadly than the flu.

You miss the point that influenza might be 40x as infectious as coronavirus. 54 million people infected with influenza in the US.

Coronavirus has a mortality rate 40 times that of influenza and that’s the conservative estimate, it could be much worse.

I don't know where you are getting that 40 times business. It's been steady at 2.2% for confirmed cases. Which is half what you said: 22 times flu deaths, more or less.

I thought the arithmetic on the cruise ship Diamond Princess worked out some higher when I did the numbers this morning -- 3.7%. But that's a captive (death trap) population with recirculating air and everyone imprisoned. We'd have rescued them if there were more Americans, I bet, but as it is, it's just this United Nations of a cruise population, and the Japanese are just leaving them there to die. I don't like that much. Sad, but I can't think what to do with them either. They need an island to off load onto, really.

Its probably too late to contain the virus

if the death rate is 2% thats how many we can expect to die worldwide

Not sure --- that implies no impediment to the virus, and the developed countries are working very hard to stop its spread.

It's Africa, Iran, India, etc., that are big grey areas on the virus maps --- not because there is no virus spreading there, but because their health services are so primitive they wouldn't know if they did have it. They couldn't even tell. Because they have such high death rates from such diseases as cholera that in Africa, they are very angry that white people bother them about Ebola, which they don't care about or believe in, because the cholera deaths and other serious diseases such as malaria just overwhelm the death toll from Ebola. No one is even going to NOTICE this virus.

There are reports of progress on preventive drugs and that may save some lives

china has done all it can to assure that the virus goes worldwide

but my guess is that chinese version of medicare for all will not solve the problem

rather it will come from capitalist western drug companies or medical research labs

if so then the initial limited supplies should reman in the the free countries rather than being sent to china

No country is free. Particularly the USA.

 

[theHawk]

Coronavirus has a mortality rate 40 times that of influenza and that’s the conservative estimate, it could be much worse.

I don't know where you are getting that 40 times business. It's been steady at 2.2% for confirmed cases. Which is half what you said: 22 times flu deaths, more or less.

I thought the arithmetic on the cruise ship Diamond Princess worked out some higher when I did the numbers this morning -- 3.7%. But that's a captive (death trap) population with recirculating air and everyone imprisoned. We'd have rescued them if there were more Americans, I bet, but as it is, it's just this United Nations of a cruise population, and the Japanese are just leaving them there to die. I don't like that much. Sad, but I can't think what to do with them either. They need an island to off load onto, really.

Wrong. The mortality rate of influenza is 0.05%.

40x that is 2.0%, which is the LOW end of estimated mortality rate for Coronavirus.

If the real rate is 4.0% then it will be 80 times more deadly than the flu.

You miss the point that influenza might be 40x as infectious as coronavirus. 54 million people infected with influenza in the US.

Coronavirus has a mortality rate 40 times that of influenza and that’s the conservative estimate, it could be much worse.

I don't know where you are getting that 40 times business. It's been steady at 2.2% for confirmed cases. Which is half what you said: 22 times flu deaths, more or less.

I thought the arithmetic on the cruise ship Diamond Princess worked out some higher when I did the numbers this morning -- 3.7%. But that's a captive (death trap) population with recirculating air and everyone imprisoned. We'd have rescued them if there were more Americans, I bet, but as it is, it's just this United Nations of a cruise population, and the Japanese are just leaving them there to die. I don't like that much. Sad, but I can't think what to do with them either. They need an island to off load onto, really.

Its probably too late to contain the virus

if the death rate is 2% thats how many we can expect to die worldwide

Not sure --- that implies no impediment to the virus, and the developed countries are working very hard to stop its spread.

It's Africa, Iran, India, etc., that are big grey areas on the virus maps --- not because there is no virus spreading there, but because their health services are so primitive they wouldn't know if they did have it. They couldn't even tell. Because they have such high death rates from such diseases as cholera that in Africa, they are very angry that white people bother them about Ebola, which they don't care about or believe in, because the cholera deaths and other serious diseases such as malaria just overwhelm the death toll from Ebola. No one is even going to NOTICE this virus.

There are reports of progress on preventive drugs and that may save some lives

china has done all it can to assure that the virus goes worldwide

but my guess is that chinese version of medicare for all will not solve the problem

rather it will come from capitalist western drug companies or medical research labs

if so then the initial limited supplies should reman in the the free countries rather than being sent to china

No country is free. Particularly the USA.

There is nothing to suggest that influenza is “40 times more infectious”. Coronavirus is a new, possibly weaponized virus from the Wuhan biological weapons lab. All indications show that Coronavirus is far more infectious as doctors and medical staff wearing protective gear are still getting infected and dying.

 

[Denizen]

Coronavirus has a mortality rate 40 times that of influenza and that’s the conservative estimate, it could be much worse.

I don't know where you are getting that 40 times business. It's been steady at 2.2% for confirmed cases. Which is half what you said: 22 times flu deaths, more or less.

I thought the arithmetic on the cruise ship Diamond Princess worked out some higher when I did the numbers this morning -- 3.7%. But that's a captive (death trap) population with recirculating air and everyone imprisoned. We'd have rescued them if there were more Americans, I bet, but as it is, it's just this United Nations of a cruise population, and the Japanese are just leaving them there to die. I don't like that much. Sad, but I can't think what to do with them either. They need an island to off load onto, really.

