Women in the military....the democrats just can't let standards be standards.....

[Mac-7]

No....they lost because the Germans were being pressed in Italy and in Europe..

SavannahMann must get his russian history from books written by betty friedan and gloria steinem

 

[2aguy]

Liberals will just keep changing the rules till they win

99.99999% of women have no place in combat

And the .000001% that can function as soldiers in the field are simply not worth the trouble they cause

It is a good thing the Russians didn’t believe that. Because they had women combat pilots, snipers, tankers, and infantrymen. That is partly how they stopped the German Advance in World War II. Without the women, the Russians might have lost and we would have lost the war too.

Well. Russians are different than Americans. Stronger and tougher or something.

The Israeli Army uses women in similar combat roles. But they are Jews and everyone knows Jews are God’s Chosen so of course the women would be tougher.

But one quick question. How much upper body strength does a woman need to pull a trigger?

Lyudmila Pavlichenko - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

She killed more than 300 physically superior men. I wonder how many she would have killed if she had greater upper body strength?

That is because Stalin screwed up and allowed the Germans to decimate his military at the start of the war...they had no choice.....

Women in the Israeli army are not in combat roles.....

But one quick question. How much upper body strength does a woman need to pull a trigger?

Question....

How much strength and endurance does a woman need to carry a ruck sack of about 50-70 pounds 12-15 miles a day, over rough terrain....every day, plus rifle, ammo, water, entrenching tool, plus ammo, possibly spare ammo for the heavy weapons........dig a fighting position every night, pull 50-50 guard duty, fill in the fighting position, and march again the next day on minimal food and sleep?

Then....at the end of all that pull the trigger....then carry the wounded for medivac......

Please....you don't understand everything involved in fighting in combat...so please don't try until you do...

 

[Mr Natural]

I don’t remember a whole lot of physical fitness amongst the lifers in the Navy squadron I was attached to back in the day.

 

[2aguy]

Liberals will just keep changing the rules till they win

99.99999% of women have no place in combat

And the .000001% that can function as soldiers in the field are simply not worth the trouble they cause

It is a good thing the Russians didn’t believe that. Because they had women combat pilots, snipers, tankers, and infantrymen. That is partly how they stopped the German Advance in World War II. Without the women, the Russians might have lost and we would have lost the war too.

Well. Russians are different than Americans. Stronger and tougher or something.

The Israeli Army uses women in similar combat roles. But they are Jews and everyone knows Jews are God’s Chosen so of course the women would be tougher.

But one quick question. How much upper body strength does a woman need to pull a trigger?

Lyudmila Pavlichenko - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

She killed more than 300 physically superior men. I wonder how many she would have killed if she had greater upper body strength?

She was a sniper carrying limited equipment in an urban terrain............she was not a regular troop carrying weight for weeks on end marching 10s of miles every day before she got to the fighting part...

You guys don't understand the dynamic...you should understand it before you comment...

 

[2aguy]

I don’t remember a whole lot of physical fitness amongst the lifers in the Navy squadron I was attached to back in the day.

Outside of SEALs, Pilots and Rescue divers.....phys ed......not all there in the Navy...

 

[2aguy]

When we told people that allowing women to be in the military, in particular the combat arms, that it would end up changing the physical fitness standards required to be a soldier, and marine, you told us that wouldn't happen.....

It is about to happen....

Left wingers in our government can't stand the fact that women cannot meet the physical fitness standards....so now they want to change them...

We told you this would happen.....now that they know women can't meet the same standard, how long before they lower the standards?

Our enemies are laughing....

The United States Army is reportedly considering doing away with its new “gender-neutral physical test” after test results showed that the majority of women failed while approximately 90 percent of men passed. Officials are reportedly considering having different evaluation categories for men and women due to the physiological differences between the two.

“Research showed that the Army Combat Fitness Test [ACFT], which is the same for male and female soldiers, was leading to lower results for women with a knock-on effect for promotions,” The Telegraph reported. “An early Pentagon study showed that women were failing the ACFT at a rate of 65 per cent, while only 10 percent of men did.”


A report from last fall found that 54 percent of women failed the test while only 7 percent of men failed it.

The report said that Congress, which is controlled by the Democrats, stopped the new program from being implemented and the Army is reviewing whether it is fair. Congress does not want the test as it is current constructed to factor into opportunities for advancement, the report said.

