Why low income whites usually vote for Trump

[sartre play]

What is real? to many from both party's work for party, them self's and their donners.
We need to demand that both party's work for the majority of the population.
Stop letting them work for THEIR own interests. Demand not words but actions.
And eggs and gas just is not enough.
AND Democrat's doing some work on cleaning up there own mess.

 

[hadit]

Wifey can stay home with the kids and run a home-based business. Problem solved.

IOW, she has to generate income, which is the point.

 

[Hafar1014]

The last time Donald Trump was president, he travelled to Youngstown, Ohio, among the most depressed of America’s rust belt cities, and promised voters the impossible.

The high-paying steel, railroad and car industry jobs that once made Youngstown a hard-living, hard-drinking blue-collar boom town were coming back, he said. “Don’t move. Don’t sell your house,” he crowed to a rapturous crowd in 2017. “We’re going to fill up those factories – or rip ”em down and build brand new ones”.

None of that happened. Indeed, within 18 months, General Motors (GM) announced that it was suspending operations at its one remaining manufacturing plant outside Youngstown, throwing 5,000 jobs into jeopardy in a community with little else to cling to. Trump’s reaction was to say the closure didn’t matter, because the jobs would be replaced “in, like, two minutes”.

That, too, did not happen. People moved away, marriages broke down, depression soared and, locals say, a handful of people took their own lives.

Ordinarily, politicians who promise the moon and fail to deliver get punished at the ballot box. But that did not happen to Trump either. Instead, he has steadily built up his popularity in Youngstown, a city that was once a well-oiled Democratic party machine but has now turned into one of his most remarkable bases of working-class support.

“Does [Trump] understand at all what you’re going through?” Joe Biden asked Ohio voters during the 2020 presidential campaign, referring directly to the GM closure. “Does he see you where you are and where you want to be? Does he care?”

To which the answer, in Youngstown, has been an astonishing and vigorous “yes”.

‘There are a lot of bitter people here, I’m one of them’: rust belt voters on why they backed Trump again despite his broken promises | Donald Trump | The Guardian

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Arthur Jensen gave this interview to Jared Taylor in 1992. It is still as timely and relevant as the day it was recorded.

people have been taught from early childhood — and it’s especially true of better-educated people — that all people are essentially the same, except for very superficial differences due to their social background and advantages in upbringing and so forth…

Once you get below IQs of 80 or 75, which is the cut-off for mental retardation in the California School System, children are put into special classes. These persons are not really educable up to a level for which there’s any economic demand.

A Conversation with Arthur Jensen - American Renaissance

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Professor Jensen is mainly known for his writing about racial differences in average intelligence. What he has to say about IQs below 80 or 75 is equally true of the poorly educated whites Trump pretends to love, and who do love him.

As long as there were strong unions for factory workers, and plenty of factory jobs, white men with low IQs who could tolerate boredom for eight hours a day could earn reasonably good incomes. This is not true any more, as the following graph illustrates.

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Trump tells unemployed factory workers lies to give them hope of getting factory jobs. When they do not get factory jobs, he gives them people to hate.

Your chart is out of date and wages increase when Trump is president. Wages dropped thanks to illegal workers and Bidens inflation killed their affordability. They vote for Trump because they do better when he runs the economy

 

[citygator]

You chart is out of date and wages increase when Trump is president. Wages dropped thanks to illegal workers and Bidens inflation killed their affordability. They vote for Rump because they do better when he runs the economy

that's not true

 

[Hafar1014]

Businessmen rarely are elected because they live in a semi feudal environment. They are not used to being criticized from below.

The more education one has, and presumably the more intelligence one has, the more likely one is to vote Democrat.

Support for democrats is emotional not intelligent. The universitas are indoctrination mills for the left. Democrats are often experiencing anxiety and depression especially the women. Emotions determine how intelligence is applied.

 

[Hafar1014]

that's not true

Yes it is illegals dropped wages and increased rents. Biden increased the cost of everything. Trump reversed that

 

[Anathema]

Fairly certain that domestic automation was a more significant factor. There was a time, not so long ago, that “women’s work” consisted of laboring from dawn to well after dusk to care for a household.

When automated appliances and pre-fabricated meals brought that down to a few hours.

There was no way that THIS was going to become a permanent thing.

Really? It’s how both of my pairs of grandparents and their siblings lived their lives until the end, and it’s pretty close to how my parents and a large percentage of my aunts/uncles have lived their lives. Not entirely in the 1950’s mold, but far closer to it than to the modern dual-income, latch-key children model that became so common by the 1980s.

 

[Lisa558]

IOW, she has to generate income, which is the point.

The problem is that the level of what is considered middle class has gone way up, and the wife needs to work in order to afford that.

In past generations, middle class was a modest house with one bathroom, where kids shared bedrooms. There was no eating in restaurants other than special celebrations, and vacations were visiting grandparents - and maybe a week’s rental in a small beach apartment 6 blocks from the shoreline. There was one TV. One car.

Now, middle class is a house with a bedroom for each kid, plus a guest room, and three bathrooms. Dining out in steakhouses or seafood places at least weekly. Vacations are two weeks in a luxury rental on the beach in the summer, and a one-week winter vacation to Vail or Disneyworld. Every kid has a TV in his room, plus his own IPad, plus his own iPhone.

The wife needs to work in order to afford all that.

