Why would anyone be surprised if 50% of Americans have a "Preexisting Condition"?

[Ava]

"At this point, should be surprised that only 50% of Americans would be classified with a "preexisting condition."

You are right. With ObamaCare, that percentage will suddenly increase dramatically, as the taxpayers and small business owners join them in their poverty and serfdom

 

[Two Thumbs]

When you're done DEmonizing Insurance companies demonRats what or who will be your next target? doyathink?

Life insurance and/or loss of wages ins (uhm, what AFLAC covers)

No one should have to foot the bill b/c a loved one died and those evul aflac people rarely have to pay out.

soo

mandates need to be mandated.

those are the only 2 left, that I know of.

 

[goldcatt]

Whoa, back up the short bus, something I missed the first time around.

Domestic violence as a pre-existing condition? RAPE as a pre-existing condition?

Since when is being the victim of a violent crime a medical condition? Is this for real?

 

[Modbert]

Whoa, back up the short bus, something I missed the first time around.

Domestic violence as a pre-existing condition? RAPE as a pre-existing condition?

Since when is being the victim of a violent crime a medical condition? Is this for real?

Yup. Domestic Violence is or at least was before the article came out was a pre-existing condition in 8 states. As is pregnancy, and being a expectant father. Also, wanting to adopt is considered a pre-existing condition.

Papers Show Insurers Limited Coverage for Acne, Pregnancy - washingtonpost.com

Health insurers have issued guidelines saying they could deny coverage to people suffering from such conditions as acne, hemorrhoids and bunions.

Uninsurable conditions included pregnancy, and being an "expectant father" was grounds for "automatic rejection." So was having received "therapy/counseling" within six months of the application. There was also this more general disqualifier: "currently experiencing/experienced within the last 12 months symptoms for which a physician has not been consulted."

One big insurer refused to issue individual policies to police officers and firefighters, along with people in other hazardous occupations.

Some treated pregnancy or the intention to adopt as a reason for rejection.

 

[Mad Scientist]

The FDA recently decided that Avastin was no longer approved for treating women with advanced breast cancer.

And now Medicare has stopped covering the drug in some states.

It's quite easy to connect the dots.

Avastin Coverage Ends for Some Medicare Patients With Breast Cancer - NYTimes.com

Another reason why Government has no place in our Heath Care choices.

Says the guy who says there is nothing wrong with the system. LOL!!!!

Incorrect. I said Health Care being too costly is a fair argument.

 

[geauxtohell]

Absurd. I never heard the term "pre-existing condition" before the Kenyan, Marxist Socialist re-invented Medicine in the first month of his regime following his Coup De' Tat.

Also, he invented all those pathologies. They didn't exist prior to his taking office. Robbin's and Coltran was actually on 15 pages before the Obummer Administration.

In all seriousness, the most egregious "pre-existing" condition I see on there is the "abnormal pap", as a large percentage of women, especially young women, have an abnormal pap smear at some point in their life (followed by a lifetime of normal ones_. It's one reason that it's no longer recommended for women younger than 21 to get a pap smear.

 

[goldcatt]

The total lack of logic inherent in jacking up premiums or denying coverage for a condition with little to no risk when it's excluded from coverage anyway is one thing.

But holy shit, Batman. That's beyond completely illogical and into insane.

 

[Two Thumbs]

Whoa, back up the short bus, something I missed the first time around.

Domestic violence as a pre-existing condition? RAPE as a pre-existing condition?

Since when is being the victim of a violent crime a medical condition? Is this for real?

It's a mental health issue.

victims can use thier insurance to pay to see shrinks and get the meds they need to help them recover.

switch insurance at further risk. We never had much of an issue, but there were a couple times the places we went to had to go to bat for us.

 

[geauxtohell]

What numbers are people supposed to respond to? The 50 million numbers is about 19% of the US population, yet you also say that 50% of the population has a preexisting condition. It is a little confusing when the bullshit you post contradicts itself.

I'm saying that one shouldn't be surprised if 50% of the population has a preexisting condition.

