Why would anyone object to Virginia’s new gun laws?

[Jitss617]

Seems like most of the sheriffs in Virginia Are telling the Democrats to shove the laws up your stupid asses lol

 

[Dick Foster]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

Not sensible or even legal.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

In case you so clueless you don't know, infringed means fucked with or limited in any manner whatsoever.

Of course the courts have always upheld restrictions on guns

Types of guns you can have, shooting in public, age restrictions, restrictions on carrying, felons owning guns...

I don't give a **** what the courts have upheld. The friggin court also found Jim Crow and other equally wrong and repulsive shit legal and legitmate, asshat. I can damn well read and make sense of a single clearly written sentence with no help from them or anyone else. You might not be smart enough but I sure as hell am.

 

[Mac-7]

You mean a total ban and confiscation

thats not acceptable

and would not succeed anyway since criminals do not obey the law

Gun confiscation is a red herring argument. It is about keeping guns out of the hands of lunatics. Virginia’s laws are more than sensible and reasonable. If SCOTUS rules otherwise so be it.

It depends on who gets to decide who is a lunatic. Can you spot a lunatic?

A judge does that. It's called due process.

So every person wishing to buy a gun, must go before a judge and prove they aren’t a lunatic. Is that how you envision it?

Not at all.

The red flag laws, which aren't one of the three that passed recently in Virginia, clearly state that someone who is a threat to themselves and others can have their weapons confiscated. First the government has to go through the courts to do it. They have to present evidence and witnesses to prove their claims.

It's called due process.

The red flag laws have nothing to do with buying a weapon. So you are comparing apples with oranges and not doing it very well.

If a person can't pass a background check there has already been legal and due process that caused them to not pass. Such as a felony record or history of mental instability etc.

Its a law that will be easy for gun grabbing libs to abuse

 

[Chuz Life]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

Absolutely there is nothing in those laws that any rational person should find objectionable. It is about the public safety. Given comments on this board and others by right-wingers these are people that should not be anywhere near dangerous objects much less guns.

And your plan on getting CRIMINALS to obey these new laws????

Is what?

 

[Jitss617]

 

[Dick Foster]

The NRA interpretation is a fraud:

So well settled was the issue that, speaking on the PBS NewsHour in 1991, the retired Chief Justice Warren Burger described the National Rifle Association’s lobbying in support of an expansive interpretation of the Second Amendment in these terms: “One of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud, on the American public by special-interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime.”

I place more importance on the opinion of the Founder who wrote the 2nd Amendment than an unelected judge 200 years later

Which is idiotic given the fact it was the Framers’ intent that the courts determine what the Constitution means – including the Second Amendment.

I dont think the Framers intended to Court to become the uncontrollable monster that it has

The court has been pushing their constitutional bounds since justice John Marshall and they need reigning in. Thankfully for us that is just exactly what Trump has been up too among his other much needed good deeds done for the good of this nation

 

[hadit]

3. Allow localities to ban guns in some public areas

What ever happened to local rule? If a locality wants to ban carrying guns in parks and playgrounds, why shouldn’t they?

/—-/ Banning voting in some precincts would be a local rule too.

Sorry pal

But we don’t want you carrying your gun at sporting events, schools and public festivals

If you don’t feel safe without your gun...avoid public areas

Localities should be able to allow it though, right?

 

[Chuz Life]

Liberty to me is going to church and not fearing I will be shot in the head during a hymnal.

So a simple passing of more laws that CRIMINALS don't give a shit about is all it takes for you to "feel" safer?

If some thug happens to put a gun to your head and rob you? Make sure you refer him to the recent laws. That will teach em.

 

[Nostra]

because they violate the Constitution.

That should be enough even for you.

Lets agree...

You should not be allowed to buy gun until you show membership to a 'well regulated militia'....

I presume this Militia will be registered with the Government be it Local, State or Fed... Constitution doesn't say that.

Now if it is well regulated it would have a registry of all the guns in their militia.

So it is up to the Government to up hold the law and make sure the US Citizen is part of Well Regulated Militia and a Well Regulated Militia would register guns... And that is the constitution...

“The right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms...”

“The right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms...”

None of those laws infringe on that right in any way.

Yes, they do..

They don't.
None of them prevent you from purchasing any gun.

They prevent anyone from purchasing their second gun each month, Genius.

 

[Dick Foster]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

Not sensible or even legal.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

In case you so clueless you don't know, infringed means fucked with or limited in any manner whatsoever.

Of course the courts have always upheld restrictions on guns

Types of guns you can have, shooting in public, age restrictions, restrictions on carrying, felons owning guns...

Judicial rulings mean nothing when those rulings go against the U.S. Constitution. Remember, the country's worst President in regard to violating the constitution was Barack Hussein Obama, a self-professed "constitutional scholar."

It is up to our courts to determine Constitutionality

NOT anonymous internet posters

It's up to the American people you useless shitforbrains. Or do the the words of, by and for the people mean absolutely nothing to you?
Question for you. Have you ever sworn the oath to protect and defend the constitution? Another question what have you ever invested in this nation?

