Why support Israel?

[Roudy]

You haven't read the Talmud. You read some English hate-site which plucked out portions with which to demonize Jews.

I've invited Jews here to share the non-hate side of the Talmud. The Jews couldn't do it.

There is no "hate" in the Talmud. You only think you know about the "hate" parts because you have been trained to look for the hate parts and you see innocent things as hate parts because you enter the Jewish world with the pre-conception of hate. There is no "hate" in the Talmud. The only hate is that which people like you bring to it.

And the reason most Jews do not discuss the Talmud with rabid antisemites is because the POINT of the discussion when brought up by rabid antisemites is not to understand the Talmud better or to understand Jewish law better or to understand the Jewish people better -- its to use the discussion as a platform to spread more irrational toxic hate.


I'll leave you with a few things:

Seven things characterise the wise man, and seven the blockhead. The wise man speaks not before those who are his superiors, either in age or wisdom. He interrupts not others in the midst of their discourse. He replies not hastily. His questions are relevant to the subject, his answers, to the purpose. In delivering his sentiments he takes the first in order first, the last, last. What he understands not he says, ?I understand not.? He acknowledges his error, and is open to conviction. The reverse of all these characterizes the blockhead.

Whoever destroys a single life is as guilty as though he had destroyed the entire world and whoever rescues a single life earns as much merit as though he had rescued the entire world.

As the All-present is called compassionate and gracious, so be you also compassionate and gracious and offering free gifts to all. As the Holy One, blessed be He, is called righteous, be you also righteous; as He is called loving, be you also loving.

You're Jewish?
Because when another user badmouthed Christians as haters, you certainly didn't step up to say there was no hate in Christianity.

Well, you aren't a Christian then, thanks for the clarification.

I'm agnostic, although I was raised Catholic.

What a surprise!

 

[BulletProof]

Imagine if the Catholic community threw a fundraiser for their pedo clergy.

Jewish rabbies perform oral sex on little boys because the Talmud tells them to.

 

[BulletProof]

And THERE you go looking for hate again when there is none.

You passed on a lie about what the Talmud said. I corrected that lie. The Talmud is hate. Even the verses you quote, when not altered, show the Talmud to be a book of hate.

 

[BulletProof]

And, people like Bullet aren't really interested in discussing it. They have their websites with cherry picked out of context quotes, stripped of historical meaning, fluffed with evil overlord conspiracy theory crap and that's all they "need".

I find religion fascinating to discuss...but not with those who depend on hate sites for "information".

You really aren't interested in discussing it, because your post shows that you don't bother reading what others have posted. I have not quoted the Talmud, except to correct factual misrepresentations of others. Reviewing this thread, I can't even be potentially guilty of what you say I'm doing.

Even if I had chosen to quote the Talmud, you'd accuse me of taking the quotes out of context whether I did or not. You can't even wait for me to quote it to charge me with it.

You're pointing the wrong direction at who misquotes the Talmud.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Well, he's right, none of these Talmud experts ever refute the quotes, because there's got to be a lot of truth behind them.

On the contrary, you can google a sound, Jewish-based, refutation of any of the common hate-claims. Or I can do it. Or any of the Jewish-learned members of this board can do it. But the response to that sound, Jewish-based, refutation is universally, "oh, you are just saying that, its not REALLY what Jews believe". (As though YOU not only have a right to decide what Jews believe, but somehow have this magic ability to determine what Jews really believe).

You see hate because you want to see hate. Because you've been conditioned to see hate.

And he asked if there was anything "good" in the Talmud and I responded with some examples.

Wikipedia sure does a shit job of refuting the Talmud Unmasked.

The Talmud Unmasked - Wikipedia

I don't think there is much to refute.

I don't really doubt it, either.

Because Jews resisting Christianity, probably did write anti-Christian texts to keep Jews, as Jews.

Wikipedia isn't refuting anything. It's discussing a book of that title, and it's criticisms of it are noteworty.

Accuracy and fabrication
Pranaitis could not read Aramaic (the primary language of the Talmud),[5] and probably used works by August Rohling and others as his sources.


