Why would anyone object to Virginia’s new gun laws?

[rightwinger]

Do you want someone capable to take him out before he shoots you?

Should that church a week ago have been a gun free zone, and allowed even more people to be killed?

Do you really want to live in a society where you can’t even pray in a house of worship without the fear that someone will put a bullet in you?

We already do.

All a person has to do is a simple search on church shooting and a list of them will pop up.

That is what the weapons nuts have done to America. Make it not safe to even go to a place of worship or into a school or a mall or movie theater without being murdered by a crazy person with a weapon.

Let us know your winning strategy for preventing 'crazy people' from obtaining firearms.

WITHOUT infringing on the rights on the non-crazies.

Red flag laws

Red flag laws are for removing firearms from people that MAY be a risk to themselves, or others.

They do little to prevent people from obtaining them.

Red flags can also add someone to a no sell list

Do you object to keeping crazy people from buying guns?

 

[busybee01]

Seriously busybee01 - your ignorance is both astounding and horrifying:

Then why do the rich and powerful engage in lobbying?

I just explained that in the post you are responding to. To educate legislators on the will of the people.

That is why the rich and powerful are getting richer and more powerful. They have bought off the Republican Party.

Except that more wealth transferred to the wealthy under the Dumbocrats (Obama admitted as much) while wages are going up under President Trump and the Republicans.

You seriously need to educate yourself.

Obama admits 95% of income gains gone to top 1%

You are the one who needs to educate yourself. Your ignorance is astonishing or is it complicity? Lobbyists are not educating legislators, they are buying off legislators. They don't care about the will of the people. They are expressing the will of their bosses.

The fact is that corporations have bought off the Republican Party. The Trump Administration has hired numerous lobbyists. The result is that corporations have gained unprecedented power. Thanks to these lobbyists, corporations are being allowed to pollute our air, water and destroy wildlife habitats. We are moving towards a government depicted in the 1972 movie Rollerball. A government dominated and run by corporations.

One case in point. Recently Disney bought the entire movie and tv library of Twentieth Century Fox. Many independent theaters rely on Fox movies to pay the bills and also provide jobs. Disney has notified these people that Fox movies will no longer be available. Some estimates are that this will cut the revenues of independent theater owners by 25%. Disney is already a multi-billion dollar corporation who will get richer while small business owners will be poorer. They don't have money to pay for lobbyists. We need new anti-trust laws and the break up of these huge and powerful corporations.

 

[rightwinger]

1. A limit of one handgun purchase per month

How does being able to purchase over 12 handguns a month make you safer? Unlimited handgun purchases opens a path to shill purchasers where a legal buyer can buy guns to sell to criminals

It is a Right to own guns, and they are a legal product.........this is essentially saying you can only buy one Newpaper a month or go to only one website a month........you moron,

Buying more than 12 guns a year violates your rights? That does not pass the laugh test. You are the moron.

Makes it easier to sell to criminals

 

[Mac-7]

Since the Second Amendment was written, when firearms were one-shot muskets and the writers of the Constitution suspected that the British would be back, which they were in 1812, we now actually have a formal militia. It is known as the National Guard. I am hoping that no one is attacked in Richmond this afternoon, and that none of the thugs expected to assemble confronts a member of the Virginia Police or the Virginia Guard.

These thugs are costing us millions, MILLIONS, with their gangsterism. My thoughts are with the members of Virginia law enforcement at this time, who put their lives on the line. And who, at least, must be paid as they should be. We already know that people from out of state are heading to the Commonwealth to incite violence. None of those arrested by the FBI were from the Commonwealth, BTW, and one is even an undocumented alien.

The second clearly referenced well regulated militias. The gun lobby has worked hard to change its meaning. Bearing arms is a military term.

Law abiding American citizens are citizen soldiers dating back to the Minuteman

The 2nd is clear about well regulated.