U.S. Army Considers Reversing ‘Gender-Neutral Physical Test’ After Majority Of Women Fail To Keep Up With Men: Report | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

Most military jobs don't require going over-the-top, so...

And? When a base is over run by the enemy all hands have to be able to fight....you doofus.

 

[jbrownson0831]

Our enemies conscript women to do whatever they are capable of.

That's why our enemies have inferior forces

 

[Mac-7]

How much strength and endurance does a woman need to carry a ruck sack of about 50-70 pounds 12-15 miles a day, over rough terrain....every day, plus rifle, ammo, water, entrenching tool, plus ammo, possibly spare ammo for the heavy weapons........dig a fighting position every night, pull 50-50 guard duty, fill in the fighting position, and march again the next day on minimal food and sleep?

More than most women have

plus they can quit or opt out when the going gets too tough

 

[jbrownson0831]

In September 2019, the Air Force updated its policy to reduce barriers on pregnant aviators who perform flight duties and have uncomplicated pregnancies. This update allows many women the choice to keep performing flight duties during their pregnancy, maintain currency, and prevent postpartum re-qualification training.
Air Force Uniform Office is looking for pregnant volunteers > Air Force Materiel Command > Article Display (af.mil)

And all this under pressure from the looneytune left. Not the only mistake he made, like handing out welfare checks

 

[jbrownson0831]

At least 25% of women serving in the U.S. military have been sexually assaulted, and up to 80% have been sexually harassed. A 2011 report found that women in the U.S. military were more likely to be raped by fellow soldiers than they were to be killed in combat.
Sexual assault in the United States military - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Sexual_assault_in_the_United_...

Thanks for making our point.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

She killed more than 300 physically superior men. I wonder how many she would have killed if she had greater upper body strength?

How much upper body strength does it take to pick off the enemy from great distances with a high powered
rifle? Unless you think a nation can go to war with only an army of female snipers your post makes
zero sense but I doubt making a cogent point was your intent.

 

[2aguy]

The Histories say the Russians needed them

I can imagine the wild leftwing history you are referring to

dont forget the soviets were the progressives of their day

Several Histories. From several sources. Why did the German Invasion fail? They had superior tactics, weapons, and training. They could have, should have won. The flaw was that they were operating on a number of erroneous assumptions.

First. The numbers of soldiers they were facing. Second the willingness to fight to the end of those soldiers. Third, the ability of the Soviets to endure and continue fighting. Fourth, the women.

There were others. But those assumptions were the death of the greatest Army of the Era. Well trained and equipped soldiers. Competently commanded with revolutionary tactics.

It is interesting to note that even at the end, when Germany was putting schoolboys in uniform and sending them out to fight, they never used the women. They felt as you did and lost a huge opportunity to survive. 12 year old boys were fine. Adult women were not.

But men. Manly men. Those are what we want. Men like the Spartans. Perfect examples of courage and physical fitness. Of course the Spartans had enforced homosexuality. But we will pretend that is not the point.

List of female Heroes of the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The Guards bomber regiment. They were called the Night Witches. The Germans hated them.

These women flying old planes would start their attack run by cutting the engine off. They glided in silently and only restarted the engine after dropping their bombs. This gave the Germans no warning.

If the engine did not start. They died. If the Germans got them they died. The planes were slow.

There are other examples in history. Since it was not covered in Junior High you never bothered to learn it.

Stalin destroyed his army with bad policies and strategies....he planned on invading first and stockpiled equipment ....right where the Germans advanced when they invaded first.......then Stalin purged all of his best generals before the war because he feared a coup.....creating an officer class afraid to stand out......then, his decision to execute any units that retreated caused a lot of the units to surrender...which was also a mistake since the socialists from Germany executed them too.......

The Russians also benefited from the allies supplying them, in particular the U.S.....and the allies draining German forces and focus because of Europe and Italy.........without that threat the Germans would have walked all over the incompetent Russians...

 

[jbrownson0831]

Liberals will just keep changing the rules till they win

99.99999% of women have no place in combat

And the .000001% that can function as soldiers in the field are simply not worth the trouble they cause

It is a good thing the Russians didn’t believe that. Because they had women combat pilots, snipers, tankers, and infantrymen. That is partly how they stopped the German Advance in World War II. Without the women, the Russians might have lost and we would have lost the war too.

