Why support Israel?

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

So, they are putting forward portions of the Talmud?

They are deliberately misreading, misunderstanding, misrepresenting Talmud and Jewish thought in order to shore up, support and spread toxic and irrational hatred of Jews.

Well, he's right, none of these Talmud experts ever refute the quotes, because there's got to be a lot of truth behind them.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

You're Jewish?
Because when another user badmouthed Christians as haters, you certainly didn't step up to say there was no hate in Christianity.

I'm pretty sure the user badmouthed a specific Christian for his specific hate. But since I don't know exactly which post you mean, I can't say for certain.

But its actually a good question. There are problematic ideologies in most religions. I find Christianity and Islam to be more problematic than most -- distinctly because of their unique "my way or the highway" theology. Would I go so far as to call those ideologies "hate"? Nope, I wouldn't. But they do lend themselves to irrational hate, imo.

How come you didn't answer, if you're Jewish?

 

[dani67]

From the Lavon affair, to the U.S.S Liberty bombing, to Jonathan Pollard..... It just seems to be a one sided affair.... Especially considering support for Israel makes Muslims more angry at the U.S.

Can someone please tell us what's the purpose for us to support Israel?

Just because you read about Israel in the bible, or because they're Jewish.
Really?
as if those are logical explanations?

because usa is good puppy for jew

 

[Shusha]

Well, he's right, none of these Talmud experts ever refute the quotes, because there's got to be a lot of truth behind them.

On the contrary, you can google a sound, Jewish-based, refutation of any of the common hate-claims. Or I can do it. Or any of the Jewish-learned members of this board can do it. But the response to that sound, Jewish-based, refutation is universally, "oh, you are just saying that, its not REALLY what Jews believe". (As though YOU not only have a right to decide what Jews believe, but somehow have this magic ability to determine what Jews really believe).

You see hate because you want to see hate. Because you've been conditioned to see hate.

And he asked if there was anything "good" in the Talmud and I responded with some examples.

 

[Shusha]

You're Jewish?
Because when another user badmouthed Christians as haters, you certainly didn't step up to say there was no hate in Christianity.

I'm pretty sure the user badmouthed a specific Christian for his specific hate. But since I don't know exactly which post you mean, I can't say for certain.

But its actually a good question. There are problematic ideologies in most religions. I find Christianity and Islam to be more problematic than most -- distinctly because of their unique "my way or the highway" theology. Would I go so far as to call those ideologies "hate"? Nope, I wouldn't. But they do lend themselves to irrational hate, imo.

How come you didn't answer, if you're Jewish?

Tell me what post you are referring to. I can't respond if I don't know what you are referring to.

 

[BulletProof]

I'll leave you with a few things:

Seven things characterise the wise man, and seven the blockhead. The wise man speaks not before those who are his superiors, either in age or wisdom. He interrupts not others in the midst of their discourse. He replies not hastily. His questions are relevant to the subject, his answers, to the purpose. In delivering his sentiments he takes the first in order first, the last, last. What he understands not he says, ?I understand not.? He acknowledges his error, and is open to conviction. The reverse of all these characterizes the blockhead.

Whoever destroys a single life is as guilty as though he had destroyed the entire world and whoever rescues a single life earns as much merit as though he had rescued the entire world.

As the All-present is called compassionate and gracious, so be you also compassionate and gracious and offering free gifts to all. As the Holy One, blessed be He, is called righteous, be you also righteous; as He is called loving, be you also loving.

You're either a liar or very ignorant. Those are misquotes. The Talmud is all hate. There's a reason neither you nor the website you linked to tells which chapter those quotes are from, much less with translation they come from.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Well, he's right, none of these Talmud experts ever refute the quotes, because there's got to be a lot of truth behind them.

On the contrary, you can google a sound, Jewish-based, refutation of any of the common hate-claims. Or I can do it. Or any of the Jewish-learned members of this board can do it. But the response to that sound, Jewish-based, refutation is universally, "oh, you are just saying that, its not REALLY what Jews believe". (As though YOU not only have a right to decide what Jews believe, but somehow have this magic ability to determine what Jews really believe).

You see hate because you want to see hate. Because you've been conditioned to see hate.

