Why would anyone object to Virginia’s new gun laws?

[progressive hunter]

Since the Second Amendment was written, when firearms were one-shot muskets and the writers of the Constitution suspected that the British would be back, which they were in 1812, we now actually have a formal militia. It is known as the National Guard. I am hoping that no one is attacked in Richmond this afternoon, and that none of the thugs expected to assemble confronts a member of the Virginia Police or the Virginia Guard.

These thugs are costing us millions, MILLIONS, with their gangsterism. My thoughts are with the members of Virginia law enforcement at this time, who put their lives on the line. And who, at least, must be paid as they should be. We already know that people from out of state are heading to the Commonwealth to incite violence. None of those arrested by the FBI were from the Commonwealth, BTW, and one is even an undocumented alien.

The second clearly referenced well regulated militias. The gun lobby has worked hard to change its meaning. Bearing arms is a military term.

Law abiding American citizens are citizen soldiers dating back to the Minuteman

The 2nd is clear about well regulated.

clear how??? just that we need one,,it would be kinda dumb to not have the people armed to have that militia,,,

or are you saying the government should provide all arms???

The national guard is our well regulated militia.

they are enlisted men not a militia,,,

 

[JustAGuy1]

Seriously busybee01 - your ignorance is both astounding and horrifying:

Then why do the rich and powerful engage in lobbying?

I just explained that in the post you are responding to. To educate legislators on the will of the people.

That is why the rich and powerful are getting richer and more powerful. They have bought off the Republican Party.

Except that more wealth transferred to the wealthy under the Dumbocrats (Obama admitted as much) while wages are going up under President Trump and the Republicans.

You seriously need to educate yourself.

Obama admits 95% of income gains gone to top 1%

You are the one who needs to educate yourself. Your ignorance is astonishing or is it complicity? Lobbyists are not educating legislators, they are buying off legislators. They don't care about the will of the people. They are expressing the will of their bosses.

The fact is that corporations have bought off the Republican Party. The Trump Administration has hired numerous lobbyists. The result is that corporations have gained unprecedented power. Thanks to these lobbyists, corporations are being allowed to pollute our air, water and destroy wildlife habitats. We are moving towards a government depicted in the 1972 movie Rollerball. A government dominated and run by corporations.

One case in point. Recently Disney bought the entire movie and tv library of Twentieth Century Fox. Many independent theaters rely on Fox movies to pay the bills and also provide jobs. Disney has notified these people that Fox movies will no longer be available. Some estimates are that this will cut the revenues of independent theater owners by 25%. Disney is already a multi-billion dollar corporation who will get richer while small business owners will be poorer. They don't have money to pay for lobbyists. We need new anti-trust laws and the break up of these huge and powerful corporations.

Dumbass, they ALL hire "Lobbyists".

"Obama administration packed with lobbyists he vowed not to hire"

"
President Obama has hired more than 100 lobbyists in his administration, a new academic study reports. This doesn't match Obama's campaign promise to exclude lobbyists, or his pretenses of having kept that promise.


"President Obama's public rhetoric on contact with lobbyists does not always accord with his private actions," lobbying scholar Conor McGrath writes in the latest issue of the Journal of Public Affairs.

If you don't understand why that's a laughable understatement, you should read McGrath's paper - or at least study Table 1 and Table 2, which list the lobbyists who entered the Obama administration and the administration officials who have cashed out to K Street."

"Obama said in his 2010 State of the Union "we have excluded lobbyists from policymaking jobs." David Axelrod said in 2011 that Obama "has ended the revolving door between industry and government.... He doesn't, uh, hire lobbyists."

Obama administration packed with lobbyists he vowed not to hire

 

[Nostra]

Law abiding American citizens are citizen soldiers dating back to the Minuteman

The 2nd is clear about well regulated.

The Founding Fathers Explain The Second Amendment

the man who authored the 2nd Amendment explained what it meant

“I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.” – George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

And they specified well regulated.