The book includes numerous quotes from the Talmud and the Zohar.[6] His ignorance of some simple Talmudic Aramaic concepts and definitions, such as "hullin", was demonstrated during the Menahem Mendel Beilis blood libel case in which he testified as a "Talmud expert".[7][8]


Antisemitism
Scholars classify The Talmud Unmasked as an antisemitic and anti-Talmudic work, comparable to Der Talmud Jude by August Rohling (1871) and The Traditions Of The Jews by Johann Eisenmenger (1700).​

Well, Wikipedia certainly doesn't refute the themes of the book, like it usually would if they weren't true.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Oh really?
Poland owes Jews, Haha good joke.

Millions of Jewish refugees accepted by Poland.

First Jewish civil rights movement by Poland the Statute of Kalisz.

The highest number of people who saved Holocaust victim Jews, or Righteous among the Nations by Poland including Henryk Slawik, Irena Sendler, and Eugene Lazowski.

Jan Karski, and Witold Pilecki warned the World about the Holocaust.

Żegota the biggest organization to help Jews in WW2.

And yet the Polish people were in general Nazi supporters and Jew haters.

So no, I'm not impressed. Poland still owes the Jews.

Try a different tactic.

Your stupidity is prime example to why many Poles to this day don't like Jews.

Why the f*ck would Poles appreciate the dirties who typically not only neglect Polish victims of the Holocaust, but whom typically blame Poland for the Holocaust.

No, I've dealt with loads of Jews online, and I refuse to support your repulsive twits.

Ok so get it it that you irrationally hate an entire religious group...

Ever sat down to lunch with a Jew and chatted...like normal people do?

Supporting Israel is complicated and the OP is open ended. You can condemn or support state actions but the Jewish people, like any other, are diverse individuals. To hate them as a group based on religion or eth nic heritage is to demonize and thst leads to dehumanizing.

Well, I don't know how Jews can expect to be respected, after they've killed thousands of Poles following WW2, push dumb Polak jokes slander, push Poland did the Holocaust lies, and in general push up against Conservative, and Catholic values that most Poles hold dear.

No, I wouldn't say I hate all Jews, just a lot of them.

I've never even seen a Jew show any gratitude towards Poland.

So, why should I show them any gratitude?

No, I don't like Jews, in fact they're my least favorite people.

Hitler killed them. Poles and Jews both. In fact, a lot of POLISH Jews too. They were Poles...

If Jews were Polish, why did most of them speak Yiddish, rather than Polish?

No, Polish Jews weren't Polish, nothing about them was Polish.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

OK, can't You understand people who support Kurdistan independence?
US or European citizens, even though they might be non-Kurdish.

Kurdistan's independence wouldn't displace many, if any people from the lands, though.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

You haven't read the Talmud. You read some English hate-site which plucked out portions with which to demonize Jews.

I've invited Jews here to share the non-hate side of the Talmud. The Jews couldn't do it.

Its not especially difficult. So, clearly you spoke untruth when you said that you had read the Talmud. You have read only those portions of the Talmud frequently used by people filled with irrational toxic hate to inject that irrational toxic hate into others. And clearly it worked on you.

The complete set with Hebrew/Aramaic original text, English translation and commentary is 73 volumes, more than 6000 pages and has a shipping weight of 342 lbs. It is an extensive coding of Jewish law, commentary, instruction and folklore, legends, ethical writings and notes on observance. Its an astounding collection of writings spanning hundreds of years.

There is no "hate" in the Talmud. You only think you know about the "hate" parts because you have been trained to look for the hate parts and you see innocent things as hate parts because you enter the Jewish world with the pre-conception of hate. There is no "hate" in the Talmud. The only hate is that which people like you bring to it.

And the reason most Jews do not discuss the Talmud with rabid antisemites is because the POINT of the discussion when brought up by rabid antisemites is not to understand the Talmud better or to understand Jewish law better or to understand the Jewish people better -- its to use the discussion as a platform to spread more irrational toxic hate.


