Why Would Holocaust Deniers Lie.

[namvet]

deadmind don't know any more about this than what's down its pants. nothin'

namvet,
I thought you were going to leave.

did some research and found your photo. why didn't you tell us your a raghead faggot???

 

[freemind]

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Fuck the holocaust and Jews in general. They have nothing to do with National Socialism. If every single filthy Jew went flying off into space like gravity failed to work on their bodies, it wouldn't cause a hair to move on my head. It would mean about as much to me as a single drop of rain during a rainstorm hitting the ground. If I never hear the word Jew again, I would love it.

What have you got against Jews?

Dr Grump,
That's like asking me to list all of the species of beetle on the planet.

 

[freemind]

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Fuck the holocaust and Jews in general. They have nothing to do with National Socialism. If every single filthy Jew went flying off into space like gravity failed to work on their bodies, it wouldn't cause a hair to move on my head. It would mean about as much to me as a single drop of rain during a rainstorm hitting the ground. If I never hear the word Jew again, I would love it.

What have you got against Jews?

he's a Muslim raghead. simple as that

namvet,
Is telling lies the best you can do? I am White. Not sand negro.

 

[namvet]

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Fuck the holocaust and Jews in general. They have nothing to do with National Socialism. If every single filthy Jew went flying off into space like gravity failed to work on their bodies, it wouldn't cause a hair to move on my head. It would mean about as much to me as a single drop of rain during a rainstorm hitting the ground. If I never hear the word Jew again, I would love it.

What have you got against Jews?

he's a Muslim raghead. simple as that

namvet,
Is telling lies the best you can do? I am White. Not sand negro.

your not white so what are you lost tourist. liar

 

[namvet]

The 3rd question should be: What are they trying to hide and Why? ......

a perfect example of how banning legitimizes it in the eyes of it's adherents...it becomes legitimized as "what are they trying to supress".

Coyote-----sunni agrees with your assessment that the filth of Nazism is
legitimate and that the genocide was GOOD IN THE EYES OF ALLAH AND
HIS RAPIST PAL MUHUMMAD

Put down the bottle Rosie.

read the last few posts coyote-----sunni has endorse your post because he interprets it as an endorsement of the legitimacy of Nazi genocide of jews and
Islamic denial thereof. Your comment is-----typically vulgar

Jews have and are committing genocide, Germans have not. Germans fought a war.

 

[freemind]

Who would have reason to lie about the holocaust and why. If the holocaust happened as is generally believed, why would there be those who would deny it. Let's list the reasons.
1. To make money. There are people who write books or give lectures to make money by supporting all sorts of conspiracy theories. I imagine holocaust denial would fit right in.
2. To cover the guilt of having killed so many "innocent" people. Which is no reason to me. There are people out there who would say that even if 6 million Jews were killed, it wasn't nearly enough.
3. To help sell the idea of White patriotism not being so bad by saying White patriots didn't kill as many Jews as is generally believed.
4. Those who don't like the Jews would likely be interested in slandering them by saying that the Jews mostly made up the whole holocaust thing.

Now let's say that the holocaust was largely a fabrication. Why would people lie by saying that 6 million Jews were killed. Let's list those reasons.
1. For the victors to demonize their enemies is a tactic that is probably as old as mankind. A holocaust story would help do that.
2. In 1933, a London newspaper headline read, "Judea declares war on Germany." And in war it is said that truth is the first casuality. The Jews controlled the movie industry. They may have also had a major influence in the raido industry. This gave them a huge "soapbox" from which to spread their lies.
3. Jews probably sought revenge against the Germans for having dared to deport or force out the "chosen of GOD!"
4. Reparations were made by Germany for the whole holocaust thing. As far as I know, they're still being made. If the holocaust was shown to largely have been a fraud, those reparations would dry up. Jews may even have to pay most of them back.
5. The U.S. might lessen its funding of Israel. A country that it already gave nuclear weapons to.
6. By playing the "pity" card, Jews can get away with far more.
7. For many Christians, a good way to prove the power of their imaginary god is to support the Jewish people.
8. If the holocaust was ever disproved, Jews might again be persecuted.
9. National Socialism was economically sucessful. Capitalism wasn't and still isn't. To support "The American Way," it would be very helpful to discredit National Socialism in any way possible.
10. Stalin was the real monster. The holocaust and other things could be supported so the U.S. doesn't look so bad for having supported Stalin.
11. If the holocaust was shown to largely be a fraud, most people would feel extrmemly suckered. They would lose even more faith in the U.S. government.
12. German National Socialism wasn't into the whole multiethnic society thing that is constantly being shoved down Americans throats. So to support their multiethnic society, they have to discredit the White patriot national socialist party. Etc.

