Why would anyone object to Virginia’s new gun laws?

[Harpy Eagle]

View attachment 301511 Imagine trying to arrest this guy lol

He looks like he is far more danger to himself than anyone else.

 

[Blues Man]

Absolutely there is nothing in those laws that any rational person should find objectionable. It is about the public safety. Given comments on this board and others by right-wingers there are people that should not be anywhere near dangerous objects much less guns.

/——/ Those who give up liberty for the false sense of security deserve neither. BF

Allowing assholes to run around in public armed is asking to get people killed

/—-/ Allowing drunks to drive is asking to get people killed. So take your car to the junk yard and have it crushed.

In order to drive my car, I have to regularly prove that I am a capable driver without too many speeding tickets or accidents, my car has to be annually registered and inspected and it has to carry insurance at all times.

That's so I won't accidentally kill others on the road. The gun laws proposed by Virginia are in the same vein. Simply trying to keep some semblance of order on those who own guns so others aren't hurt by them.

OK. so every time someone pulls out their weapons and shoots someone, aren't they already responsible under the law?

These people don't seem to understand that while people have the right to own and carry firearms they have no protected right to shoot those firearms

 

[Jitss617]

View attachment 301511 Imagine trying to arrest this guy lol

He looks like he is far more danger to himself than anyone else.

Why is that

 

[LeftofLeft]

3. Allow localities to ban guns in some public areas

What ever happened to local rule? If a locality wants to ban carrying guns in parks and playgrounds, why shouldn’t they?

Local rule? As in states’ rights? Many locales would like to ban abortions. Are you for local rule or do just hate lawful citizens having guns and using the local rule as an angle?

 

[Blues Man]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

You would have to believe people in red states want common sense gun laws too. This is great. It’s a start

The people in Virginia voted for a gun control slate.

Outsiders are storming the Capital

And when the people vote again and overturn all this shit then yo'll agree right?

VA is going to swing Red so fast that the Dems ears will be ringing for a long time

 

[Blues Man]

because they violate the Constitution.

That should be enough even for you.

Lets agree...

You should not be allowed to buy gun until you show membership to a 'well regulated militia'....

I presume this Militia will be registered with the Government be it Local, State or Fed... Constitution doesn't say that.

Now if it is well regulated it would have a registry of all the guns in their militia.

So it is up to the Government to up hold the law and make sure the US Citizen is part of Well Regulated Militia and a Well Regulated Militia would register guns... And that is the constitution...

“The right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms...”

“The right of THE PEOPLE to keep and bear arms...”

None of those laws infringe on that right in any way.

Yes, they do..

They don't.
None of them prevent you from purchasing any gun.

Actually they do prevent the purchase of certain kinds of guns

 

[Blues Man]

NYC makes me wait 3-6 months and pay $500 in fees just to keep a handgun in my apartment. how is that not infringement?

Who's talking about NYC?

It's what gun control nuts want in the end, it's the endgame for all this incremental control.

Is what I stated infringement or not?

No. You still own the gun. No?

Infringement isn't banning.

Is this infringement or not? Would voting requiring a $50 fee and a wait period for checks be infringement?

No. It's regulation. You still have the gun.
Infringement in this context means denying the right as Scalia stated in Heller.

Voting requires no such regulation.

The second says nothing about firearms regulations only the regulation of the militia

 

[LeftofLeft]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

Absolutely there is nothing in those laws that any rational person should find objectionable. It is about the public safety. Given comments on this board and others by right-wingers there are people that should not be anywhere near dangerous objects much less guns.

/——/ Those who give up liberty for the false sense of security deserve neither. BF

Liberty to me is going to church and not fearing I will be shot in the head during a hymnal.

Or, who is going to stop a shooter in a gun-free zone?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

So this ends the debate on gun control? this fixes everything now? or is this just another small step in/toward thwarting the constitution?

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

Nothing in that addresses the problem of liberal locales where the real problem is...liberals have no respect for guns, the gun free zones are now their hunting grounds.

 

[Dana7360]

Keeping guns out of the hands of lunatics will.

You mean a total ban and confiscation

thats not acceptable

and would not succeed anyway since criminals do not obey the law

Gun confiscation is a red herring argument. It is about keeping guns out of the hands of lunatics. Virginia’s laws are more than sensible and reasonable. If SCOTUS rules otherwise so be it.

It depends on who gets to decide who is a lunatic. Can you spot a lunatic?

A judge does that. It's called due process.

So every person wishing to buy a gun, must go before a judge and prove they aren’t a lunatic. Is that how you envision it?

Not at all.

The red flag laws, which aren't one of the three that passed recently in Virginia, clearly state that someone who is a threat to themselves and others can have their weapons confiscated. First the government has to go through the courts to do it. They have to present evidence and witnesses to prove their claims.

It's called due process.

The red flag laws have nothing to do with buying a weapon. So you are comparing apples with oranges and not doing it very well.

If a person can't pass a background check there has already been legal and due process that caused them to not pass. Such as a felony record or history of mental instability etc.

 

[LeftofLeft]

3. Allow localities to ban guns in some public areas

What ever happened to local rule? If a locality wants to ban carrying guns in parks and playgrounds, why shouldn’t they?

/—-/ Banning voting in some precincts would be a local rule too.