Insurers Dismiss Administration Claims on Pre-Existing Conditions Barrier - FoxNews.com

You're talking about the lowest number possible of the study between 50 million and 129 million Americans. You seem to think it's 50 million at the most. Nothing is being contradicted here.

The Department of Health and Human Services study, released Tuesday, concludes that somewhere between 50 million and 129 million non-elderly Americans have a pre-existing condition -- the kind of condition insurance companies can use to deny coverage. The study further found that 15-30 percent of people in good health are likely to develop such a condition within eight years.

With that list, it would be a lot higher than 50%.

Reynaud's and acne? Give me a break. Talk about your benign pathology.

 

[Modbert]

Absurd. I never heard the term "pre-existing condition" before the Kenyan, Marxist Socialist re-invented Medicine in the first month of his regime following his Coup De' Tat.

Also, he invented all those pathologies. They didn't exist prior to his taking office. Robbin's and Coltran was actually on 15 pages before the Obummer Administration.

In all seriousness, the most egregious "pre-existing" condition I see on there is the "abnormal pap", as a large percentage of women, especially young women, have an abnormal pap smear at some point in their life (followed by a lifetime of normal ones_. It's one reason that it's no longer recommended for women younger than 21 to get a pap smear.

His master plan to take over 1/6 of the economy (by giving the insurance companies even more customers of course) is probably hidden with the real birth certificate!

But in all seriousness, I noticed that too. I have to say, this list of pre-existing conditions makes it seem geared to women not being able to have insurance or at least have the risk of losing it at any time a serious illness comes up.

 

[RDD_1210]

Incorrect. I said we have the best Health Care system in the world (which we do). But nothing can be perfect as it is created by men who are themselves imperfect.

I said that health care being too costly is a fair argument.

You said it and I quoted it already. Please stop with the nonsense.

 

[geauxtohell]

Absurd. I never heard the term "pre-existing condition" before the Kenyan, Marxist Socialist re-invented Medicine in the first month of his regime following his Coup De' Tat.

Also, he invented all those pathologies. They didn't exist prior to his taking office. Robbin's and Coltran was actually on 15 pages before the Obummer Administration.

In all seriousness, the most egregious "pre-existing" condition I see on there is the "abnormal pap", as a large percentage of women, especially young women, have an abnormal pap smear at some point in their life (followed by a lifetime of normal ones_. It's one reason that it's no longer recommended for women younger than 21 to get a pap smear.

His master plan to take over 1/6 of the economy (by giving the insurance companies even more customers of course) is probably hidden with the real birth certificate!

But in all seriousness, I noticed that too. I have to say, this list of pre-existing conditions makes it seem geared to women not being able to have insurance or at least have the risk of losing it at any time a serious illness comes up.

Well, women live longer and are generally healthier than men, so we have to find a way to jack up those premium costs and recoup our money somehow.

 

[goldcatt]

Whoa, back up the short bus, something I missed the first time around.

Domestic violence as a pre-existing condition? RAPE as a pre-existing condition?

Since when is being the victim of a violent crime a medical condition? Is this for real?

It's a mental health issue.

victims can use thier insurance to pay to see shrinks and get the meds they need to help them recover.

switch insurance at further risk. We never had much of an issue, but there were a couple times the places we went to had to go to bat for us.

Considering the limitations on mental health coverage in most plans, a particularly traumatic ingrown toenail could cause mental health bennies to get maxed out.

What's really amazing is if a person has been in therapy or counseling, that's already a pre-existing condition and not covered. Illogic runs amok.

 

[geauxtohell]

Whoa, back up the short bus, something I missed the first time around.

Domestic violence as a pre-existing condition? RAPE as a pre-existing condition?

Since when is being the victim of a violent crime a medical condition? Is this for real?

It's a mental health issue.

victims can use thier insurance to pay to see shrinks and get the meds they need to help them recover.

switch insurance at further risk. We never had much of an issue, but there were a couple times the places we went to had to go to bat for us.

Considering the limitations on mental health coverage in most plans, a particularly traumatic ingrown toenail could cause mental health bennies to get maxed out.