Keep in mind that history is written by the victors. Consider the power the U.S. government and the jews have to see that their version of history prevails. Compare to that to the power of the few who seek the truth for the truth's sake. Holocaust deniers vs holocaust promoters. Holocaust promoters have much more reason to lie.

Why would racists hate? Hate's irrational and serves no useful purpose. So asking what irrational people do those irrational things is asking why are they irrational? Hate like that is learned and taught. If you're raised with it it's all you know and you never consider anything else. Racial hatred is akin to the people of DPRK who love their Dear Leader because they've been conditioned to love him. The thought of not loving him and supporting his even to their detriment doesn't even occur to them as an option. Same with racists. That hate is comforting because it's familar.

D4E,
Is talking out of your ass the best you can do? Apart from some humans, all the creatures on the planet are "racist." And it is probably like that on every life bearing planet throughout infinity. But somehow, your conditioned "politically correct" views are right. Are you really that far gone in the head? There is an area where bobcats and lynx home ranges overlap. Depend on the pairing, they can interbreed and have viable offspring. But usually don't. There is an area where the home ranges of white tail deer and mule deer overlap. They could interbreed, but usually don't. Etc times zillions.

That is the way things really work. Not your delusional ideas. Even babies have been found to be "bigoted." Why? There are many reasons. But the most important is that not only is "racism" good and natural, but absolutely necessary to the developement of separate species. Which in the event of some cataclysm. could help some to survive. Is that enough of a "useful purpose" for you?

 

[freemind]

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Fuck the holocaust and Jews in general. They have nothing to do with National Socialism. If every single filthy Jew went flying off into space like gravity failed to work on their bodies, it wouldn't cause a hair to move on my head. It would mean about as much to me as a single drop of rain during a rainstorm hitting the ground. If I never hear the word Jew again, I would love it.

What have you got against Jews?

he's a Muslim raghead. simple as that

namvet,
Is telling lies the best you can do? I am White. Not sand negro.

your not white so what are you lost tourist. liar

namvet,
First of all, bite me. Next, you bring up an interesting point with yout tourist thing. Some years ago I was watching some news thing about European tourists in Floridia. There were state police cars parked at some exit ramps that led to negro parts of town. They would pull over White people and tell them that they should go elsewhere. Apparently there have been too many naive White European toursts getting robbed or murdered by mistakenly getting off the freeway into negro populated parts of town.

 

[namvet]

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Fuck the holocaust and Jews in general. They have nothing to do with National Socialism. If every single filthy Jew went flying off into space like gravity failed to work on their bodies, it wouldn't cause a hair to move on my head. It would mean about as much to me as a single drop of rain during a rainstorm hitting the ground. If I never hear the word Jew again, I would love it.

What have you got against Jews?

he's a Muslim raghead. simple as that

namvet,
Is telling lies the best you can do? I am White. Not sand negro.

your not white so what are you lost tourist. liar

namvet,
First of all, bite me. Next, you bring up an interesting point with yout tourist thing. Some years ago I was watching some news thing about European tourists in Floridia. There were state police cars parked at some exit ramps that led to negro parts of town. They would pull over White people and tell them that they should go elsewhere. Apparently there have been too many naive White European toursts getting robbed or murdered by mistakenly getting off the freeway into negro populated parts of town.

first of all suck me

 

[Coyote]

Because 6 mil is a magic no. quoted before 1922 when in Russia. No doubt a few million jews probably died in WWii, but they say over 65 million people died. Its time to quit making it about Jews, and frankly I do not believe there were large gas chambers. The wealthy Jews in Germany got out fine, they cared less about the Polish Jews, who by they way had their own partisan groups fighting . To make WWII about Jews is to decreased the value of life of non jews. Also Judea declared war on Germany when Hitler got elected.

2/3 of the Jewish population of Europe were exterminated - because they were Jews. Can you get your mind around that figure?