Well. Russians are different than Americans. Stronger and tougher or something.

The Israeli Army uses women in similar combat roles. But they are Jews and everyone knows Jews are God’s Chosen so of course the women would be tougher.

But one quick question. How much upper body strength does a woman need to pull a trigger?

Lyudmila Pavlichenko - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

She killed more than 300 physically superior men. I wonder how many she would have killed if she had greater upper body strength?

I expect her injections gave her some pretty good strength.

 

[2aguy]

The Histories say the Russians needed them

I can imagine the wild leftwing history you are referring to

dont forget the soviets were the progressives of their day

Several Histories. From several sources. Why did the German Invasion fail? They had superior tactics, weapons, and training. They could have, should have won. The flaw was that they were operating on a number of erroneous assumptions.

First. The numbers of soldiers they were facing. Second the willingness to fight to the end of those soldiers. Third, the ability of the Soviets to endure and continue fighting. Fourth, the women.

There were others. But those assumptions were the death of the greatest Army of the Era. Well trained and equipped soldiers. Competently commanded with revolutionary tactics.

It is interesting to note that even at the end, when Germany was putting schoolboys in uniform and sending them out to fight, they never used the women. They felt as you did and lost a huge opportunity to survive. 12 year old boys were fine. Adult women were not.

But men. Manly men. Those are what we want. Men like the Spartans. Perfect examples of courage and physical fitness. Of course the Spartans had enforced homosexuality. But we will pretend that is not the point.

List of female Heroes of the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The Guards bomber regiment. They were called the Night Witches. The Germans hated them.

These women flying old planes would start their attack run by cutting the engine off. They glided in silently and only restarted the engine after dropping their bombs. This gave the Germans no warning.

If the engine did not start. They died. If the Germans got them they died. The planes were slow.

There are other examples in history. Since it was not covered in Junior High you never bothered to learn it.

Russia did their best to lose the war before it even started...

Lend-Lease: How the US Kept the Soviets Afloat in World War II


Russia's D-Day message: You're welcome

It’s true that Russia had to contend with more German units than the Allies did in France. This ignores the fact that the Allies had fought the Nazis in North Africa and up the Italian peninsula for several years prior to D-Day, not to mention the naval warfare that the US and UK conducted. Furthermore, even after the Soviets allied with the US, UK, and Free France, they pointedly refused to declare war on Japan, where the US and the Commonwealth were committing massive forces against Hitler’s ally. Stalin declared war on Japan only after the bombings in Hiroshima and Nagasaki in order to demand territorial gains.
Even apart from that, this ignores the fact that Stalin made a greedy agreement with Hitler to divvy up Poland. The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact in August 1939, a craven and disgusting act, guaranteed the start of World War II. Would Hitler have invaded Poland without the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact? Probably, but it would have meant keeping his eastern front prepared for a Soviet reaction. Instead, Hitler overran the Netherland, Belgium, and France … all without Stalin opening up a “second front.”
The Soviets made the mistake of not taking Hitler’s demand for lebensraum seriously and thought they could seize land on the cheap, until Hitler finally turned on Stalin when he thought the time was right. Until then, Stalin’s communist proxies in France, the UK, and the US argued not for a “second front” but for isolationism and a hands-off approach to the conflict in eastern Europe.
Only after Hitler invaded the Soviet Union did Stalin and the communists begin shrieking about a “second front,” ignoring the fact that the Brits had been fighting one in North Africa. (The US joined that front soon after Pearl Harbor.) The Italian campaign tied up a number of German units as well, especially after Mussolini ran out of Rome and the Italians switched sides. The allies attempted a smaller scale invasion force in 1943 at Dieppe to get what would be a thirdfront in Europe, which turned out to be a disaster for the Canadian troops that got trapped there. It was the hard lessons learned at Dieppe as well as those in the Pacific theater that were eventually applied 75 years ago today in the successful D-Day operation.
There’s one other laughable aspect to Russia’s D-Day propaganda, too. The invasion was a massive effort to liberate other countries from the Nazi grip — not just France but also Belgium, the Netherlands, Austria, Czechoslovakia, and so on. The Russians fought valiantly after the Nazi invasion, but let’s not kid ourselves; they were fighting to free themselves. And when they did manage to push the Nazis out of Russia proper, the Soviets pushed through all of the states of eastern Europe, not to liberate them but to seize them and put them in their own iron grip. They kept those countries prisoner for more than forty years, too.