The man who wrote the 2nd says it means the whole people
“I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.” – George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

 

[Mac-7]

Since the Second Amendment was written, when firearms were one-shot muskets and the writers of the Constitution suspected that the British would be back, which they were in 1812, we now actually have a formal militia. It is known as the National Guard. I am hoping that no one is attacked in Richmond this afternoon, and that none of the thugs expected to assemble confronts a member of the Virginia Police or the Virginia Guard.

These thugs are costing us millions, MILLIONS, with their gangsterism. My thoughts are with the members of Virginia law enforcement at this time, who put their lives on the line. And who, at least, must be paid as they should be. We already know that people from out of state are heading to the Commonwealth to incite violence. None of those arrested by the FBI were from the Commonwealth, BTW, and one is even an undocumented alien.

The second clearly referenced well regulated militias. The gun lobby has worked hard to change its meaning. Bearing arms is a military term.

Law abiding American citizens are citizen soldiers dating back to the Minuteman

The 2nd is clear about well regulated.

The Founding Fathers Explain The Second Amendment

the man who authored the 2nd Amendment explained what it meant

“I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.” – George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

And they specified well regulated.

Having no guns is your idea of well regulated

 

[Nostra]

1. A limit of one handgun purchase per month

How does being able to purchase over 12 handguns a month make you safer? Unlimited handgun purchases opens a path to shill purchasers where a legal buyer can buy guns to sell to criminals

How does a limit on the number of guns a collector can buy decrease the small criminal element from committing crimes?

Dimwingers think someone who would ignore a law that could get them executed will follow a law that could get them fined.


That’s the intellect we are dealing with.

 

[Jitss617]

Tyranny

 

[rightwinger]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

There is nothing wrong with those new weapons laws.

What's wrong is the far right radical extremists. In their mind any weapon safety laws are taking their weapons from them. They're of course lying but if they couldn't lie they wouldn't have anything to say.

They want crazy people and felons to have weapons.

They also, at least the male far right radical extremists, have very small penises and are over compensating for it. Or they feel they have no control of their lives. Throw in a large. helping of paranoia.

They are pathetic people because their actions get a lot of innocent people murdered.

All these laws are legal and in place in many states

Beyond that, they are sensible legislation

Some of them are in my state too. The state legislature won't pass those laws here but we have the ballot initiative here. Anyone can get a petition on an issue and with enough signatures, it gets on the ballot.

The weapons safety laws have mostly been passed by the people at the ballot box here in my state. It shows that the majority of the people don't object to these laws and actually want them.

It's a very small minority who allowed the relaxed weapons laws and the epidemic of shootings in our nation.

If you look at the rally in Virginia this weekend, it was a big crowd. The reality is that most of the people in that crowd don't live in Virginia. They traveled from other states to go to that rally. They don't represent the majority of the people of the state. The majority of the people in Virginia and the nation want these laws. The Supreme Court has already ruled them constitutional. So all the cries from the far right radical extremists are nothing but a pack of lies.

If they have to lie, how valid is their point?

. The majority of the people in Virginia and the nation want these laws.

Well, that certainly explains why so many cities and counties in Viginia have decided to become 2nd Amendment Sanctuaries, doesn't it?

Good....let the local community decide whether they want people packing guns wherever they go

If your community wants to be Dodge City....let them

 

[progressive hunter]

One handgun per month? I guess my question is what kind of handgun would the founders have chosen for every Tom Dick and Harriett born here to own. Revolver or Semi-Automatic?

why choose,,,get 3 of both,,,

 

[JustAGuy1]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

There is nothing wrong with those new weapons laws.

What's wrong is the far right radical extremists. In their mind any weapon safety laws are taking their weapons from them. They're of course lying but if they couldn't lie they wouldn't have anything to say.

They want crazy people and felons to have weapons.

They also, at least the male far right radical extremists, have very small penises and are over compensating for it. Or they feel they have no control of their lives. Throw in a large. helping of paranoia.

They are pathetic people because their actions get a lot of innocent people murdered.

All these laws are legal and in place in many states

Beyond that, they are sensible legislation

Some of them are in my state too. The state legislature won't pass those laws here but we have the ballot initiative here. Anyone can get a petition on an issue and with enough signatures, it gets on the ballot.