Coyote,
What you can't seem to get your mind around is that you have bought into a load of horse shit. There are Red Cross documents that say that 271,000 Jews died in the holocaust. There are more thouroughly researched findings that put the numbers at 300,000 to 600,000. Also, if you watch the documentary I mentioned, they will SHOW you several newspaper articles that appeared in various newspapers between the years of 1915-1938. They talked about something bad happening to 6 million Jews. How much of a sucker are you to believe the same bullshit number about the holocaust.

I'm sure you cann provide links to support your claims?

 

[Coyote]

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Fuck the holocaust and Jews in general. They have nothing to do with National Socialism. If every single filthy Jew went flying off into space like gravity failed to work on their bodies, it wouldn't cause a hair to move on my head. It would mean about as much to me as a single drop of rain during a rainstorm hitting the ground. If I never hear the word Jew again, I would love it.

What have you got against Jews?

he's a Muslim raghead. simple as that

namvet,
Is telling lies the best you can do? I am White. Not sand negro.

your not white so what are you lost tourist. liar

namvet,
First of all, bite me. Next, you bring up an interesting point with yout tourist thing. Some years ago I was watching some news thing about European tourists in Floridia. There were state police cars parked at some exit ramps that led to negro parts of town. They would pull over White people and tell them that they should go elsewhere. Apparently there have been too many naive White European toursts getting robbed or murdered by mistakenly getting off the freeway into negro populated parts of town.

Namvet is far too well mannered to bite a person with an unknown innoculation history.

 

[Coyote]

I guess this is where we start pretending that Hitler was provoked by the Jews, didn't intend on killing them but only expelling them (because he kindly wanted to keep the families intact), that there was no extensive documentation by the Germans and all the Jews that survived the concentration camps were lying and...

Coyote,
I know that you get along just fine being brainwashed beyond all recognition. But take the red pill. Also, if it would have helped sell the allied version of events, they would have uncovered shitload of German documents talking about unicorns. When they say that history is written by the victors, that is the sort of thing they are talking about.

Germans were obsessive record keepers. Hard to get around that one.

You need to watch the documentary, "Adolf Hitler: The greatest story NEVER told." Enter the title into your browser. Click on the first website that comes up. Then scroll down that page. You will see all the parts of the documentary listed. In particular, watch "Part 21, The Leuchter findings." See if you can handle watching a Jew investigate what really went on at Auschwitz. If you think you can handle more, I suggest that you start at the end and work your way back from there. That way you can get to much of the really jucy stuff first.

I have an anaphelactic reaction to conspiracy theory crap.

 

[Coyote]

Oh lots of money made from WWII for the jews. Lots of sympathy as well. What a racket. Any of your distant relatives die in WWII. I think everyone alive has some. Hitler got a bad rap.

Ya....he killed 2/3 of the Jews in Europe and got a bad rap.

did you see any of the German jews stay , no.

Considering most were rounded up and killed...I can't blame them for not staying...just saying.

The German jews were Zionist and didn't want the religious jews in Israel. The only Polish jews the Zionist wanted were the ones who could fight. Hitler locked them up as he should, called concentration camps and work camps.

As he should? Why?

The Zionist has made WWII about them and well it is really, their ideology , Hitler and Stalin, neither wanted global communism. How do you think Hitler and the Germans felt when the Jews declared sanctions on Germany, a country that had opened its doors to the Jews, same way I imagine the Iraqis and Iranians felt. Now the US is the hated country, because you got the jews running the US. As many Poles died in the war, but who gives a rip.

OH MY GOD!!!!! A BOYCOTT IS A DECLARATION OF WAR!!!!! WE BETTER LOCK THEM UP AND KILL THEM!

Sorry...I get a little over excited at these things.

 

[Coyote]

BTY its against German law to deny it in public. a big fine and 5 years in the gray bar motel

Imagine that, can't debate the death of Jews in WWII , just non debatable. Thank Goodness I live in the USA and everything is debatable. When they tell you just believe, makes you wonder why. It has been so programed into people, most do not question it. Who in the heck cares, how many Germans died.