Remember, they also invaded Poland...

The 1939 Soviet invasion of Poland was a Soviet military operation that started without a formal declaration of war on 17 September 1939, during the early stages of World War II. Sixteen days afterNazi Germany invaded Poland from the west, the Soviet Union did so from the east. The invasion ended on 6 October 1939 with the division and annexing of the whole of the Second Polish Republicby Germany and the Soviet Union.[SUP][6][/SUP]

Also...

American Weapons in Russian Army - English Russia

During World War 2 America helped Soviet Russia a lot with different weapons. Trucks, jeeps, military and cargo planes – all sorts of technical equipment was sent to Russia.
In this post we’ll have some unique photos from WW2 by Russian soldier who participated in such missions to America for this help. He was a pilot and their squad was taking American planes to Russia during the war. According to his son’s stories this visits to USA left a big impression upon minds of Russian soldiers, but they were desperate to help their country to win the war and none of the decided to seek a refuge in States.
They usually were taking B-25 heavy bomber planes and P-53 “King Cobras” lighter fighters. It’s interesting that the Red Stars, the emblems of Soviet Russian Army were printed on the planes right in the US and they were flying those Red Star marked planes above USA freely on their way to Russia. Those were the only times I guess when Russian military planes were above the States. Though those Red Star logos were afterwards wiped out in Russia because they were paintedon a white circle, according USAAF standards and were not exactly what Stalin and other Russian chief commanders wanted to see on Russian planes.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

At least 25% of women serving in the U.S. military have been sexually assaulted, and up to 80% have been sexually harassed. A 2011 report found that women in the U.S. military were more likely to be raped by fellow soldiers than they were to be killed in combat.

Sexual assault in the United States military - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Sexual_assault_in_the_United_...

That's what they are there for. The Chinese called them comfort women

 

[2aguy]

The Histories say the Russians needed them

I can imagine the wild leftwing history you are referring to

dont forget the soviets were the progressives of their day

Several Histories. From several sources. Why did the German Invasion fail? They had superior tactics, weapons, and training. They could have, should have won. The flaw was that they were operating on a number of erroneous assumptions.

First. The numbers of soldiers they were facing. Second the willingness to fight to the end of those soldiers. Third, the ability of the Soviets to endure and continue fighting. Fourth, the women.

There were others. But those assumptions were the death of the greatest Army of the Era. Well trained and equipped soldiers. Competently commanded with revolutionary tactics.

It is interesting to note that even at the end, when Germany was putting schoolboys in uniform and sending them out to fight, they never used the women. They felt as you did and lost a huge opportunity to survive. 12 year old boys were fine. Adult women were not.

But men. Manly men. Those are what we want. Men like the Spartans. Perfect examples of courage and physical fitness. Of course the Spartans had enforced homosexuality. But we will pretend that is not the point.

List of female Heroes of the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The Guards bomber regiment. They were called the Night Witches. The Germans hated them.

These women flying old planes would start their attack run by cutting the engine off. They glided in silently and only restarted the engine after dropping their bombs. This gave the Germans no warning.

If the engine did not start. They died. If the Germans got them they died. The planes were slow.

There are other examples in history. Since it was not covered in Junior High you never bothered to learn it.

How Russia tried to lose the war...

This article looks at the Soviets during world war 2, their intention to invade the west, which was beaten by Germany invading two weeks early and why they lost so quickly at first...