Having no guns is your idea of well regulated

Laws more like Switzerland would probably be good.

The Swiss are heavily armed.

The Swiss are heavily armed. But mass shootings are rare here

 

[Nostra]

Since the Second Amendment was written, when firearms were one-shot muskets and the writers of the Constitution suspected that the British would be back, which they were in 1812, we now actually have a formal militia. It is known as the National Guard. I am hoping that no one is attacked in Richmond this afternoon, and that none of the thugs expected to assemble confronts a member of the Virginia Police or the Virginia Guard.

These thugs are costing us millions, MILLIONS, with their gangsterism. My thoughts are with the members of Virginia law enforcement at this time, who put their lives on the line. And who, at least, must be paid as they should be. We already know that people from out of state are heading to the Commonwealth to incite violence. None of those arrested by the FBI were from the Commonwealth, BTW, and one is even an undocumented alien.

The second clearly referenced well regulated militias. The gun lobby has worked hard to change its meaning. Bearing arms is a military term.

Law abiding American citizens are citizen soldiers dating back to the Minuteman

The 2nd is clear about well regulated.

clear how??? just that we need one,,it would be kinda dumb to not have the people armed to have that militia,,,

or are you saying the government should provide all arms???

The national guard is our well regulated militia.

Nope.

 

[OldLady]

 

[busybee01]

That is not what the 2nd amendment says. You only quoted a part of it. Why don’t don’t you try something novel and actually read it.

I have. Literally thousands of times. And it could not be more clear: “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”.

It’s an inalienable right and it belongs to the people (not some imagined militia).

It also talks about a well-regulated militia. The amendment does allow for regulation. Trump ignores Congress' power of the purse which is also in the Constitution. You have no trouble with ignoring that. Yet you go bonkers and talk about the Constitution when it is something you like.

 

[whitehall]

If you legally own a certain weapon that the democrat majority declared illegal, you could become a felon while you are sitting on the couch in your living room. Who would object to that?

 

[Nostra]

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**** the 19th Amendment.

 

[Blues Man]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

There is nothing wrong with those new weapons laws.

What's wrong is the far right radical extremists. In their mind any weapon safety laws are taking their weapons from them. They're of course lying but if they couldn't lie they wouldn't have anything to say.

They want crazy people and felons to have weapons.

They also, at least the male far right radical extremists, have very small penises and are over compensating for it. Or they feel they have no control of their lives. Throw in a large. helping of paranoia.

They are pathetic people because their actions get a lot of innocent people murdered.

Nothing I have ever done no gun I have ever brought has caused anyone to be murdered

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[progressive hunter]

That is not what the 2nd amendment says. You only quoted a part of it. Why don’t don’t you try something novel and actually read it.

I have. Literally thousands of times. And it could not be more clear: “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”.

It’s an inalienable right and it belongs to the people (not some imagined militia).

It also talks about a well-regulated militia. The amendment does allow for regulation. Trump ignores Congress' power of the purse which is also in the Constitution. You have no trouble with ignoring that. Yet you go bonkers and talk about the Constitution when it is something you like.

no it doesnt provide for regulation or you would have provided proof it does,,,

 

[Blues Man]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

Absolutely there is nothing in those laws that any rational person should find objectionable. It is about the public safety. Given comments on this board and others by right-wingers there are people that should not be anywhere near dangerous objects much less guns.

/——/ Those who give up liberty for the false sense of security deserve neither. BF

Allowing assholes to run around in public armed is asking to get people killed

/—-/ Allowing drunks to drive is asking to get people killed. So take your car to the junk yard and have it crushed.

In order to drive my car, I have to regularly prove that I am a capable driver without too many speeding tickets or accidents, my car has to be annually registered and inspected and it has to carry insurance at all times.

That's so I won't accidentally kill others on the road. The gun laws proposed by Virginia are in the same vein. Simply trying to keep some semblance of order on those who own guns so others aren't hurt by them.