And he asked if there was anything "good" in the Talmud and I responded with some examples.

If the Bible was questioned as hateful, would you fight with such vigor?

 

[Indeependent]

You haven't read the Talmud. You read some English hate-site which plucked out portions with which to demonize Jews.

I've invited Jews here to share the non-hate side of the Talmud. The Jews couldn't do it.

And I requested numerous times that you post some "hate" for discussion...you just couldn't do it.

 

[Indeependent]

So, they are putting forward portions of the Talmud?

They are deliberately misreading, misunderstanding, misrepresenting Talmud and Jewish thought in order to shore up, support and spread toxic and irrational hatred of Jews.

Well, he's right, none of these Talmud experts ever refute the quotes, because there's got to be a lot of truth behind them.

Be specific and list the quotes.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Well, he's right, none of these Talmud experts ever refute the quotes, because there's got to be a lot of truth behind them.

On the contrary, you can google a sound, Jewish-based, refutation of any of the common hate-claims. Or I can do it. Or any of the Jewish-learned members of this board can do it. But the response to that sound, Jewish-based, refutation is universally, "oh, you are just saying that, its not REALLY what Jews believe". (As though YOU not only have a right to decide what Jews believe, but somehow have this magic ability to determine what Jews really believe).

You see hate because you want to see hate. Because you've been conditioned to see hate.

And he asked if there was anything "good" in the Talmud and I responded with some examples.

Wikipedia sure does a shit job of refuting the Talmud Unmasked.

The Talmud Unmasked - Wikipedia

I don't think there is much to refute.

I don't really doubt it, either.

Because Jews resisting Christianity, probably did write anti-Christian texts to keep Jews, as Jews.

 

[Shusha]

You're either a liar or very ignorant. Those are misquotes. The Talmud is all hate. There's a reason neither you nor the website you linked to tells which chapter those quotes are from, much less with translation they come from.

SobieskiSavedEurope

See what I mean? The Talmud doesn't REALLY say that!

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

You're either a liar or very ignorant. Those are misquotes. The Talmud is all hate. There's a reason neither you nor the website you linked to tells which chapter those quotes are from, much less with translation they come from.

SobieskiSavedEurope

See what I mean? The Talmud doesn't REALLY say that!

You already admitted that the so called anti-Semites, are quoting portions of the Talmud, but supposedly out of context.

Well, so that sure sounds like there are nasty portions of the Talmud to me.

 

[Indeependent]

Well, he's right, none of these Talmud experts ever refute the quotes, because there's got to be a lot of truth behind them.

On the contrary, you can google a sound, Jewish-based, refutation of any of the common hate-claims. Or I can do it. Or any of the Jewish-learned members of this board can do it. But the response to that sound, Jewish-based, refutation is universally, "oh, you are just saying that, its not REALLY what Jews believe". (As though YOU not only have a right to decide what Jews believe, but somehow have this magic ability to determine what Jews really believe).

You see hate because you want to see hate. Because you've been conditioned to see hate.

And he asked if there was anything "good" in the Talmud and I responded with some examples.

Wikipedia sure does a shit job of refuting the Talmud Unmasked.

The Talmud Unmasked - Wikipedia

I don't think there is much to refute.

I don't really doubt it, either.

Because Jews resisting Christianity, probably did write anti-Christian texts to keep Jews, as Jews.

100% of the arguments against the NT are the mistranslations of words or taking a verse out of context.
But you already knew that.

 

[Shusha]

If the Bible was questioned as hateful, would you fight with such vigor?

You are asking the wrong question. If there was anti-Christian or anti-Kurdish or whatever which was as global and as powerful and as inherent as antisemitism -- I would fight with such vigor. There isn't. There just isn't. This board is infected with antisemitism. The world is infected with antisemitism. You are part of that.

 

[Shusha]

You're either a liar or very ignorant. Those are misquotes. The Talmud is all hate. There's a reason neither you nor the website you linked to tells which chapter those quotes are from, much less with translation they come from.

SobieskiSavedEurope

See what I mean? The Talmud doesn't REALLY say that!

You already admitted that the so called anti-Semites, are quoting portions of the Talmud, but supposedly out of context.