What's really amazing is if a person has been in therapy or counseling, that's already a pre-existing condition and not covered. Illogic runs amok.

Also, the last time I checked, "rape" is not a pathology. I mean, it can lead to certain pathologies, but it's not exactly a "medical condition".

So maybe the term should be changed to "Pre-existing medical condition or life experience".

Eventually we can expand it to include traffic accidents, divorce, and cancellation of of favorite television series.

I mean, those can all cause mental trauma too.

 

[Modbert]

Also, the last time I checked, "rape" is not a pathology. I mean, it can lead to certain pathologies, but it's not exactly a "medical condition".

So maybe the term should be changed to "Pre-existing medical condition or life experience".

Eventually we can expand it to include traffic accidents, divorce, and cancellation of of favorite television series.

I mean, those can all cause mental trauma too.

Insurance companies have you covered.

Papers Show Insurers Limited Coverage for Acne, Pregnancy - washingtonpost.com

So was having received "therapy/counseling" within six months of the application. There was also this more general disqualifier: "currently experiencing/experienced within the last 12 months symptoms for which a physician has not been consulted."

 

[goldcatt]

It's a mental health issue.

victims can use thier insurance to pay to see shrinks and get the meds they need to help them recover.

switch insurance at further risk. We never had much of an issue, but there were a couple times the places we went to had to go to bat for us.

Considering the limitations on mental health coverage in most plans, a particularly traumatic ingrown toenail could cause mental health bennies to get maxed out.

What's really amazing is if a person has been in therapy or counseling, that's already a pre-existing condition and not covered. Illogic runs amok.

Also, the last time I checked, "rape" is not a pathology. I mean, it can lead to certain pathologies, but it's not exactly a "medical condition".

So maybe the term should be changed to "Pre-existing medical condition or life experience".

Eventually we can expand it to include traffic accidents, divorce, and cancellation of of favorite television series.

I mean, those can all cause mental trauma too.

Don't give state regulators any ideas.

 

[rdean]

No, I'm not.

One insurance company doesn't control the market and have the FDA at its disposal to decide what is approved and not approved.

Most big insurance companies post their definition of "pre-existing condition" and they are very nearly the same.

Who pays for an Insurance Companys CEO's 120 million dollar salary? Where does that money come from?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

ACNE!

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

DEEP BREATH

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA


com'on man! Acne is a pre-existing condition?

Well that's how they got to 50%

I'm 43 and still get some acne.

Absurd, isn't it? Hence why this problem needed a solution.

Ask him how often he was denied coverage because of acne. My bet is he never had any trouble getting coverage.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Absurd, isn't it? Hence why this problem needed a solution.

It's like they want obama care

well

Insurance companies do. The mandate will be a boom for them. And they can go right back to fighting to not pay the bills.

Exactly! This health reform is the best thing to happen to Insurance companies.

Actually, it is the best thing to happen for the insurance companies, why do you think they all support it? If you were really consistent you would be against the ACA because the same companies you think are the source of all the problems are fully behind the new law. The fact that you cannot get past your partisan blinders and see this shows exactly how much of a hypocrite you actually are.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

LOL, Avastin was proven to be not effective for that indication. What's the issue? I don't see how this means the FDA is overseeing individual patient outcomes. LOL.

Funny, insurance companies, the big bad evil people who care only about profits, think it is beneficial.

A decision by WellPoint Inc. and other insurers to keep paying for Avastin in breast cancer may help Roche Holding AG avoid a $1 billion drop in sales after U.S. regulators said the drug doesn’t treat the disease. WellPoint, UnitedHealth Group Inc., Aetna Inc. and Humana Inc. say they’ll keep covering Avastin based on a recommendation by the National Comprehensive Cancer Network. The nonprofit alliance of oncologists, some of whom have disclosed financial ties to Roche, says it plans to keep recommending use of Avastin in breast cancer based on the current data.

Insurers Back Roche’s Avastin Even as FDA Says It Doesn’t Work - Businessweek

You realize you are now arguing against continued use of a drug that insurance companies are willing to pay for despite its added expense and supposed lack of effectiveness. I bet you think the ACA will not have death panels either.