BTY its against German law to deny it in public. a big fine and 5 years in the gray bar motel

Imagine that, can't debate the death of Jews in WWII , just non debatable. Thank Goodness I live in the USA and everything is debatable. When they tell you just believe, makes you wonder why. It has been so programed into people, most do not question it. Who in the heck cares, how many Germans died.

all decent people care how many germans died and how many jews died and how many have died in the civil wars in Syria and in Yemen. Both denial and indifference are indicators of serious personality disorder. Indifference to massive genocide is the stuff of which islamo Nazis are made or more generally
it is the stuff of which the scum of humanity is made. I was a child in town full
of penelopianesque scum. Lots of "DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION" who insisted African blacks who were slaves on Plantations
were LUCKY to have been rescued from Africa. Histories of massive genocides
were ignored in the history classes-----especially those committed by the glorious
"EXPLORERS OF THE NEW WORLD" who came to the Americas seeking
TRUTH AND JUSTICE AND FREEDOM for all

irosie91,
You sure do talk a lot of crap. I doubt if you could find very many negros here in the U.S. who would rather be living in Africa. If it came to a choice between their ancestors having been slaves or them now living in Africa, I bet most would choose the their ancestors having been slaves alternative.

Never thought I'd say this but...I think Rosie's crap beats your crap any time.

 

[namvet]

Because 6 mil is a magic no. quoted before 1922 when in Russia. No doubt a few million jews probably died in WWii, but they say over 65 million people died. Its time to quit making it about Jews, and frankly I do not believe there were large gas chambers. The wealthy Jews in Germany got out fine, they cared less about the Polish Jews, who by they way had their own partisan groups fighting . To make WWII about Jews is to decreased the value of life of non jews. Also Judea declared war on Germany when Hitler got elected.

2/3 of the Jewish population of Europe were exterminated - because they were Jews. Can you get your mind around that figure?

Coyote,
What you can't seem to get your mind around is that you have bought into a load of horse shit. There are Red Cross documents that say that 271,000 Jews died in the holocaust. There are more thouroughly researched findings that put the numbers at 300,000 to 600,000. Also, if you watch the documentary I mentioned, they will SHOW you several newspaper articles that appeared in various newspapers between the years of 1915-1938. They talked about something bad happening to 6 million Jews. How much of a sucker are you to believe the same bullshit number about the holocaust.

I'm sure you cann provide links to support your claims?

no. he can't. he's not that smart

 

[Coyote]

Because 6 mil is a magic no. quoted before 1922 when in Russia. No doubt a few million jews probably died in WWii, but they say over 65 million people died. Its time to quit making it about Jews, and frankly I do not believe there were large gas chambers. The wealthy Jews in Germany got out fine, they cared less about the Polish Jews, who by they way had their own partisan groups fighting . To make WWII about Jews is to decreased the value of life of non jews. Also Judea declared war on Germany when Hitler got elected.

2/3 of the Jewish population of Europe were exterminated - because they were Jews. Can you get your mind around that figure?

Coyote,
What you can't seem to get your mind around is that you have bought into a load of horse shit. There are Red Cross documents that say that 271,000 Jews died in the holocaust. There are more thouroughly researched findings that put the numbers at 300,000 to 600,000. Also, if you watch the documentary I mentioned, they will SHOW you several newspaper articles that appeared in various newspapers between the years of 1915-1938. They talked about something bad happening to 6 million Jews. How much of a sucker are you to believe the same bullshit number about the holocaust.

I'm sure you cann provide links to support your claims?

no. he can't. he's not that smart

I'm an optimist!

 

[irosie91]

BTY its against German law to deny it in public. a big fine and 5 years in the gray bar motel

Imagine that, can't debate the death of Jews in WWII , just non debatable. Thank Goodness I live in the USA and everything is debatable. When they tell you just believe, makes you wonder why. It has been so programed into people, most do not question it. Who in the heck cares, how many Germans died.

BTY its against German law to deny it in public. a big fine and 5 years in the gray bar motel

Imagine that, can't debate the death of Jews in WWII , just non debatable. Thank Goodness I live in the USA and everything is debatable. When they tell you just believe, makes you wonder why. It has been so programed into people, most do not question it. Who in the heck cares, how many Germans died.

all decent people care how many germans died and how many jews died and how many have died in the civil wars in Syria and in Yemen. Both denial and indifference are indicators of serious personality disorder. Indifference to massive genocide is the stuff of which islamo Nazis are made or more generally
it is the stuff of which the scum of humanity is made. I was a child in town full
of penelopianesque scum. Lots of "DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION" who insisted African blacks who were slaves on Plantations
were LUCKY to have been rescued from Africa. Histories of massive genocides
were ignored in the history classes-----especially those committed by the glorious
"EXPLORERS OF THE NEW WORLD" who came to the Americas seeking
TRUTH AND JUSTICE AND FREEDOM for all

irosie91,
You sure do talk a lot of crap. I doubt if you could find very many negros here in the U.S. who would rather be living in Africa. If it came to a choice between their ancestors having been slaves or them now living in Africa, I bet most would choose the their ancestors having been slaves alternative.

