Why low income whites usually vote for Trump

[Hector12]

Anything that kills communists is a success story.

Anything.

anything

communists aren't human, they are vermin

Thoe on the right do not want the US government to tell them what to do, but they think the US government has the right to tell people in other countries which of their government are acceptable to us, and which ones are not. A case in point is Vietnam.

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This page from President Eisenhower's Memoires, Mandate for Change, page 372, shows that he believed Ho Chi Minh would have won any free election in Vietnam in 1954. This is certainly why the U.S. did not permit such an election, though the Geneva Convention of 1954 required it....

I have never talked or corresponded with a person knowledgeable in Indochinese affairs who did not agree that had elections been held as of the time of the fighting, possibly 80 per cent of the populations would have voted for the Communist Ho Chi Minh as their leader

Selection from Eisenhower's Memoires

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The United States pretended to be defending democracy in Vietnam. It is difficult to defend democracy when the enemy could have won a fair election by a blowout.

By the way, I have known card carrying members of the Communist Party. I have always liked them. They disagreed with me on many issues, but they disagreed while being agreeable.

CPUSA Program (2019)

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[Hector12]

Yep, been saying this for years. My wife and her family are from a former Communist country. They steer very clear of all Democratic policies because they can see the writing on the wall. Democrats in the US are too spoiled to know just how good they have it and they fall for all this Socialism nonsense.

Share of adults in the United States who have a positive view of socialism from 2010 to 2021, by party affiliation

Level of support for socialism by party affiliation U.S. 2000-2021​

Published by
Abigail Tierney,
Jul 5, 2024
The popularity of socialism in the United States has been increasing among people who identify as Democrats, rising from 50 percent in 2010 to 65 percent in 2021.

Support for socialism by party U.S. 2025| Statista

As of 2025, the popularity of socialism in the United States has been increasing among people who identify as Democrats, rising from 50 percent in 2010 to 66 percent.

www.statista.com

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CATO Institute​

Socialism Is Legitimately Popular​

A big driver seems to be young people’s resentment of the rich.
February 4, 2020

For decades, the word “socialist” was treated more as a smear than as a viable stance in national politics. Then, the remarkable popularity of Bernie Sanders and his “democratic socialism” among young people in the 2016 primary shocked many observers. Poll after poll since then has confirmed this new reality. Gallup, for instance, recently found that half of millennials and members of Gen Z have a favorable view of “socialism,” compared with a third of Baby Boomers.

A big driver seems to be young people’s resentment of the rich: National surveys Cato has conducted with YouGov show that young people are 20 to 30 percentage points more likely than older people to believe the rich gained their wealth by taking advantage of people....

It’s clear that inveighing against the rich, as Sanders and Elizabeth Warren have done in the Democratic primary, resonates with young people.

https://www.cato.org/commentary/socialism-legitimately-popular

As young people face declining opportunities, they notice that the rich are getting richer.

 

[Hector12]

Given the highly aggressive nature of the Soviet Union (Poland 1939, Finland 1940, Hungary 1956, Czechoslovakia 1968), that would not have been a sensible conclusion.

Without the American Shield the Soviets would have been at The Channel within a few years following 1945.

What they DID do was to realize that the American Shield - already defending much of Europe - would have been de facto held over them as well in the event of a Soviet attack, and therefore decided to pretend to a neutrality that kept military spending down while leaning on the US and their European neighbors for defense if-and-when the time ever came. Benefits without paying for them.

When I was in high school, I learned about Winston Churchill's "Iron Curtain Speech." It was not until I got to college that I learned about Joesph Stalin's response:

Stalin on Churchill’s Iron Curtain Speech​

Iosif Stalin, Interview on Churchill’s Iron Curtain Speech. March 14, 1946​

Towards the middle of March, 1946, a Pravda correspondent requested Stalin to clarify a number of questions connected with Churchill’s speech at Fulton, MO. Below are Stalin’s replies to the correspondent’s questions.

Original Source: Pravda, 14 March 1946.

