Why would anyone object to Virginia’s new gun laws?

[Muhammed]

2. Universal background checks

Overwhelmingly supported by most Americans. Why don’t we want to keep gun sales away from criminals?

The 2nd amendment does not have a qualifier which says that only people who have passed some totally arbitrary background check have a right to keep and bear arms.

It's a civil rights thing, asshole.

 

[tyroneweaver]

1. A limit of one handgun purchase per month

How does being able to purchase over 12 handguns a month make you safer? Unlimited handgun purchases opens a path to shill purchasers where a legal buyer can buy guns to sell to criminals

A better idea would be to limit you to one post per month.

 

[Blues Man]

Lets agree...

You should not be allowed to buy gun until you show membership to a 'well regulated militia'....

I presume this Militia will be registered with the Government be it Local, State or Fed... Constitution doesn't say that.

Now if it is well regulated it would have a registry of all the guns in their militia.

So it is up to the Government to up hold the law and make sure the US Citizen is part of Well Regulated Militia and a Well Regulated Militia would register guns... And that is the constitution...

You are making the same mistake that the Trumpians make with regards to a "high crime" and using today's verbiage to determine what was meant in the Constitution.

There was no registry of all the guns held by citizens in the 1700s, there were no serial numbers on Muskets to register them by.

That is not what they are talking about at all.

There also were no semi automatic weapons. There weren't clips that hold 30 or more bullets. There weren't any hand weapons.

What existed during those days was a one ball musket that took a few minutes to load. Once you shot that load, you have to reload.

So if you really want to get literal about things you can't pick and choose which should apply or not.

Well there were no computers when the first amendment was written.

So why don't you write multiple copies of your posts on parchment with quill and ink and deliver them all by horseback?

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[Blues Man]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

Not sensible or even legal.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

In case you so clueless you don't know, infringed means fucked with or limited in any manner whatsoever.

Of course the courts have always upheld restrictions on guns

Types of guns you can have, shooting in public, age restrictions, restrictions on carrying, felons owning guns...

There is no mention in the second of a right to fire a weapon only to own and carry

No one has the right to discharge any firearms but for a few very specific instances

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[Hutch Starskey]

Lets agree...

You should not be allowed to buy gun until you show membership to a 'well regulated militia'....

I presume this Militia will be registered with the Government be it Local, State or Fed... Constitution doesn't say that.

Now if it is well regulated it would have a registry of all the guns in their militia.

So it is up to the Government to up hold the law and make sure the US Citizen is part of Well Regulated Militia and a Well Regulated Militia would register guns... And that is the constitution...

“The right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms...”

“The right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms...”

None of those laws infringe on that right in any way.

Yes, they do..

They don't.
None of them prevent you from purchasing any gun.

Actually they do prevent the purchase of certain kinds of guns

In VA?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Who's talking about NYC?

It's what gun control nuts want in the end, it's the endgame for all this incremental control.

Is what I stated infringement or not?

No. You still own the gun. No?

Infringement isn't banning.

Is this infringement or not? Would voting requiring a $50 fee and a wait period for checks be infringement?

No. It's regulation. You still have the gun.
Infringement in this context means denying the right as Scalia stated in Heller.

Voting requires no such regulation.

The second says nothing about firearms regulations only the regulation of the militia

***** to SCOTUS.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

2. Universal background checks

Overwhelmingly supported by most Americans. Why don’t we want to keep gun sales away from criminals?

Why? Because you're kind doesn't punish criminals and no law stops a criminal from getting a gun, liar.

Why? Because you're kind doesn't punish criminals and no law stops a criminal from getting a gun, liar.

Limiting the supply of guns reduces the number available to criminals.

It's no longer required to keep showing how stupid you are.

You should take your own advice.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

A limit on sales. Govt has no right to know about private sales. Only socialist anti gun people like these kind of laws. Not surprised that you call them sensible.

Government has a right to regulate commerce

You make a practice of selling guns to criminals, government has a right to know

Go after the criminals then. Stay away from law abiding citizens who do private sales.

Go after the criminals then. Stay away from law abiding citizens who do private sales.

It's the private sales with no documentation or checks that make guns available to criminals.

 

[rightwinger]

3. Allow localities to ban guns in some public areas

What ever happened to local rule? If a locality wants to ban carrying guns in parks and playgrounds, why shouldn’t they?

ok a city or town wants to ban your right to criticize their rulings. Why shouldn’t they? It’s local rule. The Constitution doesn’t exist to tell the citizens what they may do, it exists to tell the government at all levels what it may NOT do. Why is this so hard to understand?

Has nothing to do with municipalities being able to set their own rules

It has everything to do with it. We are talking about a Constitutional right. There’s no difference between free speech, freedom of religion, & the right to keep & bear arms on the Constitutional spectrum.

None of Virginia’s laws are unconstitutional

Wrong

Cite the court decision

 

[rightwinger]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

A limit on sales. Govt has no right to know about private sales. Only socialist anti gun people like these kind of laws. Not surprised that you call them sensible.

Government has a right to regulate commerce

You make a practice of selling guns to criminals, government has a right to know

Go after the criminals then. Stay away from law abiding citizens who do private sales.

Go after the criminals then. Stay away from law abiding citizens who do private sales.

It's the private sales with no documentation or checks that make guns available to criminals.

Which is exactly what they are fighting against

Restricting handgun sales to one a month will cut down on straw buyers selling to criminals
So will mandatory background checks on ALL sales

 

[rightwinger]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

Not sensible or even legal.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

In case you so clueless you don't know, infringed means fucked with or limited in any manner whatsoever.

