Why would anyone object to Virginia’s new gun laws?

[Ken Mac]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

Fake News. Today is Lobby Day in Virginia and there is always a pro gun lobby day in Richmond on the third monday of January (Lobby Day).

VCDL Lobby Day 2020 FAQ's

"The third Monday in January is VCDL Lobby Day every year. That date is picked because it is a federal holiday, which allows more gun owners to be able to come to Richmond to lobby their legislators in person and in very large numbers. We also have our annual Lobby Day rally at 11 am that day."

I went to the rally and didn't see one "neo-nazi". Hmmmm. Maybe there weren't enough of them to actually run into one and it's just an inflammatory article? Yep - that is definitely it.


Obviously USA Today either doesn't know shit or they don't care to find out about anything that doesn't support their agenda.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

Meh A little Fascism never hurt anyone.

I think Blackface Governor Al Jolson and his backers got the message loud and clear

 

[CrusaderFrank]

3. Allow localities to ban guns in some public areas

What ever happened to local rule? If a locality wants to ban carrying guns in parks and playgrounds, why shouldn’t they?

Where are the common sense voting laws? You know, voter ID, no absentee ballots, purple finger to make sure Putin can't hack our democracy

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

Absolutely there is nothing in those laws that any rational person should find objectionable. It is about the public safety. Given comments on this board and others by right-wingers there are people that should not be anywhere near dangerous objects much less guns.

/——/ Those who give up liberty for the false sense of security deserve neither. BF

Liberty to me is going to church and not fearing I will be shot in the head during a hymnal.

American psychopathic Progressives would have no problem rounding up church goers just as readily as their Chinese Progressive counterparts

 

[rightwinger]

Our people do keep and bear arms

Not in NYC without a whole lot of infringement.

3-6 months and $500 in fees just to keep a handgun in your own house or apartment.

The people of NYC have spoken
NY is safer for it

The people of Alabama want to ban abortion. Let them do it?

Rights do not rely on popular vote.

They can take it to the courts just like gun control advocates have

Virginia’s laws are constitutional

So was Plessey at one time.

NYC's law are obviously unconstitutional, but you ignore them because they show the true goal of gun grabbing sissies like you.

Good luck

Why don’t you work on repealing NYC gun laws
Get yourself a nice gun rally like they had today

 

[Dana7360]

Lets agree...

You should not be allowed to buy gun until you show membership to a 'well regulated militia'....

I presume this Militia will be registered with the Government be it Local, State or Fed... Constitution doesn't say that.

Now if it is well regulated it would have a registry of all the guns in their militia.

So it is up to the Government to up hold the law and make sure the US Citizen is part of Well Regulated Militia and a Well Regulated Militia would register guns... And that is the constitution...

You are making the same mistake that the Trumpians make with regards to a "high crime" and using today's verbiage to determine what was meant in the Constitution.

There was no registry of all the guns held by citizens in the 1700s, there were no serial numbers on Muskets to register them by.

That is not what they are talking about at all.

There also were no semi automatic weapons. There weren't clips that hold 30 or more bullets. There weren't any hand weapons.

What existed during those days was a one ball musket that took a few minutes to load. Once you shot that load, you have to reload.

So if you really want to get literal about things you can't pick and choose which should apply or not.

 

[rightwinger]

Lets agree...

You should not be allowed to buy gun until you show membership to a 'well regulated militia'....

I presume this Militia will be registered with the Government be it Local, State or Fed... Constitution doesn't say that.

Now if it is well regulated it would have a registry of all the guns in their militia.

So it is up to the Government to up hold the law and make sure the US Citizen is part of Well Regulated Militia and a Well Regulated Militia would register guns... And that is the constitution...

“The right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms...”

“The right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms...”

None of those laws infringe on that right in any way.

NYC makes me wait 3-6 months and pay $500 in fees just to keep a handgun in my apartment. how is that not infringement?

Who's talking about NYC?

It's what gun control nuts want in the end, it's the endgame for all this incremental control.

Is what I stated infringement or not?

The goal is sensible gun control
Should have passed 50 years ago when JFK was assassinated

 

[rightwinger]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

Red flag is sensible? No due process?

It is a temporary fix that will save lives
Temporary removal while they establish your condition

Better safe than sorry

 

[rightwinger]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

A limit on sales. Govt has no right to know about private sales. Only socialist anti gun people like these kind of laws. Not surprised that you call them sensible.

Government has a right to regulate commerce

You make a practice of selling guns to criminals, government has a right to know

 

[Harpy Eagle]

There also were no semi automatic weapons. There weren't clips that hold 30 or more bullets. There weren't any hand weapons.