I'll leave you with a few things:

Seven things characterise the wise man, and seven the blockhead. The wise man speaks not before those who are his superiors, either in age or wisdom. He interrupts not others in the midst of their discourse. He replies not hastily. His questions are relevant to the subject, his answers, to the purpose. In delivering his sentiments he takes the first in order first, the last, last. What he understands not he says, ?I understand not.? He acknowledges his error, and is open to conviction. The reverse of all these characterizes the blockhead.

Whoever destroys a single life is as guilty as though he had destroyed the entire world and whoever rescues a single life earns as much merit as though he had rescued the entire world.

As the All-present is called compassionate and gracious, so be you also compassionate and gracious and offering free gifts to all. As the Holy One, blessed be He, is called righteous, be you also righteous; as He is called loving, be you also loving.

And, people like Bullet aren't really interested in discussing it. They have their websites with cherry picked out of context quotes, stripped of historical meaning, fluffed with evil overlord conspiracy theory crap and that's all they "need".

I find religion fascinating to discuss...but not with those who depend on hate sites for "information".

Everything Jews say should taken with a grain of salt.

The Jews also tend to kick, and scream if you point out that Hollywood, or the media, are heavily Jewish, which are facts.

Jews just seem to like getting theirs at all costs.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Your stupidity is prime example to why many Poles to this day don't like Jews.

Why the f*ck would Poles appreciate the dirties who typically not only neglect Polish victims of the Holocaust, but whom typically blame Poland for the Holocaust.

No, I've dealt with loads of Jews online, and I refuse to support your repulsive twits.

The Poles are offended now, is that it?

Screw that. My family was wiped out, and it gives me the right to blame whoever the **** took place in it, even if they were not the ones who orchestrated it.

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Why not also blame Jews for Group 13, Jewish Ghetto Police, Judenrat. Jewish Sonderkommandos, and Jewish Kapos?

Millions of Poles also died in WW2, why is this neglected?

You Jews are the most selfish pricks I've ever seen.

The Poles did not die because they were Poles.

Jews died because they were Jews.

The Judenrat were forced to become what they became because of the Nazi regime.

The Jews fairly gained their right to be selfish, as the world's nations don't care if they live or die.

Generalplan Ost shows Nazis had wicked plans for Slavs, including Poles.
Poles were also condemned by Nazis as racial Untermensch.


But, leave it to you a Jew, to think you're the star light victim.

Ya, Hitler hated the Slavs too. In fact, the Russians suffered huge losses to Hitler....the Seige of Leningrad...it's over looked in western history because of the Cold War and such. But they have many memorials to it. But that doesn't diminish the fact that Hitler managed to kill close to 2/3 of the Jews on the European continent. AND THEY HAD NO SAFE PLACE TO GO. Nowhere. The US turned them away, until it was too late.

More like the fact that more Russians were killed than Jews in WW2, is left out because THEY'RE NOT JEWS.

Same reason why Chinese, Poles, Ukrainians, or Serbs killed in WW2 is left out.

Same reason why the Belgian Holocaust by Leopold, and the Late Victorian Holocausts by Britain are left out of the books too.

The Jewish life just matters more than everybody else.
That's even an attitude theme by some Zionists here, it's no wonder why in the real World a lot of people don't like them.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

And THERE you go looking for hate again when there is none.

You passed on a lie about what the Talmud said. I corrected that lie. The Talmud is hate. Even the verses you quote, when not altered, show the Talmud to be a book of hate.

The irony is a lot of Zionists say that the Quran has evil texts, but deny the same about the Talmud.

It seems that in both cases, that it would be true, but that they aren't common, but rather background noise hatred.

 

[BulletProof]

Saving A Person Is Like Saving The World
"Whoever destroys a soul, it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world. And whoever saves a life, it is considered as if he saved an entire world."

That is a wonderful concept to live by...

Sanhedrin 37a: Therefore, a single person was created to teach you that whoever loses one soul from Israel, the scriptures make it seem as if he has lost a whole world, and whoever sustains one soul from Israel.

Sanhedrin 4:1 (22a) "Whoever destroys a soul, it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world. And whoever saves a life, it is considered as if he saved an entire world."

Way to go, rip the verse from context.