Never thought I'd say this but...I think Rosie's crap beats your crap any time.

aw shucks ------I am SO honored

 

[irosie91]

Who would have reason to lie about the holocaust and why. If the holocaust happened as is generally believed, why would there be those who would deny it. Let's list the reasons.
1. To make money. There are people who write books or give lectures to make money by supporting all sorts of conspiracy theories. I imagine holocaust denial would fit right in.
2. To cover the guilt of having killed so many "innocent" people. Which is no reason to me. There are people out there who would say that even if 6 million Jews were killed, it wasn't nearly enough.
3. To help sell the idea of White patriotism not being so bad by saying White patriots didn't kill as many Jews as is generally believed.
4. Those who don't like the Jews would likely be interested in slandering them by saying that the Jews mostly made up the whole holocaust thing.

Now let's say that the holocaust was largely a fabrication. Why would people lie by saying that 6 million Jews were killed. Let's list those reasons.
1. For the victors to demonize their enemies is a tactic that is probably as old as mankind. A holocaust story would help do that.
2. In 1933, a London newspaper headline read, "Judea declares war on Germany." And in war it is said that truth is the first casuality. The Jews controlled the movie industry. They may have also had a major influence in the raido industry. This gave them a huge "soapbox" from which to spread their lies.
3. Jews probably sought revenge against the Germans for having dared to deport or force out the "chosen of GOD!"
4. Reparations were made by Germany for the whole holocaust thing. As far as I know, they're still being made. If the holocaust was shown to largely have been a fraud, those reparations would dry up. Jews may even have to pay most of them back.
5. The U.S. might lessen its funding of Israel. A country that it already gave nuclear weapons to.
6. By playing the "pity" card, Jews can get away with far more.
7. For many Christians, a good way to prove the power of their imaginary god is to support the Jewish people.
8. If the holocaust was ever disproved, Jews might again be persecuted.
9. National Socialism was economically sucessful. Capitalism wasn't and still isn't. To support "The American Way," it would be very helpful to discredit National Socialism in any way possible.
10. Stalin was the real monster. The holocaust and other things could be supported so the U.S. doesn't look so bad for having supported Stalin.
11. If the holocaust was shown to largely be a fraud, most people would feel extrmemly suckered. They would lose even more faith in the U.S. government.
12. German National Socialism wasn't into the whole multiethnic society thing that is constantly being shoved down Americans throats. So to support their multiethnic society, they have to discredit the White patriot national socialist party. Etc.

Keep in mind that history is written by the victors. Consider the power the U.S. government and the jews have to see that their version of history prevails. Compare to that to the power of the few who seek the truth for the truth's sake. Holocaust deniers vs holocaust promoters. Holocaust promoters have much more reason to lie.

Why would racists hate? Hate's irrational and serves no useful purpose. So asking what irrational people do those irrational things is asking why are they irrational? Hate like that is learned and taught. If you're raised with it it's all you know and you never consider anything else. Racial hatred is akin to the people of DPRK who love their Dear Leader because they've been conditioned to love him. The thought of not loving him and supporting his even to their detriment doesn't even occur to them as an option. Same with racists. That hate is comforting because it's familar.

D4E,
Is talking out of your ass the best you can do? Apart from some humans, all the creatures on the planet are "racist." And it is probably like that on every life bearing planet throughout infinity. But somehow, your conditioned "politically correct" views are right. Are you really that far gone in the head? There is an area where bobcats and lynx home ranges overlap. Depend on the pairing, they can interbreed and have viable offspring. But usually don't. There is an area where the home ranges of white tail deer and mule deer overlap. They could interbreed, but usually don't. Etc times zillions.