The weapons safety laws have mostly been passed by the people at the ballot box here in my state. It shows that the majority of the people don't object to these laws and actually want them.

It's a very small minority who allowed the relaxed weapons laws and the epidemic of shootings in our nation.

If you look at the rally in Virginia this weekend, it was a big crowd. The reality is that most of the people in that crowd don't live in Virginia. They traveled from other states to go to that rally. They don't represent the majority of the people of the state. The majority of the people in Virginia and the nation want these laws. The Supreme Court has already ruled them constitutional. So all the cries from the far right radical extremists are nothing but a pack of lies.

If they have to lie, how valid is their point?

How can you be this clueless? Most of the Counties have declared themselves 2A Sanctuary Counties, the National Guard and Law Enforcement have Publically stated they will not enforce these laws.

 

[rightwinger]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

Because we prefer the Liberties guaranteed in the Bill of Rights.

Imagine your speech having similar arbitrary restrictions.

None of those laws is in violation of the Bill of Rights
They have all been legally challenged in other states and were not found unconstitutional

 

[progressive hunter]

Since the Second Amendment was written, when firearms were one-shot muskets and the writers of the Constitution suspected that the British would be back, which they were in 1812, we now actually have a formal militia. It is known as the National Guard. I am hoping that no one is attacked in Richmond this afternoon, and that none of the thugs expected to assemble confronts a member of the Virginia Police or the Virginia Guard.

These thugs are costing us millions, MILLIONS, with their gangsterism. My thoughts are with the members of Virginia law enforcement at this time, who put their lives on the line. And who, at least, must be paid as they should be. We already know that people from out of state are heading to the Commonwealth to incite violence. None of those arrested by the FBI were from the Commonwealth, BTW, and one is even an undocumented alien.

The second clearly referenced well regulated militias. The gun lobby has worked hard to change its meaning. Bearing arms is a military term.

Law abiding American citizens are citizen soldiers dating back to the Minuteman

The 2nd is clear about well regulated.

clear how??? just that we need one,,it would be kinda dumb to not have the people armed to have that militia,,,

or are you saying the government should provide all arms???

 

[JLW]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

Absolutely there is nothing in those laws that any rational person should find objectionable. It is about the public safety. Given comments on this board and others by right-wingers there are people that should not be anywhere near dangerous objects much less guns.

/——/ Those who give up liberty for the false sense of security deserve neither. BF

Then why are NRA conventions gun-free zones?

Because who would want a bunch of unstable, conspiracy-driven, quick to anger gun nuts running around a convention hall fully armed.

 

[progressive hunter]

Democrats are either going to get altered or abolished if you continue to infringe on my rights

Why do you hate the 1st but defend the 2nd so much? you are no better than the gun grabbers.

that is one dumb comment,,,arent you the one ignoring the 1st by condemning his comment,,he has a right to say that,,

No, because I am not trying to get him to stop or trying to get the government to force him to. condemning a comment does not infringe upon the right to say it.

are you really this stupid or is it just an act for the internet?

its clear you dont know the difference between the 1st A and free speech,,,

so you admit you dont know the difference,,,,

 

[Harry Dresden]

3. Allow localities to ban guns in some public areas

What ever happened to local rule? If a locality wants to ban carrying guns in parks and playgrounds, why shouldn’t they?

/—-/ Banning voting in some precincts would be a local rule too.

Sorry pal

But we don’t want you carrying your gun at sporting events, schools and public festivals

If you don’t feel safe without your gun...avoid public areas

do you think a real delusional killer will heed your advice?...

 

[Brain357]

Since the Second Amendment was written, when firearms were one-shot muskets and the writers of the Constitution suspected that the British would be back, which they were in 1812, we now actually have a formal militia. It is known as the National Guard. I am hoping that no one is attacked in Richmond this afternoon, and that none of the thugs expected to assemble confronts a member of the Virginia Police or the Virginia Guard.