Russia In World War 2

But what Russian historiography censored for decades, is the large scale of total morale collapse of Soviet armed forces and Communist party establishments which escaped, 'disappeared', or surrendered before they even were engaged in battle. Millions, from privates to Generals, individually or as entire units, abandoned their tanks, guns, air bases, without battle, and escaped on vehicles or on foot, or simply disappeared into the nearby villages and forests.
Fighting and then losing is one thing. Massive and rapid escape without a fight and massive voluntary surrender, are another, and Soviet censorship tried to hide that, by further intensifying the myth of the destructiveness of the German attack, and by further intensifying the belief that the entire red army was right on the border. There are reports of entire unit staffs which escaped without battle and were found again hundreds of kilometers to the East. There were tens of Generals who disappeared and were never located again. There are reports of tank divisions which, although they were not right on the border and were not engaged in fighting in the first day, miraculously 'lost' 100% of their tanks and other fighting equipment in the second day of fighting, without actually being engaged in battle, and then escaped hundreds of kilometers eastwards almost without losing a single truck even to technical malfunction. There are reports of entire Air Force regiments which reported that they suffered negligible or no losses in the air or on the ground at the first day, and then simply abandoned their air bases and escaped by trucks and on foot. In 1941 Russia lost millions of soldiers. Only 32% of the reported losses were the dead and wounded. Millions surrendered, many of them as fast as they could, and so many others escaped from the front, either disappeared or remained in service, but only after a distant escape and after abandoning every weapon or equipment, even rifles and light mortars, that could force them to stay and fight.
The apparent reasons for this mass unwillingness to fight were:

• A further intensified mental shock of those who were always trained educated and taught others that attack and victory are the only possible option, and suddenly found themselves under massive surprise attack for which they never planned or prepared.
• Stalin, the murderous dictator, was surrounded with people who told him much too often what he wanted to hear about Russia's preparations for war. The enormous reported numbers of material production and manpower training were perhaps correct. For example the figures of vast mass-training of pilots (which, by the way, were NOT volunteers, unlike pilots anywhere else in the world), and received minimal training, in order to keep up with the enormous training quotas dictated by Stalin.But what Stalin never suspected, was the possibility that in his regime of mass terror and fear, where so many millions were imprisoned and millions others killed by the police, and where tens of millions starved for years in order to pay for the enormous cost of the vast effort to convert Russia with a period of just two decades from a mostly agricultural country to an industrial militarist super-power with gigantic military power. Stalin never suspected that under a massive attack on his brutal regime, the people, the millions of soldiers who previously suffered from the regime, millions were former political prisoners of which many were recruited from hard labor prisons directly to war front military service, will favor surrender to defending their homeland, or will have no willingness to fight immediately as they realized that since they're country is being massively attacked there's a good chance that they can escape from the war without being punished by the formidable regime. Given the possibility that for the first time in their life non-cooperation with the Communist regime will NOT be severely punished, so many favored that option, and that's something the Russian censorship could never admit.
  So while in all material aspects Russia was enormously prepared for war, and could therefore theoretically manage much better than it did, even under a massive surprise attack, in morale terms, the Russian people in the front (which rapidly moved East all across the long front), were generally unwilling to fight for their terrible terror regime once fear of it was lost since the regime itself was being attacked and in danger.

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Also...The Biggest Mistakes In World War 2

• In 1941, Stalin received a stream of information from military intelligence and spies, that Germany is going to invade Russia, as Hitler promised since the 1920s. After discussions, Stalin decided that the information was inconclusive and perhaps deliberate disinformation, and decided that there will be no invasion. As the invasion came nearer, the stream of information indicating invasion intensified, but then Stalin forbid his advisors from further disturbing him with it. Anyone who still suggested that there might be a German invasion, risked execution. Fear was such that when the invasion started, no one dared to awake Stalin and tell him about it, until Zhukov, the deputy supreme commander, told Stalin's bodyguards that he takes responsibility for awakening the dictator and telling him the bad news.

• Both Hitler and Stalin refused to allow retreats, as a matter of principle and regardless of the military situation. Hundreds of thousands of soldiers in each side died in vain because they were not allowed to retreat when was necessary. Russia almost lost the war because of that in 1941, and Hitler's army suffered horrible losses because of that, mainly in the winter of 1942 and in Stalingrad a year later.

Until April 1941, Russia was at war with Japan in the far East, and in 1941-1942 it fought desperately against the German invasion. But since the end of the battle of Stalingrad in Feb. 1943, Russia knew that it was going to win the war, and that Germany and Japan were losing it. It was convenient for Russia to focus entirely on defeating Germany and leave the war against Japan entirely to the US, which also provided Russia with enormous material support. During the war, Russia provided air bases for British heavy bombers which bombed Germany, but refused to provide such bases for American bombers in the Russian far East, apparently in return for a quiet Japanese agreement not to attack American supply convoys sailing to Russia's far East ports.