That is the way things really work. Not your delusional ideas. Even babies have been found to be "bigoted." Why? There are many reasons. But the most important is that not only is "racism" good and natural, but absolutely necessary to the developement of separate species. Which in the event of some cataclysm. could help some to survive. Is that enough of a "useful purpose" for you?

babies have not been found to be bigoted-----they are very observant of the reactions of their MOTHERS ----if a mom reacts negatively ---for example to a
black person------so will they. If a mom reacts negatively to boiled beets---so
will they

 

[irosie91]

Oh lots of money made from WWII for the jews. Lots of sympathy as well. What a racket. Any of your distant relatives die in WWII. I think everyone alive has some. Hitler got a bad rap.

Ya....he killed 2/3 of the Jews in Europe and got a bad rap.

did you see any of the German jews stay , no.

Considering most were rounded up and killed...I can't blame them for not staying...just saying.

The German jews were Zionist and didn't want the religious jews in Israel. The only Polish jews the Zionist wanted were the ones who could fight. Hitler locked them up as he should, called concentration camps and work camps.

As he should? Why?

The Zionist has made WWII about them and well it is really, their ideology , Hitler and Stalin, neither wanted global communism. How do you think Hitler and the Germans felt when the Jews declared sanctions on Germany, a country that had opened its doors to the Jews, same way I imagine the Iraqis and Iranians felt. Now the US is the hated country, because you got the jews running the US. As many Poles died in the war, but who gives a rip.

OH MY GOD!!!!! A BOYCOTT IS A DECLARATION OF WAR!!!!! WE BETTER LOCK THEM UP AND KILL THEM!

Sorry...I get a little over excited at these things.

a boycott is an act of war ONLY when it is jews who are boycotting-----when
islamo Nazis boycott jews it is an act of piety in the name of allah

 

[irosie91]

I guess this is where we start pretending that Hitler was provoked by the Jews, didn't intend on killing them but only expelling them (because he kindly wanted to keep the families intact), that there was no extensive documentation by the Germans and all the Jews that survived the concentration camps were lying and...

Coyote,
I know that you get along just fine being brainwashed beyond all recognition. But take the red pill. Also, if it would have helped sell the allied version of events, they would have uncovered shitload of German documents talking about unicorns. When they say that history is written by the victors, that is the sort of thing they are talking about.

Germans were obsessive record keepers. Hard to get around that one.

You need to watch the documentary, "Adolf Hitler: The greatest story NEVER told." Enter the title into your browser. Click on the first website that comes up. Then scroll down that page. You will see all the parts of the documentary listed. In particular, watch "Part 21, The Leuchter findings." See if you can handle watching a Jew investigate what really went on at Auschwitz. If you think you can handle more, I suggest that you start at the end and work your way back from there. That way you can get to much of the really jucy stuff first.

I have an anaphelactic reaction to conspiracy theory crap.

ANAPH-Y-LACTIC do you get "hives"----that is red blotches upon
you skin----mostly face and neck? Do you get short of breath?

 

[Penelope]

Oh lots of money made from WWII for the jews. Lots of sympathy as well. What a racket. Any of your distant relatives die in WWII. I think everyone alive has some. Hitler got a bad rap.

Ya....he killed 2/3 of the Jews in Europe and got a bad rap.

did you see any of the German jews stay , no.

Considering most were rounded up and killed...I can't blame them for not staying...just saying.

The German jews were Zionist and didn't want the religious jews in Israel. The only Polish jews the Zionist wanted were the ones who could fight. Hitler locked them up as he should, called concentration camps and work camps.

As he should? Why?

The Zionist has made WWII about them and well it is really, their ideology , Hitler and Stalin, neither wanted global communism. How do you think Hitler and the Germans felt when the Jews declared sanctions on Germany, a country that had opened its doors to the Jews, same way I imagine the Iraqis and Iranians felt. Now the US is the hated country, because you got the jews running the US. As many Poles died in the war, but who gives a rip.

OH MY GOD!!!!! A BOYCOTT IS A DECLARATION OF WAR!!!!! WE BETTER LOCK THEM UP AND KILL THEM!

Sorry...I get a little over excited at these things.

It comes before the war, to weaken a country. Who told you all about WWII, let me think, the Zionist who even at that time controlled the media. You believe the OT and the rest of the people were pagan and horrible, gee who wrote those books?