The Germans launched the invasion of the USSR through Finland, Poland, Rumania, Bulgaria, and Hungary. The Germans were able to launch the invasion through these countries because in these countries there were then governments that were hostile to the USSR. As the result of the German invasion the Soviet Union has lost about seven million persons forever in battle with the Germans and, also thanks to German occupation, in the carrying off of Soviet people into German forced labor. Needless to say, the Soviet Union lost several times more people than England and the United States of America put together. Possibly there is an inclination in some places to consign to oblivion these colossal sacrifices of the Soviet people, which secured the liberation of Europe from the Hitler yoke. But the Soviet Union cannot forget them. It may be asked what can be surprising about the Soviet Union wanting security in the future, about its attempts to see to it that in these countries there are governments that have loyal relations with he Soviet Union? Is it possible, without taking leave of one’s senses, to characterize these peaceful efforts of the Soviet Union as expansionist tendencies of our state? …

Stalin on Churchill’s Iron Curtain Speech

Iosif Stalin, Interview on Churchill’s Iron Curtain Speech. March 14, 1946 Towards the middle of March, 1946, a Pravda correspondent requested Stalin to clarify a number of questions c…

soviethistory.msu.edu

 

[Kondor3]

When I was in high school, I learned about Winston Churchill's "Iron Curtain Speech." It was not until I got to college that I learned about Joesph Stalin's response:

Stalin on Churchill’s Iron Curtain Speech​

Iosif Stalin, Interview on Churchill’s Iron Curtain Speech. March 14, 1946​

Towards the middle of March, 1946, a Pravda correspondent requested Stalin to clarify a number of questions connected with Churchill’s speech at Fulton, MO. Below are Stalin’s replies to the correspondent’s questions.

Original Source: Pravda, 14 March 1946.

The Germans launched the invasion of the USSR through Finland, Poland, Rumania, Bulgaria, and Hungary. The Germans were able to launch the invasion through these countries because in these countries there were then governments that were hostile to the USSR. As the result of the German invasion the Soviet Union has lost about seven million persons forever in battle with the Germans and, also thanks to German occupation, in the carrying off of Soviet people into German forced labor. Needless to say, the Soviet Union lost several times more people than England and the United States of America put together. Possibly there is an inclination in some places to consign to oblivion these colossal sacrifices of the Soviet people, which secured the liberation of Europe from the Hitler yoke. But the Soviet Union cannot forget them. It may be asked what can be surprising about the Soviet Union wanting security in the future, about its attempts to see to it that in these countries there are governments that have loyal relations with he Soviet Union? Is it possible, without taking leave of one’s senses, to characterize these peaceful efforts of the Soviet Union as expansionist tendencies of our state? …

Stalin on Churchill’s Iron Curtain Speech

Iosif Stalin, Interview on Churchill’s Iron Curtain Speech. March 14, 1946 Towards the middle of March, 1946, a Pravda correspondent requested Stalin to clarify a number of questions c…

soviethistory.msu.edu

All this overlooks the fact that the Soviet Union jointly invaded Poland alongside Nazi Germany.

All this overlooks the fact that the Soviet Union forcibly occupied those lands which did not want them - for decades.

 

[BluesLegend]

Dems seriously can't come to grips with losing. Perplexed, discombobulated why America REJECTED them Democrats constantly seek some convoluted reason why they lost to help them feel better poor things.

Dems grab some tissue and have yourself a good cry. We'll be laughing and winning!

 

[Kondor3]

Dems seriously can't come to grips with losing. Perplexed, discombobulated why America REJECTED them Democrats constantly seek some convoluted reason why they lost to help them feel better poor things.

Dems grab some tissue and have yourself a good cry. We'll be laughing and winning!

They lack the intellectual- and self-honesty to take a long hard look in the mirror and to change their policy platform-planks.

 

[DonGlock26]

The last time Donald Trump was president, he travelled to Youngstown, Ohio, among the most depressed of America’s rust belt cities, and promised voters the impossible.

The high-paying steel, railroad and car industry jobs that once made Youngstown a hard-living, hard-drinking blue-collar boom town were coming back, he said. “Don’t move. Don’t sell your house,” he crowed to a rapturous crowd in 2017. “We’re going to fill up those factories – or rip ”em down and build brand new ones”.