Well, so that sure sounds like there are nasty portions of the Talmud to me.

What I said was that Talmud is misread, misunderstood, and misrepresented. The "nasty" portions are intentionally made nasty by the pre-conception of hate coming into them.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

If the Bible was questioned as hateful, would you fight with such vigor?

You are asking the wrong question. If there was anti-Christian or anti-Rohyina or whatever which was as global and as powerful and as inherent as antisemitism -- I would fight with such vigor. There isn't. There just isn't. This board is infected with antisemitism. The world is infected with antisemitism. You are part of that.

So, you are admitting to being biased, and unfair?
Thus far we've had a bunch of Zionists here, suggesting that Jews deserve more rights, than others.
No wonder why no one likes these pricks.

There's also a lot of anti-Polish propaganda floating around, and in most cases Jews are at the forefront of this.

Why should I like f'in Jews?

Oh, Poland accepted Jewish refugees, granted them the first Jewish civil rights the Statute of Kalisz, warned the World about the Holocaust with Jan Karski, and had Zegota the only WW2 organization dedicated to saving Jews only.

Yet, the rat faced f'ers, want to start a culture war with Polish people?
They got one with me.

Don't expect me to like these slimy rats.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

You're either a liar or very ignorant. Those are misquotes. The Talmud is all hate. There's a reason neither you nor the website you linked to tells which chapter those quotes are from, much less with translation they come from.

SobieskiSavedEurope

See what I mean? The Talmud doesn't REALLY say that!

You already admitted that the so called anti-Semites, are quoting portions of the Talmud, but supposedly out of context.

Well, so that sure sounds like there are nasty portions of the Talmud to me.

What I said was that Talmud is misread, misunderstood, and misrepresented. The "nasty" portions are intentionally made nasty by the pre-conception of hate coming into them.

Oh, okay we're head cases for thinking the Talmud is nasty, for saying Jesus is boiling in the Jewish Hell in excrement.

 

[Shusha]

So, you are admitting to being biased, and unfair?

Wow. I'm admitting that I would fight as vigorously if the conditions were the same. They are not.

Thus far we've had a bunch of Zionists here, suggesting that Jews deserve more rights, than others.

No. Jews want equal rights.

 

[rylah]

If the Bible was questioned as hateful, would you fight with such vigor?

You are asking the wrong question. If there was anti-Christian or anti-Rohyina or whatever which was as global and as powerful and as inherent as antisemitism -- I would fight with such vigor. There isn't. There just isn't. This board is infected with antisemitism. The world is infected with antisemitism. You are part of that.

So, you are admitting to being biased, and unfair?
Thus far we've had a bunch of Zionists here, suggesting that Jews deserve more rights, than others.
No wonder why no one likes these pricks.

There's also a lot of anti-Polish propaganda floating around, and in most cases Jews are at the forefront of this.

Why should I like f'in Jews?

Oh, Poland accepted Jewish refugees, granted them the first Jewish civil rights the Statute of Kalisz, warned the World about the Holocaust with Jan Karski, and had Zegota the only WW2 organization dedicated to saving Jews only.

Yet, the rat faced f'ers, want to start a culture war with Polish people?
They got one with me.

Don't expect me to like these slimy rats.

Wow! Just Wow.
The best explanation to "why Israel"

Winner.

 

[BulletProof]

Whoever destroys a single life is as guilty as though he had destroyed the entire world and whoever rescues a single life earns as much merit as though he had rescued the entire world.

Jesus was right when he said Jews were children of the devil, who when lying is speaking his native language. Here's a translation from Google Translate, rather than risk any bias from my own, or anyone else's, translation, of the relevant verse from an authentic Hebrew-language copy of the Talmud:

Sanhedrin 37a: Therefore, a single person was created to teach you that whoever loses one soul from Israel, the scriptures make it seem as if he has lost a whole world, and whoever sustains one soul from Israel

Notice, the devil's children leaves out "from Israel" when telling us what the Talmud says. Jews hate gentiles. The Talmud hates gentiles. The verse is only concerned about the lives of Jews. This verse really means that Jews would prefer every gentile on the planet die instead of even just one Jew.