These thugs are costing us millions, MILLIONS, with their gangsterism. My thoughts are with the members of Virginia law enforcement at this time, who put their lives on the line. And who, at least, must be paid as they should be. We already know that people from out of state are heading to the Commonwealth to incite violence. None of those arrested by the FBI were from the Commonwealth, BTW, and one is even an undocumented alien.

The second clearly referenced well regulated militias. The gun lobby has worked hard to change its meaning. Bearing arms is a military term.

Law abiding American citizens are citizen soldiers dating back to the Minuteman

The 2nd is clear about well regulated.

The man who wrote the 2nd says it means the whole people
“I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.” – George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

That is BS.

What America is getting wrong about three important words in the Second Amendment

 

[Brain357]

The second clearly referenced well regulated militias. The gun lobby has worked hard to change its meaning. Bearing arms is a military term.

Law abiding American citizens are citizen soldiers dating back to the Minuteman

The 2nd is clear about well regulated.

The Founding Fathers Explain The Second Amendment

the man who authored the 2nd Amendment explained what it meant

“I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.” – George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

And they specified well regulated.

Having no guns is your idea of well regulated

Laws more like Switzerland would probably be good.

 

[Brain357]

Since the Second Amendment was written, when firearms were one-shot muskets and the writers of the Constitution suspected that the British would be back, which they were in 1812, we now actually have a formal militia. It is known as the National Guard. I am hoping that no one is attacked in Richmond this afternoon, and that none of the thugs expected to assemble confronts a member of the Virginia Police or the Virginia Guard.

These thugs are costing us millions, MILLIONS, with their gangsterism. My thoughts are with the members of Virginia law enforcement at this time, who put their lives on the line. And who, at least, must be paid as they should be. We already know that people from out of state are heading to the Commonwealth to incite violence. None of those arrested by the FBI were from the Commonwealth, BTW, and one is even an undocumented alien.

The second clearly referenced well regulated militias. The gun lobby has worked hard to change its meaning. Bearing arms is a military term.

Law abiding American citizens are citizen soldiers dating back to the Minuteman

The 2nd is clear about well regulated.

clear how??? just that we need one,,it would be kinda dumb to not have the people armed to have that militia,,,

or are you saying the government should provide all arms???

The national guard is our well regulated militia.

 

[progressive hunter]

Since the Second Amendment was written, when firearms were one-shot muskets and the writers of the Constitution suspected that the British would be back, which they were in 1812, we now actually have a formal militia. It is known as the National Guard. I am hoping that no one is attacked in Richmond this afternoon, and that none of the thugs expected to assemble confronts a member of the Virginia Police or the Virginia Guard.

These thugs are costing us millions, MILLIONS, with their gangsterism. My thoughts are with the members of Virginia law enforcement at this time, who put their lives on the line. And who, at least, must be paid as they should be. We already know that people from out of state are heading to the Commonwealth to incite violence. None of those arrested by the FBI were from the Commonwealth, BTW, and one is even an undocumented alien.

The second clearly referenced well regulated militias. The gun lobby has worked hard to change its meaning. Bearing arms is a military term.

Law abiding American citizens are citizen soldiers dating back to the Minuteman

The 2nd is clear about well regulated.

The man who wrote the 2nd says it means the whole people
“I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.” – George Mason, Address to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 4, 1788

That is BS.

What America is getting wrong about three important words in the Second Amendment

all it says about a militia is that you need one to secure a free state,

thats just a qualifier for the second half of the 2nd,,,an unarmed militia serves no purpose,,,

 

[Nostra]

Sensible legislation

Virginia gun laws: What sparked Richmond gun rally tied to neo-Nazis?

Three bills passed the state Senate on Thursday: A limit to one handgun purchase per month, a requirement for universal background checks on gun sales and a rule allowing localities to ban guns in some public areas.

Absolutely there is nothing in those laws that any rational person should find objectionable. It is about the public safety. Given comments on this board and others by right-wingers there are people that should not be anywhere near dangerous objects much less guns.

/——/ Those who give up liberty for the false sense of security deserve neither. BF

Then why are NRA conventions gun-free zones?

They aren’t, moron.

The NRA Annual Convention in Photos