In context, Sanhedrin 4 says God created one person, Adam, to teach Whoever destroys a soul, it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world, which is the same argument found in Sanhedrin 37a, except there it's explicitly limited to Israel (Jews).

The Talmud teaches that gentiles are soulless animals, so to a Jew, Sanhedrin 4 says nothing different than what Sanhedrin 37 says.

Zarah 22 says, "It is written: And you my sheep, the sheep of my pasture, are adam: You are called adam but heathens are not called adam." [adam=man] What this verse explicitly says is the theme of every page of the Talmud. You have no evidence the your quote from the Talmud applies to gentiles, and the whole Talmud stands against your claim.

 

[BulletProof]

More like the fact that more Russians were killed than Jews in WW2, is left out because THEY'RE NOT JEWS.

What was it, 25 million Russians killed in WWII? And, Russia probably can name them most of them. But, try to have Jews name even 100K of the alleged six million Jews killed in the Holocaust.

 

[Roudy]

And yet the Polish people were in general Nazi supporters and Jew haters.

So no, I'm not impressed. Poland still owes the Jews.

Try a different tactic.

Your stupidity is prime example to why many Poles to this day don't like Jews.

Why the f*ck would Poles appreciate the dirties who typically not only neglect Polish victims of the Holocaust, but whom typically blame Poland for the Holocaust.

No, I've dealt with loads of Jews online, and I refuse to support your repulsive twits.

Ok so get it it that you irrationally hate an entire religious group...

Ever sat down to lunch with a Jew and chatted...like normal people do?

Supporting Israel is complicated and the OP is open ended. You can condemn or support state actions but the Jewish people, like any other, are diverse individuals. To hate them as a group based on religion or eth nic heritage is to demonize and thst leads to dehumanizing.

Well, I don't know how Jews can expect to be respected, after they've killed thousands of Poles following WW2, push dumb Polak jokes slander, push Poland did the Holocaust lies, and in general push up against Conservative, and Catholic values that most Poles hold dear.

No, I wouldn't say I hate all Jews, just a lot of them.

I've never even seen a Jew show any gratitude towards Poland.

So, why should I show them any gratitude?

No, I don't like Jews, in fact they're my least favorite people.

Hitler killed them. Poles and Jews both. In fact, a lot of POLISH Jews too. They were Poles...

If Jews were Polish, why did most of them speak Yiddish, rather than Polish?

No, Polish Jews weren't Polish, nothing about them was Polish.

If Latinos are Americans why do they speak Spanish? Numbskull.

 

[Roudy]

More like the fact that more Russians were killed than Jews in WW2, is left out because THEY'RE NOT JEWS.

What was it, 25 million Russians killed in WWII? And, Russia probably can name them most of them. But, try to have Jews name even 100K of the alleged six million Jews killed in the Holocaust.

Shouldn't you two get to know each other a little better? Ha ha ha.

 

[Roudy]

Saving A Person Is Like Saving The World
"Whoever destroys a soul, it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world. And whoever saves a life, it is considered as if he saved an entire world."

That is a wonderful concept to live by...

Sanhedrin 37a: Therefore, a single person was created to teach you that whoever loses one soul from Israel, the scriptures make it seem as if he has lost a whole world, and whoever sustains one soul from Israel.

Sanhedrin 4:1 (22a) "Whoever destroys a soul, it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world. And whoever saves a life, it is considered as if he saved an entire world."

Way to go, rip the verse from context.

In context, Sanhedrin 4 says God created one person, Adam, to teach Whoever destroys a soul, it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world, which is the same argument found in Sanhedrin 37a, except there it's explicitly limited to Israel (Jews).

The Talmud teaches that gentiles are soulless animals, so to a Jew, Sanhedrin 4 says nothing different than what Sanhedrin 37 says.

Zarah 22 says, "It is written: And you my sheep, the sheep of my pasture, are adam: You are called adam but heathens are not called adam." [adam=man] What this verse explicitly says is the theme of every page of the Talmud. You have no evidence the your quote from the Talmud applies to gentiles, and the whole Talmud stands against your claim.

Which neo Nazi IslamoNazi site did you did that, Abdul?