None of that happened. Indeed, within 18 months, General Motors (GM) announced that it was suspending operations at its one remaining manufacturing plant outside Youngstown, throwing 5,000 jobs into jeopardy in a community with little else to cling to. Trump’s reaction was to say the closure didn’t matter, because the jobs would be replaced “in, like, two minutes”.

That, too, did not happen. People moved away, marriages broke down, depression soared and, locals say, a handful of people took their own lives.

Ordinarily, politicians who promise the moon and fail to deliver get punished at the ballot box. But that did not happen to Trump either. Instead, he has steadily built up his popularity in Youngstown, a city that was once a well-oiled Democratic party machine but has now turned into one of his most remarkable bases of working-class support.

“Does [Trump] understand at all what you’re going through?” Joe Biden asked Ohio voters during the 2020 presidential campaign, referring directly to the GM closure. “Does he see you where you are and where you want to be? Does he care?”

To which the answer, in Youngstown, has been an astonishing and vigorous “yes”.

‘There are a lot of bitter people here, I’m one of them’: rust belt voters on why they backed Trump again despite his broken promises | Donald Trump | The Guardian

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Arthur Jensen gave this interview to Jared Taylor in 1992. It is still as timely and relevant as the day it was recorded.

people have been taught from early childhood — and it’s especially true of better-educated people — that all people are essentially the same, except for very superficial differences due to their social background and advantages in upbringing and so forth…

Once you get below IQs of 80 or 75, which is the cut-off for mental retardation in the California School System, children are put into special classes. These persons are not really educable up to a level for which there’s any economic demand.

A Conversation with Arthur Jensen - American Renaissance

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Professor Jensen is mainly known for his writing about racial differences in average intelligence. What he has to say about IQs below 80 or 75 is equally true of the poorly educated whites Trump pretends to love, and who do love him.

As long as there were strong unions for factory workers, and plenty of factory jobs, white men with low IQs who could tolerate boredom for eight hours a day could earn reasonably good incomes. This is not true any more, as the following graph illustrates.

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Trump tells unemployed factory workers lies to give them hope of getting factory jobs. When they do not get factory jobs, he gives them people to hate.

Exclusive | Blue-collar wage growth under Trump sees largest increase in nearly 60 years, Treasury sec reveals on Pod Force One

“We’ve seen real wages for hourly workers, non-supervisory workers, rise almost 2% in the first five months,” Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent revealed on the latest episode of “P…

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[DonGlock26]

Most of the people I've met, both black and white, who are Democrats are low income.

Gimmedats.

 

[BluesLegend]

They lack the intellectual- and self-honesty to take a long hard look in the mirror and to change their policy platform-planks.

Or they are F'ing retards.

 

[OODA_Loop]

My sense is alienation of "lower income whites" via the Democrats favoritism and fervency over the plight of illegal aliens and the extreme outliers of societal norms,...transgender, etc has a lot to do with it.

That combined with the Democrats belief there is no political upside to be gained by pandering to poor ignorant white folk.

 

[Lisa558]

Low-income whites (otherwise known as the working class) vote for Trump because:

a) they know the disdain the leftists have for them, calling them everything from “trailer trash” to “morons in flyover country,” while they see….

b) the same leftists who mock hard-working Americans defend illegal aliens as “decent people who just want a chance,” while these same illegal aliens,,,,

c) drive up rents, lower property values, and ruin the caliber of the public schools in working class neighborhoods in which they settle

 

[Hector12]

All this overlooks the fact that the Soviet Union jointly invaded Poland alongside Nazi Germany.

All this overlooks the fact that the Soviet Union forcibly occupied those lands which did not want them - for decades.

At the Munich Conference of 1938 Stalin said that the Soviet Union would fight Germany to defend the independence of Czechoslovakia, but only if Great Britain and France also fought Germany. When Great Britain and France appeased Germany, Stalin did what he thought was necessary to slow a German invasion of the Soviet Union.

