Is NATO Dead?

[Concerned American]

Yes but that's been the declared US strategy for decades,

Linkie, moron.

Well Ukraine did mess up by seeking to plat NATOs game

Ukraine IS NOT, NOR HAS IT EVER BEEN, A NATO MEMBER NATION.

 

[ding]

Best guess at the moment is that the EU will be freed of America's demands and abandon the war too.

Why would anybody still pretend that the war isn't totally US aggression?

Here's Trump's next move: He'll say that America must stay completely involved and sending more money because Putin won't cooperate.

America can't lose this war!

And obviously neither can Russia/China/the Brics.

America can't lose this war because we aren't actually fighting this war. We tricked Russia into invading Ukraine and now we are bleeding them of money, lives and the will to fight.

 

[eagle1462010]

Yes but that's been the declared US strategy for decades, the United States built its European relationships on that basis but is now reneging.

Well Ukraine did mess up by seeking to play NATOs game (other nations did too but Russia held back), but understand the United States has for decades pursued this goal, expanding NATO eastwards, if a country suddenly changes its mind and abandons its allies it can do that, but boy does it carry consequences as trump is soon going to learn.

We havent abandoned NATO. Russia didnt attack NATO. Now is NATO countries attack Russia then we are no longer ablidged to be drawn into WHAT WILL BE WWIII.

If that happens it WILL END IN NUCLEAR WAR.

Not in the Strategic interest of us to go that path.

 

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China would have likely tuned out of Trump's sideshow, halfway through. They would have never believed that the Ukraine was ever a part of it.

China has always known too that it's nothing but America's war against Russia.

Nothing has changed except the bullshit that it's to save the Ukraine.

Only the Dems will keep peddling that lie.

America is the 800lb gorilla in the room. We do what we want to do. And right now we want to bleed Russia dry.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

NATO was used in the Iraq/Afghanistan theater after the US, a NATO member nation was attacked in 2001.

NATO was used to bomb Serbia in 1999 after no NATO member had been attacked. No UN mandate could be obtained to bomb Serbia so the US used NATO instead.

BTW, what happened to your last BS post that NATO was created in response to the Warsaw Pact. Can't you keep your lies consistent?

I made an error, I acknowledged that and thanked Deadstick for pointing it out.

 

[Concerned American]

EU countries are saying they will back Ukraine. Fine.
Trump doesn't have the cash to help Ukraine now.

We've already ponied up more than we should have.

 

[eagle1462010]

NATO was used to bomb Serbia in 1999 after no NATO member had been attacked. No UN mandate could be obtained to bomb Serbia so the US used NATO instead.

I made an error, I acknowledged that and thanked Deadstick for pointing it out.

Last I heard Bosnia wasnt Russia.

Direct conflict with Russia WILL LEAD TO WWIII.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

We havent abandoned NATO.

The US is abandoning its decade long commitment, its strategy to expand NATO, trump has basically given up on including Ukraine in NATO, this is a betrayal of allies - right or wrong - that's what it is.

Russia didnt attack NATO. Now is NATO countries attack Russia then we are no longer ablidged to be drawn into WHAT WILL BE WWIII.

The US and the rest of NATO have been attacking Russia for years, the most recent attack began in 2022.

If that happens it WILL END IN NUCLEAR WAR.

I agree.

Not in the Strategic interest of us to go that path.

Nor is it in the strategic interest of the US to provide military aid and support to Israel. Israel has nuclear weapons, Ukraine does not.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Last I heard Bosnia wasnt Russia.

Who said it was?

Direct conflict with Russia WILL LEAD TO WWIII.

Who said it wouldn't?

 

[Concerned American]

NATO was used to bomb Serbia in 1999 after no NATO member had been attacked. No UN mandate could be obtained to bomb Serbia so the US used NATO instead.

I made an error, I acknowledged that and thanked Deadstick for pointing it out.

The Clinton admin made numerous mistakes--Serbia wasn't the only one. Biden making the same mistake in Ukraine doesn't justify it. The US and NATO have no business in the Russia/Ukraine conflict. Not our country, not our war.

 

[Delldude]

Not true, NATO was created to threaten the Soviet Union and was spearheaded by the United States, it has never acted defensively but has acted offensively. It was never a response to a threat but was itself a threat, that's why the Warsaw Pact was created, to counter the military threat posed by NATO and the installation of US nuclear warheads around the Soviet Union member states.

That objective has been pursued for decades and stopped only when Russia attacked Ukraine.

Soviet Union was the driving force of the Warsaw pact.
Soviet Union was born out of the Russian revolution......
Russia.

 

[Concerned American]

The US is abandoning its decade long commitment, its strategy to expand NATO, trump has basically given up on including Ukraine in NATO, this is a betrayal of allies - right or wrong - that's what it is.

The US and the rest of NATO have been attacking Russia for years, the most recent attack began in 2022.

I agree.

Nor is it in the strategic interest of the US to provide military aid and support to Israel. Israel has nuclear weapons, Ukraine does not.

LMAO. Ukraine is not an ally and has never done ANYTHING beyond extorting money from the US. As for Israel. Is Israel involved in Ukraine? Nope. Not relevant to the conversation. Israel IS an ally.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Poland‘s not getting involved with troops on the ground and they’re not gonna be giving up much money get it through your head.

Yes, it may very well.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

They don’t have a lot of money to spend in the grand scheme and as soon as they do, and they have to realize they’re gonna have to cut their social spending to their people. Their people will be rioting in the streets for getting less of their freebies.

Russia is having economic problems now.

Interesting.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The US is meeting all commitments, unlike many NATO deadbeats.

... by pulling out of them and then get ranked by a second-nation ally like today.

 

[Delldude]

... by pulling out of them and then get ranked by a second-nation ally like today.

More like someone bit the hand that feeds them.

 

[OKTexas]

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