Women and minorities represent less than 10% of pilots, yet were factors in four out of eight crashes (50%).

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Do you have a source and a link other than AI?


Atlas Air Flight 3591 was a crash of a commercial aircraft. A Boeing 767-375ER(BCF) to be exact.

Atlas Air Flight 3591 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Keep in mind that crashing commerical jets are a threat to people on the ground. The recent UPS jet crash killed 12 on the ground.

Do you not understand the difference between commercial passenger flights and commercial cargo flights?

Commercial means = for profit
Passenger means = the flight transports people
Cargo means = the flight doesn't transport people, only items like packages, home goods, etc.

Your article claims that the commercial passenger airline industry is LESS safe due to DEI which people who don't understand what diversity, equity and inclusion actually is and does, wrongly presume means that the FAA is licensing, and the airlines are hiring, people who cannot meet industry standards, which is just a flat-out wrong assumption.

Anyone wanting to set out to prove that DEI is the root cause of problem in an industry where an error results in the loss of a large number of human lives, should not attempt to use the commercial airline industry as an example. That's because to become an airline transport pilot (ATP) and ultimately land in the left seat as captain, the individual has to qualify at numerous points before they're allowed to progress. But the most important thing about each level they ascend to, is that the requirements to master each level are objective, not subjective, and this is what you all simply do not understand. This is where you either meet the requirements or you don't, DEI has NO impact whatsoever on a candidate's ability to meet FAA requirements or the FAA or airlines' inability to override that.

Putting the above aside for the moment and getting back to the reason why the Atlas Airline flight was not included is the same reason that the tragic UPS flight was not included - neither of them carry passengers which is what the article you linked to is discussing, DEI hiring practices allegedly endangering passengers.

Furthermore, the UPS crash is especially tragic because the flight crew had no chance of recovering their aircraft because the port engine separated from the fuselage, presumably severing the fuel lines which then spewed aviation fuel which immediately caught fire. The NTSB reports that the plane only obtained a height of 30 feet before crashing.

You brought it up and appear to want it included in the dataset but how exactly did DEI have anything to do with this tragedy, let alone cause the plane to crash?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Do you have a source and a link other than AI?

You can Google it.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Poor thing, you are so oppressed. But remember, white people pay for your EBT and Section 8 housing. Plus you get to steal all you want from Walmart, treat white people badly but cry racism when they treat you the same, and you don't have to pay attention in school or even go to school and the system will take care of everything for you. There still is meritocracy in this country, but you don't seem to want to take advantage of it because you are taken care of by white people. White Liberals call that oppression.

So much ignorance in a single paragraph.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Keep in mind that crashing commerical jets are a threat to people on the ground. The recent UPS jet crash killed 12 on the ground.

This crash was not caused by the flight crew, the port wing engine (left engine) FELL OFF OF THE PLANE.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Do you have a source and a link other than AI?

AI is not a "source", the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) is the ultimate authority regarding what caused a plane to crash. Any other sources will either pull data from the NTSB and combine it with other sources but AI is not a collection of data. It simply has the same access to information that we do, the advantage to using it is that it "knows" about (has access to) sources that I may not but all it does is retrieve whatever I'm asking for. This is only one of the things it's capable of doing though.

 

[DonGlock26]

Do you not understand the difference between commercial passenger flights and commercial cargo flights?

I do. Did you read the OP article? He speaks of commercial flights.

 

[DonGlock26]

You can Google it.

Evasion noted.

 

[DonGlock26]

This crash was not caused by the flight crew, the port wing engine (left engine) FELL OFF OF THE PLANE.

The incident I mentioned shows that commercial cargo flights that crash threaten the lives of more than the air crew. Get it?



How many crashes have been caused by DEI hired ground crew?

 

[DonGlock26]

AI is not a "source", the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) is the ultimate authority regarding what caused a plane to crash. Any other sources will either pull data from the NTSB and combine it with other sources but AI is not a collection of data. It simply has the same access to information that we do, the advantage to using it is that it "knows" about (has access to) sources that I may not but all it does is retrieve whatever I'm asking for. This is only one of the things it's capable of doing though.

You used AI searches and cut and pasted them into this thread, didn't you?

 

[IM2]

Just out of curiosity, you didn't start with the beginning of the thread, you just zoomed in on my comments?