 

[Roudy]

Imagine if the Catholic community threw a fundraiser for their pedo clergy.

Jewish rabbies perform oral sex on little boys because the Talmud tells them to.

Oh great, another Darwin Award winner who fantasizes about sucking Jewish penises.

 

[BulletProof]

Jewish rabbies perform oral sex on little boys because the Talmud tells them to.

Oh great, another Darwin Award winner who fantasizes about sucking Jewish penises.

Jewish rabbis perform oral sex an little boys, because the Talmud tells them to, and that's your reply? Are your embarrassed by your Antichrist religion?

 

[Lipush]

Poland owes the Jewish people and should not look for any gratitude.

And the US gainst alot from Israel. If it wouldn't, it wouldn't have helped the state. USA does nothing out of real kindness. It's all a matter of what they get from it

Just like every other country on the globe.

Oh really?
Poland owes Jews, Haha good joke.

Millions of Jewish refugees accepted by Poland.

First Jewish civil rights movement by Poland the Statute of Kalisz.

The highest number of people who saved Holocaust victim Jews, or Righteous among the Nations by Poland including Henryk Slawik, Irena Sendler, and Eugene Lazowski.

Jan Karski, and Witold Pilecki warned the World about the Holocaust.

Żegota the biggest organization to help Jews in WW2.

And yet the Polish people were in general Nazi supporters and Jew haters.

So no, I'm not impressed. Poland still owes the Jews.

Try a different tactic.

Your stupidity is prime example to why many Poles to this day don't like Jews.

Why the f*ck would Poles appreciate the dirties who typically not only neglect Polish victims of the Holocaust, but whom typically blame Poland for the Holocaust.

No, I've dealt with loads of Jews online, and I refuse to support your repulsive twits.

Ok so get it it that you irrationally hate an entire religious group...

Ever sat down to lunch with a Jew and chatted...like normal people do?

Supporting Israel is complicated and the OP is open ended. You can condemn or support state actions but the Jewish people, like any other, are diverse individuals. To hate them as a group based on religion or eth nic heritage is to demonize and thst leads to dehumanizing.

Well, I don't know how Jews can expect to be respected, after they've killed thousands of Poles following WW2, push dumb Polak jokes slander, push Poland did the Holocaust lies, and in general push up against Conservative, and Catholic values that most Poles hold dear.

No, I wouldn't say I hate all Jews, just a lot of them.

I've never even seen a Jew show any gratitude towards Poland.

So, why should I show them any gratitude?

No, I don't like Jews, in fact they're my least favorite people.

This is us crying hysterically.

Haters always seem to think.we actually give a damn about how they feel about us.

Kind of funny, actually.

 

[Lipush]

If the Bible was questioned as hateful, would you fight with such vigor?

You are asking the wrong question. If there was anti-Christian or anti-Rohyina or whatever which was as global and as powerful and as inherent as antisemitism -- I would fight with such vigor. There isn't. There just isn't. This board is infected with antisemitism. The world is infected with antisemitism. You are part of that.

So, you are admitting to being biased, and unfair?
Thus far we've had a bunch of Zionists here, suggesting that Jews deserve more rights, than others.
No wonder why no one likes these pricks.

There's also a lot of anti-Polish propaganda floating around, and in most cases Jews are at the forefront of this.

Why should I like f'in Jews?

Oh, Poland accepted Jewish refugees, granted them the first Jewish civil rights the Statute of Kalisz, warned the World about the Holocaust with Jan Karski, and had Zegota the only WW2 organization dedicated to saving Jews only.

Yet, the rat faced f'ers, want to start a culture war with Polish people?
They got one with me.

Don't expect me to like these slimy rats.

You're a hateful human being. As a Catholic, you should pray Jesus implant more compassion in your heart.

 

[Lipush]

Let's be honest here.

You opened up a thread about why should you support Israel and started with all kind of explanations.

None of them qualified as a reason for you. Not a real one.

Instead of dragging us for 30 pages of nonsense, you could have saved us all the headache and just say

"I don't want to support Israel because I hate all Jews."

Which proves what I said many times - scratch the Anti-Israeli and find the Jew hater.