Why is the USA defending UKRAINE?

[Rigby5]

Ummm...retard? Ukraine was part of the USSR during Hitler. They are a whole new country now, too.

And is it any wonder they sided with Hitler after Stalin tried to starve them all to death?

Jesus, you just keep digging yourself deeper and deeper!

Wrong.
The starvation of Lysenkoism was not at all deliberate on the part of Stalin, but was due to Stalin believing the cons of Lysenko.
Nothing was gained for the USSR by Lysenkoism.
It was just for the personal gain by Lysenko.
It was a disaster for the USSR.

And no, Gorbachov voluntarily ended the USSR and completely wiped it out in Russia.
The Ukraine was always corrupt and still is.
It has not changed at all.

 

[22lcidw]

Nonsense.
The Russians always prized the universities of the Ukraine.
It is the aristocratic corruption of the Ukraine that is at fault.
The Ukraine agreed to not seek any alliances with NATO, which is the sworn enemy of Russia.

There is more to Ukraine then what is told. And there may be elite or important Westerners with their fingers in the swill over there. Look how fast the narrative went to Pro Ukraine. Heartfelt propaganda stories of resistance to an invasion that really is not as destructive heavy as it could be yet. The only issue is that the peasants wherever these things happen get affected.

 

[g5000]

Wrong.
The starvation of Lysenkoism was not at all deliberate on the part of Stalin, but was due to Stalin believing the cons of Lysenko.
Nothing was gained for the USSR by Lysenkoism.
It was just for the personal gain by Lysenko.
It was a disaster for the USSR.

And no, Gorbachov voluntarily ended the USSR and completely wiped it out in Russia.
The Ukraine was always corrupt and still is.
It has not changed at all.

Where's that treaty you said Ukraine is violating, piss drinker?

 

[g5000]

The Ukraine was always corrupt and still is.
It has not changed at all.

And Russia is virginal. We get it, comrade.

 

[Rigby5]

Wow. Blaming the victim. You really are deep up Putin's ass, aren't you.

PUTIN: Give me pieces of your country or I invade.

UKRAINE: Fuck off.

RIGBY5: The invasion is Ukraine's fault!

The Crimea and Donetsk are NOT ethically or historically Ukrainian.
They are ethically and historically Russian, and had been over 1000 years, until Khrushchev gave them to the Ukraine in some secret 1955 deal.

{...

The delivery of the region from the Russian SSR to the Ukrainian SSR was just a formality during the years of the “indestructible” Soviet Union. Ukraine received such a gift on the occasion of the 300th anniversary since its unification with Russia. It could never occur to anyone back in those days that the USSR would collapse, and that Ukraine would no longer be a part of it.

Historians have a very simple explanation to Nikita Khrushchev’s generosity. He came to power after the death of Joseph Stalin, unmasked his cult and condemned repressions. However, Khrushchev was involved in a number of repression-related affairs before. He was conducting a struggle against “people’s enemies” when he served as the First Secretary of the Central Committee of the Ukrainian Communist Party from 1938 to 1947 to win the support of the Ukrainian leadership. That is why he gave the resort peninsula on the Black Sea coast to the republic.

Khrushchev informed his comrades of the decision to deliver Crimea to Ukraine incidentally, on the way to lunch. “Yes, comrades, there is an opinion to deliver Crimea to Ukraine,” he said casually. No one dared to express any protests, because a word of the first face of the Communist Party was law.​

...}

Читайте больше на USSR's Nikita Khrushchev gave Russia’s Crimea away to Ukraine in only 15 minutes

So then YES, the invasion was totally the fault of the Ukraine, and had to be intentional.

 

[Rigby5]

And Russia is virginal. We get it, comrade.

Russia allowed the independence of these other countries, which is proof of integrity.
The Ukraine only has theft of oil on their record, which is proof of criminality.

 

[JLW]

Nonsense.
The Russians always prized the universities of the Ukraine.
It is the aristocratic corruption of the Ukraine that is at fault.
The Ukraine agreed to not seek any alliances with NATO, which is the sworn enemy of Russia.

No nation is more corrupt that Russia. Putin himself is worth over $200,000,000,000.00 dollars. How do you think that Putin made that money?He stole it from his nation that is how. How about his oligarch friends? You know the ones with the 70 million dollar yachts.

No worries though because the Russian people live off of about 40,000 rubles a month, roughly $350.00 dollars a month. On that Pay the average Russian will not be able buy a decent piece of bread soon.

 

[g5000]

Wrong.
The Ukraine is totally and completely corrupt, not only censoring, imprisoning, and murdering, but stealing oil, attempting to join NATO, etc.
All of which are treaty violations sufficient to justify war.

Here is why this piss drinking useful idiot is dodging and weaving about this hoax about a treaty banning Ukraine from joining NATO. Because it is a myth. A hoax. A lie. Russian propaganda.