Sorry pal

But we don’t want you carrying your gun at sporting events, schools and public festivals

If you don’t feel safe without your gun...avoid public areas

I would rather lawful gun owners carry guns at sporting events and other gun-free zones as opposed to thug shooters who acquire their guns illegally and intend on shooting innocents. If a shooter thinks he/she may be shot dead and not carry out their mission, then they may think twice. Gun-Free Zones, Legislation, and Gun Protests are not working.

 

[miketx]

Looks like tens of thousands in VA. the democrats appear to be shaking in their boots.

 

[miketx]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

You would have to believe people in red states want common sense gun laws too. This is great. It’s a start

Never can explain what those common sense laws are or how they will stop crime.

Virginia just did. Go look up the justifications for these laws

Bullshit. You vermin alway play the hit and run game. Today the filthy democrats are cowering fear in VA, and they dare not start anything.

 

[miketx]

2. Universal background checks

Overwhelmingly supported by most Americans. Why don’t we want to keep gun sales away from criminals?

Why? Because you're kind doesn't punish criminals and no law stops a criminal from getting a gun, liar.

Why? Because you're kind doesn't punish criminals and no law stops a criminal from getting a gun, liar.

Limiting the supply of guns reduces the number available to criminals.

It's no longer required to keep showing how stupid you are.

 

[miketx]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

I think you might live in the wrong country, you can’t infringe on my rights.. sorry buddy

States rights. Don’t move to New York City. You won’t like the gun laws there. And it’s all very constitutional

No gun laws are constitutional. You are a liar.

 

[Shawnee_b]

Not at all.

The red flag laws, which aren't one of the three that passed recently in Virginia, clearly state that someone who is a threat to themselves and others can have their weapons confiscated. First the government has to go through the courts to do it. They have to present evidence and witnesses to prove their claims.

It's called due process.

The red flag laws have nothing to do with buying a weapon. So you are comparing apples with oranges and not doing it very well.

If a person can't pass a background check there has already been legal and due process that caused them to not pass. Such as a felony record or history of mental instability etc.

There is no due process with the 11 states have red flag laws, that's the problem. However one CO judge did shut down one freak tried to use it

 

[hadit]

3. Allow localities to ban guns in some public areas

What ever happened to local rule? If a locality wants to ban carrying guns in parks and playgrounds, why shouldn’t they?

Are you willing to support local rule if a locality wants to allow concealed carry in bars, schools and restaurants? Or does your support for local authority only work when it leans the way you support?

 

[Jitss617]

 

[Dana7360]

Since the Second Amendment was written, when firearms were one-shot muskets and the writers of the Constitution suspected that the British would be back, which they were in 1812, we now actually have a formal militia. It is known as the National Guard. I am hoping that no one is attacked in Richmond this afternoon, and that none of the thugs expected to assemble confronts a member of the Virginia Police or the Virginia Guard.

These thugs are costing us millions, MILLIONS, with their gangsterism. My thoughts are with the members of Virginia law enforcement at this time, who put their lives on the line. And who, at least, must be paid as they should be. We already know that people from out of state are heading to the Commonwealth to incite violence. None of those arrested by the FBI were from the Commonwealth, BTW, and one is even an undocumented alien.

The second clearly referenced well regulated militias. The gun lobby has worked hard to change its meaning. Bearing arms is a military term.

Law abiding American citizens are citizen soldiers dating back to the Minuteman

That may have been the situation hundreds of years ago but it certainly isn't now.

Our National Guard are our citizen soldiers. I was a member of the Air National Guard.

I have never seen anyone one who wasn't in the National Guard be called up by the state's governor or our president to address a local problem, emergency or disaster. Nor have I ever seen anyone who wasn't a member of the National Guard, the Reserves or the rest of our military sent off to a war in foreign nations.

There is no war here in America. No one is attacking us and if there was, The National Guard and the rest of our military would be right there. Not any of your BS weapons nuts. They would be hiding in fear under their beds quivering in terror. If you ever came out from under your beds all you people would do is get in the way of the trained professionals from properly being able to do their jobs.

I didn't see anyone who wasn't in the National Guard air lifting anyone out of the blast zone when I was helping to save lives when Mt. St. Helens blew up. It was the National Guard that saved lives and helped clean up the mess the eruptions caused. Where were your weapon nuts when all the crime and looting was happening after Katrina? It was so bad that the bush boy had to start confiscating weapons. None of the weapons nuts stepped up. It was the police and National Guard who stepped up and did their jobs.

Your BS about citizen soldiers is just that BS. The closest you people ever would get to actually being a soldier is dressing up in costumes and playing soldier in the forest with your friends. None of you could ever even pass basic training much less actually go and volunteer to be a member of the National Guard or any military. Those of us who were actually in the National Guard or any other US military laugh at you fools in your ridiculous costumes with your penis extender weapons.

The fact that you use the word "gun" instead of the proper word, weapon, shows you have never been in any military or had any formal training in weapons or any sort of combat.

If you had been a member of the military you would remember your TI or DI shouting at you that what you're holding isn't a gun. Then grab his crotch and say, this is a gun. What you're holding is a weapon. And if you ever used the word gun around that TI or DI he would scream that sentence at you while he was grabbing his crotch.