Of course the courts have always upheld restrictions on guns

Types of guns you can have, shooting in public, age restrictions, restrictions on carrying, felons owning guns...

There is no mention in the second of a right to fire a weapon only to own and carry

No one has the right to discharge any firearms but for a few very specific instances

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Good one

You can bear arms....you just can’t fire them

 

[Blues Man]

It's what gun control nuts want in the end, it's the endgame for all this incremental control.

Is what I stated infringement or not?

No. You still own the gun. No?

Infringement isn't banning.

Is this infringement or not? Would voting requiring a $50 fee and a wait period for checks be infringement?

No. It's regulation. You still have the gun.
Infringement in this context means denying the right as Scalia stated in Heller.

Voting requires no such regulation.

The second says nothing about firearms regulations only the regulation of the militia

***** to SCOTUS.

Try reading the Second and then tell me where it says arms are to be regulated.

And all I did was post a fact but I guess you see that as bitching

 

[martybegan]

Not in NYC without a whole lot of infringement.

3-6 months and $500 in fees just to keep a handgun in your own house or apartment.

The people of NYC have spoken
NY is safer for it

The people of Alabama want to ban abortion. Let them do it?

Rights do not rely on popular vote.

They can take it to the courts just like gun control advocates have

Virginia’s laws are constitutional

So was Plessey at one time.

NYC's law are obviously unconstitutional, but you ignore them because they show the true goal of gun grabbing sissies like you.

Good luck

Why don’t you work on repealing NYC gun laws

Get yourself a nice gun rally like they had today

NYC's electorate is too apathetic and too set in their ways. The SC has to weigh in on laws so restrictive that their only goal is to deny RKBA to law abiding citizens.

 

[Blues Man]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

Not sensible or even legal.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

In case you so clueless you don't know, infringed means fucked with or limited in any manner whatsoever.

Of course the courts have always upheld restrictions on guns

Types of guns you can have, shooting in public, age restrictions, restrictions on carrying, felons owning guns...

There is no mention in the second of a right to fire a weapon only to own and carry

No one has the right to discharge any firearms but for a few very specific instances

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Good one

You can bear arms....you just can’t fire them

It happens to be true.

My concealed carry [permit can be revoked if I brandish the weapon I am carrying, hell it can even be revoked if someone sees the imprint of a gun through my shirt and reports it.

No one has a right to fire a weapon but for very specific very well defined instances.

 

[martybegan]

“The right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms...”

“The right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms...”

None of those laws infringe on that right in any way.

NYC makes me wait 3-6 months and pay $500 in fees just to keep a handgun in my apartment. how is that not infringement?

Who's talking about NYC?

It's what gun control nuts want in the end, it's the endgame for all this incremental control.

Is what I stated infringement or not?

The goal is sensible gun control
Should have passed 50 years ago when JFK was assassinated

You want to ban bolt action rifles?

Lol, try getting that passed and see how well gun owners (all of them, not just NRA types) react.

 

[Blues Man]

“The right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms...”

“The right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms...”

None of those laws infringe on that right in any way.

Yes, they do..

They don't.
None of them prevent you from purchasing any gun.

Actually they do prevent the purchase of certain kinds of guns

In VA?

Yup

VA Gov’s 'assault weapons' proposal would ban new AR-15s; force registration or surrender of all existing

 

[martybegan]

NYC makes me wait 3-6 months and pay $500 in fees just to keep a handgun in my apartment. how is that not infringement?

Who's talking about NYC?

It's what gun control nuts want in the end, it's the endgame for all this incremental control.

Is what I stated infringement or not?

No. You still own the gun. No?

Infringement isn't banning.

Is this infringement or not? Would voting requiring a $50 fee and a wait period for checks be infringement?

This fails as a false comparison fallacy.

The right to vote and the right to possess a firearm are both subject to limits and restrictions but not the same limits and restrictions.

For example, one must be a citizen to exercise his right to vote but non-citizens who are lawful permanent resident aliens are afforded the same Second Amendment rights as citizens.

No, it shows how hypocritical gun control SJW sit while peeing pansy types like you are.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

Shitting on human rights is so glorious. Why am I not surprised you love this usurpation?

.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

No. You still own the gun. No?

Infringement isn't banning.

Is this infringement or not? Would voting requiring a $50 fee and a wait period for checks be infringement?

No. It's regulation. You still have the gun.
Infringement in this context means denying the right as Scalia stated in Heller.

Voting requires no such regulation.

The second says nothing about firearms regulations only the regulation of the militia

***** to SCOTUS.

Try reading the Second and then tell me where it says arms are to be regulated.

And all I did was post a fact but I guess you see that as bitching

Try reading Scalia's opinion on Heller. That is fact as well.

 

[martybegan]

It's what gun control nuts want in the end, it's the endgame for all this incremental control.

Is what I stated infringement or not?

No. You still own the gun. No?

Infringement isn't banning.

Is this infringement or not? Would voting requiring a $50 fee and a wait period for checks be infringement?

This fails as a false comparison fallacy.

The right to vote and the right to possess a firearm are both subject to limits and restrictions but not the same limits and restrictions.

For example, one must be a citizen to exercise his right to vote but non-citizens who are lawful permanent resident aliens are afforded the same Second Amendment rights as citizens.

/——/ Both are protected by the Constitution. Keep you hands off our guns.

The right to bear arms is not absolute
It never has been

Sorry, but 3-6 months and $500 for a ******* revolver is beyond the whole absolute argument.