Why is the right falling apart all over the world ?

[kyzr]

But trump is hugely popular among the base. A populist is always likely to win the nomination.
I think that both main parties are several different parties. Maybe that is a cause of polarisation. Only two parties.

Exactly. But all candidates ran as populists, some of us didn't want to deal with Trump's baggage.
Both US parties are made up of various coalitions that would never win as a standalone party.

In 2024 both parties are vying for the black vote, generally a reliable 90% democrat vote, but only 13% of the electorate. Trump wants UAW votes over EVs. Then there are the Hispanics, Republicans are gaining.

Also in 2024 democrats are vying for soccer moms that typically vote Republican as Security moms". Dems are vying for Evangelical votes (never happen).

The post-election analysis will show which candidate did better winning votes from the various factions.

 

[kyzr]

On 13 July, when Trump was shot in the head in Butler, if he had stayed on the ground and withdrew from the race saying the "hell with this" figuring it was too violent, Haley might well have been nominated.

And she would be in a hopeless situation now. Trying to raise hundreds of millions of dollars, trying to win support from Trumpsters across the fruited plain, recruiting staff, etc , gaining the people trust. It would have been an impossible task IMHO.

If Nikki won the nomination at the GOP convention, this race would be over by now.

Nikki wins back Never-Trumpers, smart women voters who hate Trump, and whoever else made up the 17-points she beat Biden by in the polls.

 

[whitehall]

So over the past few months the right has been routed in the UK. Its been thrashed in Po;and and France In November the right will have its arse kicked in the US. Australia rejected conservatism.

Ive got a good idea why but I wonder why the right doesnt see it ? In the US they could have picked Haley and had a chance. They had no chance in the UK after 14 years of dogma.

Poor leaders and shit policies.. Greed,lies and hate will not get you far.

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The European "right" ain't exactly the same as the American right. Do they still address members of government in the U.K. as "Your Lord"? Do the quiche eaters in France understand politics? Are Italians still fascists? The world wasn't in chaos a scant four years ago when the USA had a strong leader.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

The 'right' in Britain is not the same as in America.

Its big on cruelty and hate. Not so much on guns and abortion. Our right feeds off yours.

 

[Leo123]

Exactly. But all candidates ran as populists, some of us didn't want to deal with Trump's baggage.
Both US parties are made up of various coalitions that would never win as a standalone party.

In 2024 both parties are vying for the black vote, generally a reliable 90% democrat vote, but only 13% of the electorate. Trump wants UAW votes over EVs. Then there are the Hispanics, Republicans are gaining.

Also in 2024 democrats are vying for soccer moms that typically vote Republican as Security moms". Dems are vying for Evangelical votes (never happen).

The post-election analysis will show which candidate did better winning votes from the various factions.

Well if you don't like Trump's 'baggage' now you have Biden's 'baggage' - Kamala

 

[Leo123]

Its big on cruelty and hate. Not so much on guns and abortion. Our right feeds off yours.

Got any proof?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

The European "right" ain't exactly the same as the American right. Do they still address members of government in the U.K. as "Your Lord"? Do the quiche eaters in France understand politics? Are Italians still fascists? The world wasn't in chaos a scant four years ago when the USA had a strong leader.

You have just put your president above the law. Do you want Kamala to have that power. ?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Got any proof?

They all spend time in heritage summer camps.

 

[whitehall]

You have just put your president above the law. Do you want Kamala to have that power. ?

Do y'all brits still think King Chuck 2 is important?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Funny you think the democrats are the left in America. They are just closer to center center-right.

Its all relative. Harris is left of trump. But I doubt she is going to introduce a peoper health system.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Do y'all brits still think King Chuck 2 is important?

No.

 

[Polishprince]

If Nikki won the nomination at the GOP convention, this race would be over by now.

Nikki wins back Never-Trumpers, smart women voters who hate Trump, and whoever else made up the 17-points she beat Biden by in the polls.

She would first have to win back the Trumpsters, and gain their trust. Considering the fact that she spent literally millions and didn't get much traction earlier in the year, it would take work to earn their vote. Definitely would have to tell the Bush and Cheney families to go **** themselves. If never-trumpers like the Lincoln Project want to vote for her, fine.

But she would be forfeiting the support of a lot of Little Trumpsters if she decided to pander to them.

 

[Polishprince]

Its all relative. Harris is left of trump. But I doubt she is going to introduce a peoper health system.

The US already has a proper health system.

When British subject Mick Jagger needed complicated heart surgery, he came to America and didn't risk the NHS.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Poor leaders and shit policies.. Greed,lies and hate will not get you far.

True – but don’t underestimate that hate and don’t underestimate the fascist right.

The fascist right may have realized some setbacks – in the UK and France – but conservatives are not falling apart and remain an ongoing threat to democracy and individual liberty.

In the United States, although the situation has become more positive with the candidacy of Vice President Harris, remember that American presidents are installed via a process both undemocratic and antimajoritarian – the race remains close with the possibility of Trump returning to power the benefit of an electoral college win having again lost the popular vote.

 

[Invisibleflash]

So over the past few months the right has been routed in the UK. Its been thrashed in Po;and and France In November the right will have its arse kicked in the US. Australia rejected conservatism.

Ive got a good idea why but I wonder why the right doesnt see it ? In the US they could have picked Haley and had a chance. They had no chance in the UK after 14 years of dogma.

Poor leaders and shit policies.. Greed,lies and hate will not get you far.

Right-wing politics - Wikipedia

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Reps doctrine of lowering the taxes for the rich and trying to ban abortion in all 50 states is not bringing in new voters. Kids coming up love queer, trans, socialism, communism, no gods, abortion, gun confiscation and open borders. The old school and new school don't mix. Reps are useless to save America. They were only good at playing the game with Tipp O'Neil dems...not commie dems.

 

[westwall]

So over the past few months the right has been routed in the UK. Its been thrashed in Po;and and France In November the right will have its arse kicked in the US. Australia rejected conservatism.

Ive got a good idea why but I wonder why the right doesnt see it ? In the US they could have picked Haley and had a chance. They had no chance in the UK after 14 years of dogma.

Poor leaders and shit policies.. Greed,lies and hate will not get you far.

Right-wing politics - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[skye]

Once again you have things backwards... the right is winning all around the world....

Exactly! ^^

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Nope. Just drunken white guys. Maybe you have a link to these scenes.

Poor peaceful Muslims, always getting blamed for violence they never commit, right?

 

[Leo123]

They all spend time in heritage summer camps.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The greatest mistake that those who oppose rightwing fascism can make is to assume that conservatives are falling apart or no longer pose a threat to democracy and individual liberty

The malignancy of conservatism remains an ongoing threat – motivated by ignorance, fear, racism, bigotry, misogyny, and hate.

We see poof of this daily on this very forum.