 

[Anathema]

The problem is that the level of what is considered middle class has gone way up, and the wife needs to work in order to afford that.

In past generations, middle class was a modest house with one bathroom, where kids shared bedrooms. There was no eating in restaurants other than special celebrations, and vacations were visiting grandparents - and maybe a week’s rental in a small beach apartment 6 blocks from the shoreline. There was one TV. One car.

Now, middle class is a house with a bedroom for each kid, plus a guest room, and three bathrooms. Dining out in steakhouses or seafood places at least weekly. Vacations are two weeks in a luxury rental on the beach in the summer, and a one-week winter vacation to Vail or Disneyworld. Every kid has a TV in his room, plus his own IPad, plus his own iPhone.

The wife needs to work in order to afford all that.

OR, you do what my wife and I do annd live by the older expectations rather than the new ones.

Before we moved into our current multi-generational home we had one tv, one car, ate at home at least 5-6 nights a week and rarely made major purchases. We would love to still be able to do that but issues in her family no longer allow it.

 

[hadit]

The problem is that the level of what is considered middle class has gone way up, and the wife needs to work in order to afford that.

In past generations, middle class was a modest house with one bathroom, where kids shared bedrooms. There was no eating in restaurants other than special celebrations, and vacations were visiting grandparents - and maybe a week’s rental in a small beach apartment 6 blocks from the shoreline. There was one TV. One car.

Now, middle class is a house with a bedroom for each kid, plus a guest room, and three bathrooms. Dining out in steakhouses or seafood places at least weekly. Vacations are two weeks in a luxury rental on the beach in the summer, and a one-week winter vacation to Vail or Disneyworld. Every kid has a TV in his room, plus his own IPad, plus his own iPhone.

The wife needs to work in order to afford all that.

Don't forget that taxes have also skyrocketed. Add in a second car so wife can work, daycare so wife can work, additional wardrobe so wife can work, and it all adds up.

 

[Woodznutz]

IOW, she has to generate income, which is the point.

When the cost of daycare is considered, she doesn't have to bring in very much.

 

[Correll]

The problem is that the level of what is considered middle class has gone way up, and the wife needs to work in order to afford that.

In past generations, middle class was a modest house with one bathroom, where kids shared bedrooms. There was no eating in restaurants other than special celebrations, and vacations were visiting grandparents - and maybe a week’s rental in a small beach apartment 6 blocks from the shoreline. There was one TV. One car.

Now, middle class is a house with a bedroom for each kid, plus a guest room, and three bathrooms. Dining out in steakhouses or seafood places at least weekly. Vacations are two weeks in a luxury rental on the beach in the summer, and a one-week winter vacation to Vail or Disneyworld. Every kid has a TV in his room, plus his own IPad, plus his own iPhone.

The wife needs to work in order to afford all that.

While that is all true, the impact of wage stagnation is also real.


We need to increase wages and decrease costs. One way or another, to make it possible for one parent to stay home, for at least the first 5 years.

 

[Lisa558]

OR, you do what my wife and I do annd live by the older expectations rather than the new ones.

Before we moved into our current multi-generational home we had one tv, one car, ate at home at least 5-6 nights a week and rarely made major purchases. We would love to still be able to do that but issues in her family no longer allow it.

Exactly!

A youngish casual friend of mine (early 30s) with two young kids owned a 3-bedroom townhouse, and stayed home with them while her husband worked, She told me that they really wanted to buy a 4-bedroom single family house, but in order to do that, she’d have to go back to work.

So she had a choice: they could keep the townhouse (each kid had their own room), allowing her to stay at home with them, or….she could go back to work and have after-school daycare, and buy the SFH.

She chose to go back to work. Her choice. (And to what degree her husband encouraged that choice, I don’t know.)

 

[Hafar1014]

While that is all true, the impact of wage stagnation is also real.


We need to increase wages and decrease costs. One way or another, to make it possible for one parent to stay home, for at least the first 5 years.

Wages have increased under Trump taxes have been cut. We need to lower the cost of daycare

 

[Lisa558]

While that is all true, the impact of wage stagnation is also real.


We need to increase wages and decrease costs. One way or another, to make it possible for one parent to stay home, for at least the first 5 years.

Or, just settle on the fact that the family will live in a small house or townhouse for the first five years.

My parents’ first house was a 1200 sf house with one bathroom and 3 small bedrooms. I didn’t feel deprived at all, and neither did they. We were firmly middle-class. (It wasn’t until I was 13 that my parents bought a bigger house,)

 

[Correll]

Or, just settle on the fact that the family will live in a small house or townhouse for the first five years.

My parents’ first house was a 1200 sf house with one bathroom and 3 small bedrooms. I didn’t feel deprived at all, and neither did they. We were firmly middle-class. (It wasn’t until I was 13 that my parents bought a bigger house,)

OR, do both.

 

[norwegen]

I think it is foolish for low income people to vote for Trump. Low income people do not benefit from tax cuts for the rich. They would benefit from socialized medicine, and better pensions from Social Security. They rarely have health benefits and pension programs at work. They cannot afford to pay for them out of their slender pay checks.

Do tax cuts for the rich negatively impact low-income earners?

 

[Hafar1014]

Do tax cuts for the rich negatively impact low-income earners?

No it creats jobs for them

 

[Mr Natural]

Low income = not very bright.

 

[Hafar1014]

Low income = not very bright.

Or entry level