Trump is working on making UAE great again, and Saudi Arabia, and Qatar

[Man With A Plan]

That's not what I said. This is about much more than just that. We were talking about the CIA, and you implied that it was crazy to think that they had to do with terror, in your response to Quimby's post #22. I was pointing out the uncomfortable truth that our own government HAS been involved with the creation of certain terror groups, and that the whole issue has been used as a tool. It's Problem - Reaction - Solution.

And what I pointed out is that it is laughable to claim that the CIA is the biggest terrorist problem facing the world! It's the kind of idiotic premise that ivory tower academics put forth because it's "cool" in their little bubble to blame the United States for everything wrong in the world!

 

[buttercup]

Of course we've been "involved"! We supplied the Afghan resistance with arms in their fight against the Soviets. Then once the Soviets retreated from Afghanistan some of those resistance fighters morphed into Al Queda. Should we have not helped the Afghans to rid themselves of the Soviets?

And what I pointed out is that it is laughable to claim that the CIA is the biggest terrorist problem facing the world! It's the kind of idiotic premise that ivory tower academics put forth because it's "cool" in their little bubble to blame the United States for everything wrong in the world!

Yeah, you're still not getting the point. Again, it's about much more than just the Mujahideen and the Soviets. I was talking about the entire "war on terror", not just in the past but to this day. Wars based on lies and false flags, and "terrorism" being used as a tool for globalist agendas, which gets back to the original point of who is behind all of this. It's OK if we disagree, but I just wanted to clarify that what I'm talking about is more than just arming certain groups.

 

[Man With A Plan]

Yeah, you're still not getting the point. Again, it's about much more than just the Mujahideen and the Soviets. I was talking about the entire "war on terror", not just in the past but to this day. Wars based on lies and false flags, and "terrorism" being used as a tool for globalist agendas, which gets back to the original point of who is behind all of this. It's OK if we disagree, but I just wanted to clarify that what I'm talking about is more than just arming certain groups.

I still think you're naive about what the CIA does, Buttercup. How other nation's version of our CIA operate.

 

[buttercup]

I still think you're naive about what the CIA does, Buttercup. How other nation's version of our CIA operate.

So because I believe they're corrupt, subversive and use deceit to bring about globalist agendas... I'm the naive one? I don't want to put words in your mouth, but it kind of sounds like you're implying that what they do is justified. If you're defending them, then we'll just have to agree to disagree. We have traitors in our own government... and it's not only the Dems, I'm not the naive one who is still entrenched in that false dichotomy. But now we're really getting off topic here.

 

[Man With A Plan]

So because I believe they're corrupt, subversive and use deceit to bring about globalist agendas... I'm the naive one? I don't want to put words in your mouth, but it kind of sounds like you're implying that what they do is justified. If you're defending them, then we'll just have to agree to disagree. We have traitors in our own government... and it's not only the Dems, I'm not the naive one who is still entrenched in that false dichotomy. But now we're really getting off topic here.

Someone being shocked because our spy agency employs "deceit" borders on farce, Buttercup...just saying...

 

[westwall]

One of the big problems of the democratic party is they were putting the needs of a few over the majority in many cases. You want to help those in need, but not without considering the needs of all others at the same time.

If we as a nation try and take care of the needs of the world, we go broke.

Then, no one except that Uber rich 1% get to live nice lives.

 

[buttercup]

Someone being shocked because our spy agency employs "deceit" borders on farce, Buttercup...just saying...

I'm not shocked at all. You were the one who was aghast that someone said they are the biggest terrorists. I've been saying that this is about more than what you keep trying to make it out to be. The whole "war on terror" was manufactured as a pretext for subversive (unAmerican) agendas. Wars based on lies and false flags. And this isn't just about war. I've been saying that the people you SEEM to be defending (correct me if I'm wrong) are globalist traitors. But maybe I misunderstood you and you agree with me? If you agree with me, you might want to talk to all the folks here who cheer on the wars, and call for the killing of all Islamists, and buy into all the other mainstream government narratives. I'm glad we agree!

 

[westwall]

Small thinking. In any situation you will get more for yourself if the other party feels you are considering their needs, too.
That is the problem with MAGA. They only think of their needs, screw the rest of the people in the US. That thinking will be the downfall of MAGA.

No you won't. Altruism is a trait found in very few people. ESPECIALLY globalists.

All they want is power.

Their mantra is "you will have nothing, and like it"

While they get to live high on the hog.

No thank you.

Mankind spent millenia breaking that paradigm. I don't care to go backwards.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I believe in a global economy. It is Trump who came in and ran more of an isolationist platform.

i remember on i think it was on gay marriage rights, obama changed his tune and said he evolved...maybe trump evolved elmer...

 

[Man With A Plan]

I'm not shocked at all. You were the one who was aghast that someone said they are the biggest terrorists. I've been saying that this is about more than what you keep trying to make it out to be. The whole "war on terror" was manufactured as a pretext for subversive (unAmerican) agendas. Wars based on lies and false flags. And this isn't just about war. I've been saying that the people you SEEM to be defending (correct me if I'm wrong) are globalist traitors. But maybe I misunderstood you and you agree with me? If you agree with me, you might want to talk to all the folks here who cheer on the wars, and call for the killing of all Islamists, and buy into all the other mainstream government narratives. I'm glad we agree!

The fact that somehow you've come to the conclusion that I agree with you, tells me that you're one of those people who hear what they want to hear. I don't agree with you.