Wrong. The mortality rate of influenza is 0.05%.

40x that is 2.0%, which is the LOW end of estimated mortality rate for Coronavirus.

If the real rate is 4.0% then it will be 80 times more deadly than the flu.

You miss the point that influenza might be 40x as infectious as coronavirus. 54 million people infected with influenza in the US.

I don't know where you are getting that 40 times business. It's been steady at 2.2% for confirmed cases. Which is half what you said: 22 times flu deaths, more or less.

I thought the arithmetic on the cruise ship Diamond Princess worked out some higher when I did the numbers this morning -- 3.7%. But that's a captive (death trap) population with recirculating air and everyone imprisoned. We'd have rescued them if there were more Americans, I bet, but as it is, it's just this United Nations of a cruise population, and the Japanese are just leaving them there to die. I don't like that much. Sad, but I can't think what to do with them either. They need an island to off load onto, really.

Its probably too late to contain the virus

if the death rate is 2% thats how many we can expect to die worldwide

Not sure --- that implies no impediment to the virus, and the developed countries are working very hard to stop its spread.

It's Africa, Iran, India, etc., that are big grey areas on the virus maps --- not because there is no virus spreading there, but because their health services are so primitive they wouldn't know if they did have it. They couldn't even tell. Because they have such high death rates from such diseases as cholera that in Africa, they are very angry that white people bother them about Ebola, which they don't care about or believe in, because the cholera deaths and other serious diseases such as malaria just overwhelm the death toll from Ebola. No one is even going to NOTICE this virus.

There are reports of progress on preventive drugs and that may save some lives

china has done all it can to assure that the virus goes worldwide

but my guess is that chinese version of medicare for all will not solve the problem

rather it will come from capitalist western drug companies or medical research labs

if so then the initial limited supplies should reman in the the free countries rather than being sent to china

No country is free. Particularly the USA.

There is nothing to suggest that influenza is “40 times more infectious”. Coronavirus is a new, possibly weaponized virus from the Wuhan biological weapons lab. All indications show that Coronavirus is far more infectious as doctors and medical staff wearing protective gear are still getting infected and dying.

There is also a conspiracy theory that the coronavirus came from US bioweapons labs. If that is so, it is unsurprising that it struck at the center of China's industrial base.

Note the source 'Jerusalem Post' which is a reasonably credible media source.

Arab media accuse US, Israel of coronavirus conspiracy against China

Arab media accuse US, Israel of coronavirus conspiracy against China
One report claimed that it was no coincidence that the coronavirus was largely absent from the US and Israel.
By JERUSALEM POST STAFF FEBRUARY 9, 2020 18:17Email Twitter Facebook fb-messenger

Numerous reports in the Arab press have accused the US and Israel of being behind the creation and spread of the deadly coronavirus as part of an economic and psychological war against China, the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI) reported.

One report in the Saudi daily newspaper Al-Watan claimed that it was no coincidence that the coronavirus was absent from the US and Israel, though this is despite America having 12 confirmed cases at the time of writing. ...

 

[Circe]

There is nothing to suggest that influenza is “40 times more infectious”. Coronavirus is a new, possibly weaponized virus from the Wuhan biological weapons lab. All indications show that Coronavirus is far more infectious as doctors and medical staff wearing protective gear are still getting infected and dying.

No, people need to cite a reference for statements like influenza being 40 times more infectious than 2019-nCoV. Early estimates were that the R-naught is 2 or 3 people infected by one sick person: that seems low to me, considering the high numbers being infected by possible super-spreaders. I think it's VERY infective and has gotten out now. But there are a lot of diseases with much higher infective rate, such as measles and smallpox (as it used to be before extinction). However, this one looks as infective as influenza to me, which is quite bad enough.

 

[Likkmee]

Flu appears to be more deadly in the USA than the Coronavirus.

1000 deaths in China v 12,000 flu deaths in the USA. If the USA had the same population as China that number would extrapolate to 51,000+ US flu deaths. The flu season is not over yet so the numbers could rise.

Why is the USA so excited about Coronavirus and not so excited by flu?

Flu season so far: 12K deaths, 22M sick

Flu season so far: 12K deaths, 22M sick

By Ed Payne | Updated: Fri 12:30 PM, Feb 07, 2020

ATLANTA (Gray News) – Flu activity across the U.S. has increased over the last three weeks, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Friday.

Flu was widespread in Puerto Rico and 48 states. In Hawaii, Oregon, the District of Columbia and the U.S. Virgin Islands, the outbreaks were less active. (Source: CDC)
Rates among children and young adults remain higher than in recent flu seasons.

A total of 78 influenza-associated deaths in children have been reported so far this season. That’s an increase of 14 since last week’s report.

The CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 12,000 deaths, 22 million illnesses and 210,000 hospitalizations from flu.

Flu was widespread in Puerto Rico and 48 states. In Hawaii, Oregon, the District of Columbia and the U.S. Virgin Islands, the outbreaks are less active.

Flu shots are recommended for everyone 6 months of age and older.

It takes about two weeks for antibodies to develop and provide protection against the flu after your vaccination.

The CDC said it expects flu season to continue through February.

THE owners never let a crisis go......