You have no constitutional right to drive a car on public roads



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[rightwinger]

3. Allow localities to ban guns in some public areas

What ever happened to local rule? If a locality wants to ban carrying guns in parks and playgrounds, why shouldn’t they?

/—-/ Banning voting in some precincts would be a local rule too.

Sorry pal

But we don’t want you carrying your gun at sporting events, schools and public festivals

If you don’t feel safe without your gun...avoid public areas

do you think a real delusional killer will heed your advice?...

Probably not
But I don’t want the father who just saw his kid kicked out of a game to go after an umpire with a gun

 

[Blues Man]

You are translating it incorrectly and arming criminals with weak laws.

Dumb ass...murder is already illegal (and is punishable by capital punishment).

Indisputable proof that the left doesn’t get that a criminal is a criminal because they don’t follow the law. God you people are so damn dumb it actually hurts.

And you prefer well armed criminals. I prefer fewer people being shot.

Then stop letting violent criminals out of prison so they can get guns. Laws stop no one.

We have the highest incarceration rate in the world.

Not if you don't count all of the innocent people that are in jail awaiting trial

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[rightwinger]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

There is nothing wrong with those new weapons laws.

What's wrong is the far right radical extremists. In their mind any weapon safety laws are taking their weapons from them. They're of course lying but if they couldn't lie they wouldn't have anything to say.

They want crazy people and felons to have weapons.

They also, at least the male far right radical extremists, have very small penises and are over compensating for it. Or they feel they have no control of their lives. Throw in a large. helping of paranoia.

They are pathetic people because their actions get a lot of innocent people murdered.

Nothing I have ever done no gun I have ever brought has caused anyone to be murdered

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And none of the Virginia laws will prevent you from owning a gun

 

[miketx]

The second clearly referenced well regulated militias. The gun lobby has worked hard to change its meaning. Bearing arms is a military term.

Law abiding American citizens are citizen soldiers dating back to the Minuteman

The 2nd is clear about well regulated.

clear how??? just that we need one,,it would be kinda dumb to not have the people armed to have that militia,,,

or are you saying the government should provide all arms???

The national guard is our well regulated militia.

they are enlisted men not a militia,,,

Notice how everyone of these traitors has to lie?

 

[Blues Man]

None of these laws would have stopped the Virginia Beach shooting

A gun ban would, but we could never pass that

So we have to nibble at the edges and pass piecemeal legislation

Thanks for finally admitting that gun bans are the end goal

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[Blues Man]

1. A limit of one handgun purchase per month

How does being able to purchase over 12 handguns a month make you safer? Unlimited handgun purchases opens a path to shill purchasers where a legal buyer can buy guns to sell to criminals

How does a limit on the number of guns a collector can buy decrease the small criminal element from committing crimes?

What it does is prevent a legal buyer from conducting straw purchases of handguns and selling them to criminals for profit

Straw purchases are already illegal so what's stopping them now?

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[miketx]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

There is nothing wrong with those new weapons laws.

What's wrong is the far right radical extremists. In their mind any weapon safety laws are taking their weapons from them. They're of course lying but if they couldn't lie they wouldn't have anything to say.

They want crazy people and felons to have weapons.

They also, at least the male far right radical extremists, have very small penises and are over compensating for it. Or they feel they have no control of their lives. Throw in a large. helping of paranoia.

They are pathetic people because their actions get a lot of innocent people murdered.

Nothing I have ever done no gun I have ever brought has caused anyone to be murdered

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And none of the Virginia laws will prevent you from owning a gun

And none of the Virginia laws will prevent you from getting a gun and committing mass murder.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

because they violate the Constitution.

That should be enough even for you.

Wrong.

None of the proposed measures have been invalidated by the Supreme Court.

 

[miketx]

None of these laws would have stopped the Virginia Beach shooting

A gun ban would, but we could never pass that

So we have to nibble at the edges and pass piecemeal legislation

Guns are banned in many places throughout the world and do not stop shootings. Next lie.