What existed during those days was a one ball musket that took a few minutes to load. Once you shot that load, you have to reload.

So if you really want to get literal about things you can't pick and choose which should apply or not.

This is the same excuse people whom want to limit free speech use saying there was no internet and no Facebook in their time of the writing of the Constitution thus they should not apply.

I say bullshit to both of you

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

A limit on sales. Govt has no right to know about private sales. Only socialist anti gun people like these kind of laws. Not surprised that you call them sensible.

Government has a right to regulate commerce

You make a practice of selling guns to criminals, government has a right to know

Go after the criminals then. Stay away from law abiding citizens who do private sales.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

Red flag is sensible? No due process?

It is a temporary fix that will save lives
Temporary removal while they establish your condition

Better safe than sorry

It is never right to err of the side of less liberty, we should always err on the side of freedom.

 

[BlindBoo]

No. It's regulation. You still have the gun.
Infringement in this context means denying the right as Scalia stated in Heller.

Voting requires no such regulation.

2 options would you like to be altered or abolished?

2 options would you like to be altered or abolished?

?

Pick wisely

Pick what?
I have no idea of WTF that means. Hence the question mark.

Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.


wake up before it’s to late

" Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

None of those laws infringe on that right in any way.

NYC makes me wait 3-6 months and pay $500 in fees just to keep a handgun in my apartment. how is that not infringement?

Who's talking about NYC?

It's what gun control nuts want in the end, it's the endgame for all this incremental control.

Is what I stated infringement or not?

No. You still own the gun. No?

Infringement isn't banning.

Is this infringement or not? Would voting requiring a $50 fee and a wait period for checks be infringement?

This fails as a false comparison fallacy.

The right to vote and the right to possess a firearm are both subject to limits and restrictions but not the same limits and restrictions.

For example, one must be a citizen to exercise his right to vote but non-citizens who are lawful permanent resident aliens are afforded the same Second Amendment rights as citizens.

 

[Jitss617]

2 options would you like to be altered or abolished?

2 options would you like to be altered or abolished?

?

Pick wisely

Pick what?
I have no idea of WTF that means. Hence the question mark.

Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.


wake up before it’s to late

" Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Your saying trump wants absolute power? Lol

 

[Harpy Eagle]

?

Pick wisely

Pick what?
I have no idea of WTF that means. Hence the question mark.

Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.


wake up before it’s to late

" Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Your saying trump wants absolute power? Lol

He does admire Un, Xi and Putin...all who have absolute power.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

3. Allow localities to ban guns in some public areas

What ever happened to local rule? If a locality wants to ban carrying guns in parks and playgrounds, why shouldn’t they?

Local rule? As in states’ rights? Many locales would like to ban abortions. Are you for local rule or do just hate lawful citizens having guns and using the local rule as an angle?

More rightwing sophistry, another false comparison fallacy.

The states and local jurisdictions may not ban abortion because the Supreme Court has ruled that to do so violates the Constitution.

That’s not the case with states and local jurisdictions prohibiting the possession of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings – where the Supreme Court has ruled that such prohibitions do not violate the Constitution.

 

[Jitss617]

Pick wisely

Pick what?
I have no idea of WTF that means. Hence the question mark.

Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.


wake up before it’s to late

" Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Your saying trump wants absolute power? Lol

He does admire Un, Xi and Putin...all who have absolute power.

Because he talks to other world leaders lol And we’re not at war lol low iq

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

because they violate the Constitution.

That should be enough even for you.

Lets agree...

You should not be allowed to buy gun until you show membership to a 'well regulated militia'....

I presume this Militia will be registered with the Government be it Local, State or Fed... Constitution doesn't say that.

Now if it is well regulated it would have a registry of all the guns in their militia.

So it is up to the Government to up hold the law and make sure the US Citizen is part of Well Regulated Militia and a Well Regulated Militia would register guns... And that is the constitution...

“The right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms...”

“The right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms...”

None of those laws infringe on that right in any way.

NYC makes me wait 3-6 months and pay $500 in fees just to keep a handgun in my apartment. how is that not infringement?

Somebody in the NYC government probably read some of your posts...

It's entirely reasonable to prevent mentally incompetent people from owning guns!

I guess you have no problem with the government bureaucrats deciding if you are mentally healthy or not.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Pick what?
I have no idea of WTF that means. Hence the question mark.

Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.


wake up before it’s to late

" Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Your saying trump wants absolute power? Lol

He does admire Un, Xi and Putin...all who have absolute power.

Because he talks to other world leaders lol And we’re not at war lol low iq

You should learn to read, I did not say talk I said admire.

Once again your lack of education holds you back from a spot at the adult table