TWQ: The Myth of a No-NATO-Enlargement Pledge to Russia - Spring 2009

www.csis.org

 

[g5000]

Did NATO Promise Not to Enlarge? Gorbachev Says "No" | Brookings

Russian President Vladimir Putin has made it well known his antipathy towards NATO, claiming the Alliance took advantage of Russian weakness after the collapse of the Soviet Union in violation of promises allegedly made to Moscow by Western leaders. Steven Pifer argues that no such promises were...

www.brookings.edu

What the Germans, Americans, British and French did agree to in 1990 was that there would be no deployment of non-German NATO forces on the territory of the former GDR. I was a deputy director on the State Department’s Soviet desk at the time, and that was certainly the point of Secretary James Baker’s discussions with Gorbachev and his foreign minister, Eduard Shevardnadze. In 1990, few gave the possibility of a broader NATO enlargement to the east any serious thought.

The agreement on not deploying foreign troops on the territory of the former GDR was incorporated in Article 5 of the Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany, which was signed on September 12, 1990 by the foreign ministers of the two Germanys, the United States, Soviet Union, Britain and France. Article 5 had three provisions:

1. Until Soviet forces had completed their withdrawal from the former GDR, only German territorial defense units not integrated into NATO would be deployed in that territory.
2. There would be no increase in the numbers of troops or equipment of U.S., British and French forces stationed in Berlin.
3. Once Soviet forces had withdrawn, German forces assigned to NATO could be deployed in the former GDR, but foreign forces and nuclear weapons systems would not be deployed there.

When one reads the full text of the Woerner speech cited by Putin, it is clear that the secretary general’s comments referred to NATO forces in eastern Germany, not a broader commitment not to enlarge the Alliance.



Here is the Woerner speech: NATO Speech: The Atlantic Alliance and European Security

 

[g5000]

It is astonishing how many of Putin's useful idiots there are on this forum.

 

[konradv]

Your saying it is ok if Russia puts a military base in Mexico?

Its not our war and none of our damn business.

Some people would beg to differ.

 

[g5000]

No nation is more corrupt that Russia.

Exactly!

Well, Somalia is probably the most corrupt.

 

[AntonToo]

He was effectively forced to respond.
This confrontation is ten years in the making and virtually inevitable...what?? you actually think the west didn't want this?? NATO??....then you are naive.

Jo

Ok crazy bags

 

[lantern2814]

Here is why this piss drinking useful idiot is dodging and weaving about this hoax about a treaty banning Ukraine from joining NATO. Because it is a myth. A hoax. A lie. Russian propaganda.

TWQ: The Myth of a No-NATO-Enlargement Pledge to Russia - Spring 2009

www.csis.org

Well dumbfuck, Putin was given assurances by NATO that Ukraine and other bordering nations would not be let into NATO as they border Russia. Even making overtures to Ukraine violates that deal. Never mind the wholesale corruption in Ukraine.

 

[g5000]

Most Corrupt Countries 2024

worldpopulationreview.com

Russia is more corrupt than Ukraine.

 

[g5000]

Well dumbfuck, Putin was given assurances by NATO that Ukraine and other bordering nations would not be let into NATO as they border Russia. Even making overtures to Ukraine violates that deal. Never mind the wholesale corruption in Ukraine.

Well dumfuck, Putin has just proved it is a good damned idea for Ukraine to join NATO, now hasn't he?

In fact, Sweden and Finland are warming up to the idea now, because of Putin. And they both border Russia, too. Should Putin invade them?

Talk about shooting your own dick off!

 

[whoisit]

Some people would beg to differ.

They would be wrong!

 

[lantern2814]

Well dumfuck, Putin has just proved it is a good damned idea for Ukraine to join NATO, now hasn't he?

In fact, Sweden and Finland are warming up to the idea now, because of Putin. And they both border Russia, too. Should Putin invade them?

Talk about shooting your own dick off!

You truly are a Zelensky ball licker. So stupid you should be in constant pain. Now you want World War 3 to start and it’s okay for your pals to ignore a deal they made with Putin. Guess what you stupid fuck? YOU and assholes like you are responsible for this die to your support of Xiden. When are you leaving to go fight your pants shitter’s battle for him coward?

 

[JLW]

Well dumbfuck, Putin was given assurances by NATO that Ukraine and other bordering nations would not be let into NATO as they border Russia. Even making overtures to Ukraine violates that deal. Never mind the wholesale corruption in Ukraine.

Lol..Ukraine declared independence in 1991. Putin did not even come to power as prime minister until 1999.

Now it is especially hilarious that a Putin lover is accusing the Ukraine of corruption.

Putin has ripped off his nation to the tune of 200 billion dollars.

That is like Bernie Madoff accusing another of being a fraud.

 

[lantern2814]

Lol..Ukraine declared independence in 1991. Putin did not even come to power as prime minister until 1999.

Now it is especially hilarious that Putin over is accusing the Ukraine of corruption.

That is like Bernie Masoff accusing some other person of being a fraud.

Ukraine was corrupt long before Putin came to power.