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Germany has an annual increase of almost 900,000 souls. The difficulty of feeding this army of new citizens would become greater with every year, and was bound someday to end in a catastrophe, provided ways and means were not found to avert this impending danger of hunger-pauperization in time...

The acquisition of new land and soil for the settling of the superfluous population has no end of advantages...

If one wanted land and soil in Europe, then by and large this could only have been done at Russia's expense.

- Adolf Hitler, from Mein Kampf, Volume I, Chapter IV, "Munich"

 

[Hector12]

Low-income whites (otherwise known as the working class) vote for Trump because:

a) they know the disdain the leftists have for them, calling them everything from “trailer trash” to “morons in flyover country,” while they see….

b) the same leftists who mock hard-working Americans defend illegal aliens as “decent people who just want a chance,” while these same illegal aliens,,,,

c) drive up rents, lower property values, and ruin the caliber of the public schools in working class neighborhoods in which they settle

 

[Lisa558]

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And thanks for proving my point about the leftists mocking the working class.

 

[Moonglow]

Joe Biden called working class Americans "garbage".

No he did not..He said that MAGATs were garbage.

And just the other day, a speaker at [Trump’s] rally called Puerto Rico a ‘floating island of garbage.’ Well, let me tell you something. I don’t — I — I don’t know the Puerto Rican that — that I know — or a Puerto Rico, where I’m fr— in my home state of Delaware, they’re good, decent, honorable people.The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporter’s — his — his demonization of Latinos is unconscionable, and it’s un-American. It’s totally contrary to everything we’ve done, everything we’ve been.

The big lie behind Biden’s “garbage” gaffe scandal

Only one presidential candidate is pledging to treat Americans who vote against him as enemies.

www.vox.com

 

[Moonglow]

And thanks for proving my point about the leftists mocking the working class.

Now we know which trailer park you live in.

 

[Kondor3]

At the Munich Conference of 1938 Stalin said that the Soviet Union would fight Germany to defend the independence of Czechoslovakia, but only if Great Britain and France also fought Germany. When Great Britain and France appeased Germany, Stalin did what he thought was necessary to slow a German invasion of the Soviet Union...

So... he invaded Poland, massacred the Polish Officer Corp and Polish intelligentsia numbering 20,000 or more at Katyn, helped inflict 800,000+ military casualties on Poland, helped inflict 200,000+ civilian Polish casualties, and occupied a large chunk of Poland against its will... all because he thought it was best for the Soviet Union? Got it...

Retaking the Baltic Countries and Poland and the rest of Eastern Europe to recreate that buffer against NATO is ALSO in Russia's "best interests", so... that's OK, too, eh? They're perfectly trustworthy otherwise. Got it...

I mean... if Ukraine lays down its arms and trusts the Russian Federation and Vladimir Putin to "do right by them" and NATO sits still for it, well... that's OK too... I mean... the EU doesn't care if it comes-off looking like the gullible Neville Chamberlain, right?

Not.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

How can you tell when you are in a Democrat area?

 

[Hector12]

So... he invaded Poland, massacred the Polish Officer Corp and Polish intelligentsia numbering 20,000 or more at Katyn, helped inflict 800,000+ military casualties on Poland, helped inflict 200,000+ civilian Polish casualties, and occupied a large chunk of Poland against its will... all because he thought it was best for the Soviet Union? Got it...

Retaking the Baltic Countries and Poland and the rest of Eastern Europe to recreate that buffer against NATO is ALSO in Russia's "best interests", so... that's OK, too, eh? They're perfectly trustworthy otherwise. Got it...

I mean... if Ukraine lays down its arms and trusts the Russian Federation and Vladimir Putin to "do right by them" and NATO sits still for it, well... that's OK too... I mean... the EU doesn't care if it comes-off looking like the gullible Neville Chamberlain, right?

Not.

I am not justifying Stalin's behavior. I am explaining it in ways too indicate that it does not mean that Stalin wanted to conquer all of Europe.

 

[Lisa558]

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And here are the areas where people vote for Democrats:

Beautiful NYC…..

And here is lovely St. Louis to the left….and wonderful NY below

And this is where the Democrat brain surgeons live in Detroit!

And finally, Washington DC!