 

[JGalt]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

Not sensible or even legal.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

In case you so clueless you don't know, infringed means fucked with or limited in any manner whatsoever.

Of course the courts have always upheld restrictions on guns

Types of guns you can have, shooting in public, age restrictions, restrictions on carrying, felons owning guns...

Judicial rulings mean nothing when those rulings go against the U.S. Constitution. Remember, the country's worst President in regard to violating the constitution was Barack Hussein Obama, a self-professed "constitutional scholar."

It is up to our courts to determine Constitutionality

NOT anonymous internet posters

It's up to the American people you useless shitforbrains. Or do the the words of, by and for the people mean absolutely nothing to you?
Question for you. Have you ever sworn the oath to protect and defend the constitution? Another question what have you ever invested in this nation?

Well to be fair, voting for Hillary was his "investment" in this country's future.

 

[Flash]

I (and every real American) would object to the filthy background checks for three reasons:

1. They don't work. Anybody wanting to commit a crime with a gun can get one without a background check.

2. It is an assumption of guilty until proven innocent. Against everything America stands for.

3. It is getting permission for the filthy government to enjoy a right guaranteed in the Bill of Rights. If you have to get permission from the government before being allowed the right then it really isn't a right, is it? That means the BORs is not worth the parchment it is written on.

 

[rightwinger]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

Not sensible or even legal.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

In case you so clueless you don't know, infringed means fucked with or limited in any manner whatsoever.

Of course the courts have always upheld restrictions on guns

Types of guns you can have, shooting in public, age restrictions, restrictions on carrying, felons owning guns...

Judicial rulings mean nothing when those rulings go against the U.S. Constitution. Remember, the country's worst President in regard to violating the constitution was Barack Hussein Obama, a self-professed "constitutional scholar."

It is up to our courts to determine Constitutionality

NOT anonymous internet posters

You probably won't still think that when the Supreme Court overturns Roe vs. Wade, will you?

Bet you'll be one of those "anonymous internet posters" who bitches and moans about it.

Let’s see it happen first before you make up shit

 

[rightwinger]

I (and every real American) would object to the filthy background checks for three reasons:

1. They don't work. Anybody wanting to commit a crime with a gun can get one without a background check.

2. It is an assumption of guilty until proven innocent. Against everything America stands for.

3. It is getting permission for the filthy government to enjoy a right guaranteed in the Bill of Rights. If you have to get permission from the government before being allowed the right then it really isn't a right, is it? That means the BORs is not worth the parchment it is written on.

So you want no restrictions on criminals getting guns

 

[basquebromance]

the people want black rifles, rather than a Governor in black face!

 

[Cellblock2429]

NYC makes me wait 3-6 months and pay $500 in fees just to keep a handgun in my apartment. how is that not infringement?

Who's talking about NYC?

It's what gun control nuts want in the end, it's the endgame for all this incremental control.

Is what I stated infringement or not?

No. You still own the gun. No?

Infringement isn't banning.

Is this infringement or not? Would voting requiring a $50 fee and a wait period for checks be infringement?

This fails as a false comparison fallacy.

The right to vote and the right to possess a firearm are both subject to limits and restrictions but not the same limits and restrictions.

For example, one must be a citizen to exercise his right to vote but non-citizens who are lawful permanent resident aliens are afforded the same Second Amendment rights as citizens.

/——/ Both are protected by the Constitution. Keep you hands off our guns.

 

[rightwinger]

Who's talking about NYC?

It's what gun control nuts want in the end, it's the endgame for all this incremental control.

Is what I stated infringement or not?

No. You still own the gun. No?

Infringement isn't banning.

Is this infringement or not? Would voting requiring a $50 fee and a wait period for checks be infringement?

This fails as a false comparison fallacy.

The right to vote and the right to possess a firearm are both subject to limits and restrictions but not the same limits and restrictions.

For example, one must be a citizen to exercise his right to vote but non-citizens who are lawful permanent resident aliens are afforded the same Second Amendment rights as citizens.

/——/ Both are protected by the Constitution. Keep you hands off our guns.

The right to bear arms is not absolute
It never has been

 

[Jarlaxle]

Why does any law abiding citizen object to a background check?

I object to all unenforceable laws.

 

[Jarlaxle]

How many of our gun loving posters buy more than one handgun a month?

How will this legislation impact you?

Doesn't matter.

why not limit alcohol purchased to one 750 ml bottle per month or cigarette purchases to one pack a month ?

Both of those thing kill more people than murder with guns annually

Have you ever bought more than one handgun a month?
Why would you want to?

Do you want to protect someone who buys a dozen handguns at a time and then resells them to criminals?

Already a crime.

 

[Jarlaxle]

3. Allow localities to ban guns in some public areas

What ever happened to local rule? If a locality wants to ban carrying guns in parks and playgrounds, why shouldn’t they?

/—-/ Banning voting in some precincts would be a local rule too.

Sorry pal

But we don’t want you carrying your gun at sporting events, schools and public festivals

If you don’t feel safe without your gun...avoid public areas

Why not? How many would be dead now if not for the man carrying in church?

Because he WANTS and NEEDS bodies. He MUST have massacres to push his agenda.