And from wikipedia...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_in_World_War_II

At the same time, Hitler was worried about American popular support after the U.S. entry into the war following the Attack on Pearl Harbor, and a potential Anglo-American invasion on the Western Front in 1942 (which did not occur until the summer of 1944). He changed his primary goal from an immediate victory in the East, to the more long-term goal of securing the southern Soviet Union to protect oil fields vital to the long-term German war effort.[82] While Red Army generals correctly judged the evidence that Hitler would shift his efforts south, Stalin thought it a flanking move in the German attempt to take Moscow.[81]

----In 1943, Stalin ceded to his generals' call for the Soviet Union to take a defensive stance because of disappointing losses after Stalingrad, a lack of reserves for offensive measures and a prediction that the Germans would likely next attack a bulge in the Soviet front at Kursk such that defensive preparations there would more efficiently use resources.[142] The Germans did attempt an encirclement attack at Kursk, which was successfully repulsed by the Soviets[142] after Hitler cancelled the offensive, in part, because of the Allied invasion of Sicily,[143] though the Soviets suffered over 800,000 casualties.[144] Kursk also marked the beginning of a period where Stalin became more willing to listen to the advice of his generals.[145]

In the initial hours after the German attack commenced, Stalin hesitated, wanting to ensure that the German attack was sanctioned by Hitler, rather than the unauthorized action of a rogue general.[SUP][53][/SUP] Accounts by Nikita Khrushchev and Anastas Mikoyan claim that, after the invasion, Stalin retreated to his dacha in despair for several days and did not participate in leadership decisions.[SUP][54][/SUP] However, some documentary evidence of orders given by Stalin contradicts these accounts, leading some historians to speculate that Khrushchev's account is inaccurate.[SUP][55][/SUP]
In the first three weeks of the invasion, attempting to defend against large German advances, the Soviet Union suffered 750,000 casualties, and lost 10,000 tanks and 4,000 aircraft.[SUP][56][/SUP] In July 1940, Stalin completely reorganized the Soviet military, placing himself directly in charge of several military organizations, which gave him complete control of his country's entire war effort; more control than any other leader in World War II.[SUP][57][/SUP]
A pattern soon emerged where Stalin embraced the Red Army's strategy of conducting multiple offensives, while the Germans soon overran each of the resulting small newly gained grounds, dealing the Soviets severe casualties.[SUP][58][/SUP] The most notable example of this was the Battle of Kiev, where over 600,000 Soviet troops were quickly killed, captured or had gone missing.[SUP][58][/SUP]
By the end of 1941, the Soviet military had suffered 4.3 million casualties[SUP][59][/SUP] and the Germans had captured 3.0 million Soviet prisoners, 2.0 million of which would die in German captivity by February 1942.[SUP][56][/SUP] German forces had advanced c. 1,700 kilometers, and maintained a linearly-measured front of 3,000 kilometers.[SUP][60][/SUP] The Red Army put up fierce resistance during the war's early stages. Even so, according to Glantz, they were plagued by an ineffective defense doctrine against well-trained and experienced German forces, despite possessing some modern Soviet equipment such as theKV-1 and T-34 tanks.
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At the same time, worried by the possibility of American support after their entry into the war following the Attack on Pearl Harbor, and a potential Anglo-American invasion on the Western Front in 1942 (which would not actually happen until 1944), Hitler shifted his primary goal from an immediate victory in the East, to the more long-term goal of securing the southern Soviet Union to protect oil fields vital to the long-term German war effort.[SUP][69[/SUP]

The Germans did attempt an encirclement attack at Kursk, which was successfully repulsed by the Soviets[SUP][78][/SUP] after Hitler canceled the offensive, in part, because of the Allied invasion of Sicily,[SUP][79][/SUP] though the Soviets suffered over 800,000 casualties.[SUP][80][/SUP]

Yeah, it is hard to understand the Soviets...



also from wikipedia on the Red Army...


Red Army

The unprepared Soviet forces suffered much damage in the field because of mediocre officers, partial mobilization, an incomplete reorganization and mainly because they were arranged to attack Central Europe, and not to defend Soviet territory.[SUP][39][/SUP] The hasty pre-war forces expansion and the over-promotion of inexperienced officers (owing to the purging of experienced officers) favored the Wehrmacht in combat.[SUP][39][/SUP]

And another great mistake by Stalin that almost lost the war for the Soviets...