You might be interested to know that my undergrad degree is in aeronautical science and I was required to read, analyze and write a book report on any NTSB accident report of my choosing. So, my understanding of aviation extends beyond just what I read on the internet, This is the report I selected for my assignment: National Airlines Flight Ends in Escambia Bay

Response 82

"The NTSB’s official accident database and final probable cause reports for each fatal U.S. commercial airline crash since 2000.
Core source for U.S. airline crash causation is:
National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) Final Accident Reports

For each accident, the NTSB publishes:

• Probable cause
• Contributing factors
• Crew identities
• Aircraft data
• Maintenance findings
• CVR summaries
• Docket materials

You can verify directly from:
Home
(Search by flight number in the Aviation Accident Database)

1. Alaska Airlines 261 (2000)
   NTSB Report DCA00MA023 – Probable cause: jackscrew lubrication failure.
2. American Airlines 587 (2001)
   NTSB Report DCA02MA001 – Probable cause: excessive rudder inputs by first officer.
3. Air Midwest 5481 (2003)
   NTSB Report DCA03MA022 – Improper elevator rigging + improper weight & balance.
4. Colgan 9446 (2003)
   NTSB Report NYC03MA183 – Elevator trim cable mis-rigging + checklist failure.
5. Comair 5191 (2006)
   NTSB Report DCA06MA064 – Wrong runway departure.
6. Colgan 3407 (2009)
   NTSB Report DCA09MA027 – Captain’s inappropriate response to stall warning.
7. Asiana 214 (2013)
   NTSB Report DCA13MA120 – Unstable approach, automation mismanagement.
8. Reagan 2025 Mid-Air
   NTSB docket DCA25MA108 – Airspace management + helicopter visual separation issues.

• FAA records
• Official airline press releases
• Major media (Reuters, AP, BBC)
• NTSB public dockets

Importantly:
None of those reports cite gender, race, or DEI policy as causal factors."

As I said, people with not such education should not argue with one who has.

Do you MAGATS understand?

You are not qualified to argue with Newsvine on this topic.

COMPARED TO YOU, SHE IS THE EXPERT HERE!

You do so because you are WEI.

 

[IM2]

The incident I mentioned shows that commercial cargo flights that crash threaten the lives of more than the air crew. Get it?



How many crashes have been caused by DEI hired ground crew?

Fewer than when the crews were all white.

 

[IM2]

You used AI searches and cut and pasted them into this thread, didn't you?

Again, she has shown you that she is educated in this area, which you are not.

You are not qualified to question or argue with her knowledge about this subject.

 

[DonGlock26]

Again, she has shown you that she is educated in this area, which you are not.

You are not qualified to question or argue with her knowledge about this subject.

I’m not too impressed by AI cut and paste jobs. Especially when they miss one of the commercial jet crashes specifically mentioned in the OP article.

 

[DonGlock26]

Fewer than when the crews were all white.

Source?

 

[DonGlock26]

WRONG. THAT'S ONLY ACCORDING TO YOU WHITE RACIST REPUBLICAN PIECES OF TRASH.

What???

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

The incident I mentioned shows that commercial cargo flights that crash threaten the lives of more than the air crew. Get it?

How many crashes have been caused by DEI hired ground crew?

What I get is that even though I have explained to you, multiple times now that a commercial flight covers BOTH passenger and cargo flights but ONLY passenger flights carry people (passengers), you're still trying to prove something that can't be proven. Or to put it another way, you're still trying to prove something that the data simply does not support. You & Dan Huff thought you knew what you were talking about but utterly failed in proving what he set out to prove.

Your article was SPECIFIC to PASSENGER flights:
"Three million Americans will BOARD a plane today assuming the pilot earned that seat through merit. They shouldn’t."

No one BOARDS a CARGO flight. Therefore, your inclusion of crash statistics of cargo jets is not PROPER because you're combining data on different types of events.

And this AFTER you've been told repeatedly that the NTSB does not include demographic data as causal because it's not, while you have been shown all of the factors that are causal.

So that only leaves one conclusion.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Evasion noted.

It's not an evasion. I have access to a multitude of sources that you don't. It's not that I can't provide you with a source, I simply choose not to because you've demonstrated you've not interested in debating in good faith. You and Huff will lie and cheat in your efforts to attempt to make your point so no, I'm not going to help you any further.

Do your own damn research.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

How many crashes have been caused by DEI hired ground crew?

Why are you moving the goal posts? The article is about the pilots flying commercial passengers for the airlines. NOW you want to change the stats to a whole new category of workers? The ground crew & maintenance?

Is it really that difficult for you to simply say "oh, I was mistaken"?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

As I said, people with not such education should not argue with one who has.

Do you MAGATS understand?

You are not qualified to argue with Newsvine on this topic.

COMPARED TO YOU, SHE IS THE EXPERT HERE!

You do so because you are WEI.

And he still doesn't get that AI is not a repository of information, actually he and others are kind of paranoid about it.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

I’m not too impressed by AI cut and paste jobs. Especially when they miss one of the commercial jet crashes specifically mentioned in the OP article.

Atlas Air was a cargo flight not a passenger flight.

And furthermore, the pilot in command was a white male. Because he was the captain, he's ultimately responsible for what happens with that aircraft, not that I like blaming any of the flight crew when a plane crashes unless they intentionally crashed the plane.

This guy tried although he wasn't successful and only served a few months in jail even though he put the lives of everyone on that flight in jeopardy:

https://abcnews.com/US/former-alaska-airlines-pilot-shut-engines-midflight-avoid/story