Purges

Further information: Case of Trotskyist Anti-Soviet Military Organization
The late 1930s saw the so-called Purges of the Red Army Cadres, which occurred concurrently with Stalin's Great Purge of Soviet society. In 1936 and 1937, at the orders of Stalin, thousands of Red Army officers were dismissed from their commands. The purges had the objective of cleansing the Red Army of the "politically unreliable elements", mainly among higher-ranking officers. This inevitably provided a convenient pretext for the settling of personal vendettas or to eliminate competition by officers seeking the same command. Many army, corps, and divisional commanders were sacked, most were imprisoned or sent to labor camps; others were executed. Among the victims was the Red Army's primary military theorist, Marshal Mikhail Tukhachevsky, perceived by Stalin as a potential political rival. Officers who remained soon found all of their decisions being closely examined by political officers, even in mundane matters such as record-keeping and field training exercises.[SUP][72][/SUP] An atmosphere of fear and unwillingness to take the initiative soon pervaded the Red Army; suicide rates among junior officers rose to record levels.[SUP][72][/SUP] Most historians believe that the purges significantly impaired the combat capabilities of the Red Army. However, the extent of the consequential damage attributable to them is still debated.
Recently declassified data indicate that in 1937, at the height of the Purges, the Red Army had 114,300 officers, of whom 11,034 were dismissed. In 1938, the Red Army had 179,000 officers, 56% more than in 1937, of whom a further 6,742 were sacked. In the highest echelons of the Red Army the Purges removed 3 of 5 marshals, 13 of 15 army generals, 8 of 9 admirals, 50 of 57 army corps generals, 154 out of 186 division generals, 16 of 16 army commissars, and 25 of 28 army corps commissars.[SUP][73][/SUP]
The result was that the Red Army officer corps in 1941 had many inexperienced senior officers. While 60% of regimental commanders had two years or more of command experience in June 1941, and almost 80% of rifle division commanders, only 20% of corps commanders, and 5% or fewer army and military district commanders, had the same level of experience.[SUP][74][/SUP]

 

[konradv]

When we told people that allowing women to be in the military, in particular the combat arms, that it would end up changing the physical fitness standards required to be a soldier, and marine, you told us that wouldn't happen.....

It is about to happen....

Left wingers in our government can't stand the fact that women cannot meet the physical fitness standards....so now they want to change them...

We told you this would happen.....now that they know women can't meet the same standard, how long before they lower the standards?

Our enemies are laughing....

The United States Army is reportedly considering doing away with its new “gender-neutral physical test” after test results showed that the majority of women failed while approximately 90 percent of men passed. Officials are reportedly considering having different evaluation categories for men and women due to the physiological differences between the two.

“Research showed that the Army Combat Fitness Test [ACFT], which is the same for male and female soldiers, was leading to lower results for women with a knock-on effect for promotions,” The Telegraph reported. “An early Pentagon study showed that women were failing the ACFT at a rate of 65 per cent, while only 10 percent of men did.”


A report from last fall found that 54 percent of women failed the test while only 7 percent of men failed it.

The report said that Congress, which is controlled by the Democrats, stopped the new program from being implemented and the Army is reviewing whether it is fair. Congress does not want the test as it is current constructed to factor into opportunities for advancement, the report said.

U.S. Army Considers Reversing ‘Gender-Neutral Physical Test’ After Majority Of Women Fail To Keep Up With Men: Report | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

Most military jobs don't require going over-the-top, so.

And? When a base is over run by the enemy all hands have to be able to fight....you doofus.

Who said they wouldn't? Tucker Carlson? I'll take the word of people who've been there.

 

[2aguy]

The Histories say the Russians needed them

I can imagine the wild leftwing history you are referring to

dont forget the soviets were the progressives of their day

Several Histories. From several sources. Why did the German Invasion fail? They had superior tactics, weapons, and training. They could have, should have won. The flaw was that they were operating on a number of erroneous assumptions.

First. The numbers of soldiers they were facing. Second the willingness to fight to the end of those soldiers. Third, the ability of the Soviets to endure and continue fighting. Fourth, the women.

There were others. But those assumptions were the death of the greatest Army of the Era. Well trained and equipped soldiers. Competently commanded with revolutionary tactics.

It is interesting to note that even at the end, when Germany was putting schoolboys in uniform and sending them out to fight, they never used the women. They felt as you did and lost a huge opportunity to survive. 12 year old boys were fine. Adult women were not.

But men. Manly men. Those are what we want. Men like the Spartans. Perfect examples of courage and physical fitness. Of course the Spartans had enforced homosexuality. But we will pretend that is not the point.

List of female Heroes of the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The Guards bomber regiment. They were called the Night Witches. The Germans hated them.

These women flying old planes would start their attack run by cutting the engine off. They glided in silently and only restarted the engine after dropping their bombs. This gave the Germans no warning.

If the engine did not start. They died. If the Germans got them they died. The planes were slow.

There are other examples in history. Since it was not covered in Junior High you never bothered to learn it.

One example to highlight.....if not for the U.S......Russia would have fallen....

The Germans did attempt an encirclement attack at Kursk, which was successfully repulsed by the Soviets[SUP][78][/SUP] after Hitler canceled the offensive, in part, because of the Allied invasion of Sicily,[SUP][79][/SUP] though the Soviets suffered over 800,000 casualties.[SUP][80][/SUP]

And this........

At the same time, worried by the possibility of American support after their entry into the war following the Attack on Pearl Harbor, and a potential Anglo-American invasion on the Western Front in 1942 (which would not actually happen until 1944), Hitler shifted his primary goal from an immediate victory in the East, to the more long-term goal of securing the southern Soviet Union to protect oil fields vital to the long-term German war effort.[SUP][69[/SUP]

I know, I know.........when you read leftist history it is all "Russia won world war 2......" But the reality is they almost lost their country because of the communist morons in charge...

 

[22lcidw]

The Histories say the Russians needed them

I can imagine the wild leftwing history you are referring to

dont forget the soviets were the progressives of their day

Several Histories. From several sources. Why did the German Invasion fail? They had superior tactics, weapons, and training. They could have, should have won. The flaw was that they were operating on a number of erroneous assumptions.

First. The numbers of soldiers they were facing. Second the willingness to fight to the end of those soldiers. Third, the ability of the Soviets to endure and continue fighting. Fourth, the women.

There were others. But those assumptions were the death of the greatest Army of the Era. Well trained and equipped soldiers. Competently commanded with revolutionary tactics.

It is interesting to note that even at the end, when Germany was putting schoolboys in uniform and sending them out to fight, they never used the women. They felt as you did and lost a huge opportunity to survive. 12 year old boys were fine. Adult women were not.

But men. Manly men. Those are what we want. Men like the Spartans. Perfect examples of courage and physical fitness. Of course the Spartans had enforced homosexuality. But we will pretend that is not the point.

List of female Heroes of the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The Guards bomber regiment. They were called the Night Witches. The Germans hated them.

These women flying old planes would start their attack run by cutting the engine off. They glided in silently and only restarted the engine after dropping their bombs. This gave the Germans no warning.

If the engine did not start. They died. If the Germans got them they died. The planes were slow.

There are other examples in history. Since it was not covered in Junior High you never bothered to learn it.

You speak of eras of endless wars. We are more refined today as even a century ago at least from the Western nations and we are still brutal. Fighting was different thousands of years ago and it was constant. Learning to be civilized and family oriented was a step by step process. Death and destruction was by two armies in a field against each other or by hordes invading towns and villages and plundering everything. Women do things that men can do. Some individual things better. As a whole complete weapon they are not as good. But you can bring a few names up. We are in decline as a nation in part because of your beliefs and others. In WW 2 we had massive production advantages over the enemy nations. We had women in those factories. Rosie the Riveter was great. The untold story is that in comparable production facilities males made the same products at least twice as good and ready for active war service then women. All military hardware had to be inspected and worked on when produced and sent to the European and Pacific theatres. We have watered down every thing in dangerous jobs in our nation. Or most of them. So Tucker Carlson backs up reality. But Brian "Suicide Man" Stelter rests comfortably in his mansion telling us all that a 100 pound woman is going to carry a hundred pound backpack for many miles in a ground deployment war zone. He is a murderer you know. Just not indicted.

 

[2aguy]

No....they lost because the Germans were being pressed in Italy and in Europe..

SavannahMann must get his russian history from books written by betty friedan and gloria steinem

Likely from that "People's History of the World," or whatever it is called...by that doofus matt damon quotes in Good Will Hunting....