Fun with Vintage MC Brake Systems

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Brake reservoir on the 750 was really cracked and ugly looking, so I get a new one....Kind of a crappy day, so a little wrenching will pass the afternoon.

Pull the bleeder valve, drop the caliper over the oil collection pan, squeeze the brake handle to empty the fluid, and this heinous brown sludge comes spewing out of the line....Just the beginning.

Snap off the heads of three of the four screws that secure the cap...Gonna be one of those projects! :laugh:

Pull the master cylinder off the handlebar, pry the old reservoir off the body (an ordeal on its own), and am greeted with this nightmare...

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Sludge-o-rama!

That's right, that's what was passing for "fluid" for the front brake...And that flaky white crap on the paper is another stage in what Dot 3 brake fluid degenerates into...The chambers on either side of the central sump were caked to the top with it.

No parts cleaner handy...DAMN!...Off to the auto parts store - 30 miles away.

Stop at the general store halfway to Siren on the off chance they might have something suitable...Spray carb cleaner!...SCORE!

Haul ass back and spend the next hour+ spraying, swabbing and scraping.

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About 90% clean...That white grainy crap is the final product of DOT 3 degeneration..It hardens into a substance not unlike tartar on teeth...Some more scraping, swabbing, and compressed air...Deep Creep and heat gets the stuck screws out...Some emery paper on the reservoir surface for a nice clean mount...FINALLY ready to reassemble.

Everything goes together nice and easy...Pour in some fresh fluid to fill and bleed the system...Squeeze the brake handle annnnnd...NOTHING!

Actuating cylinder seals shot...GAAAAAAAAAA!:102:...Probably was gone all along, but still functioned because it was pushing brake pudding instead of brake fluid.

Order the rebuild kit...More wrenching to come. 🛠️
 
Brake reservoir on the 750 was really cracked and ugly looking, so I get a new one....Kind of a crappy day, so a little wrenching will pass the afternoon.

Pull the bleeder valve, drop the caliper over the oil collection pan, squeeze the brake handle to empty the fluid, and this heinous brown sludge comes spewing out of the line....Just the beginning.

Snap off the heads of three of the four screws that secure the cap...Gonna be one of those projects! :laugh:

Pull the master cylinder off the handlebar, pry the old reservoir off the body (an ordeal on its own), and am greeted with this nightmare...

View attachment 1254500

Sludge-o-rama!

That's right, that's what was passing for "fluid" for the front brake...And that flaky white crap on the paper is another stage in what Dot 3 brake fluid degenerates into...The chambers on either side of the central sump were caked to the top with it.

No parts cleaner handy...DAMN!...Off to the auto parts store - 30 miles away.

Stop at the general store halfway to Siren on the off chance they might have something suitable...Spray carb cleaner!...SCORE!

Haul ass back and spend the next hour+ spraying, swabbing and scraping.

View attachment 1254509


About 90% clean...That white grainy crap is the final product of DOT 3 degeneration..It hardens into a substance not unlike tartar on teeth...Some more scraping, swabbing, and compressed air...Deep Creep and heat gets the stuck screws out...Some emery paper on the reservoir surface for a nice clean mount...FINALLY ready to reassemble.

Everything goes together nice and easy...Pour in some fresh fluid to fill and bleed the system...Squeeze the brake handle annnnnd...NOTHING!

Actuating cylinder seals shot...GAAAAAAAAAA!:102:...Probably was gone all along, but still functioned because it was pushing brake pudding instead of brake fluid.

Order the rebuild kit...More wrenching to come. 🛠️
I had that problem a couple years ago on my goldwing. It's a mess and I can tell you by personal experience, it can lead to brake failure. LOL, this year seems to be battery year for me. The wing, the side x side, the car and I'm sure the boat and the other bike will need them too.
 
Brake reservoir on the 750 was really cracked and ugly looking, so I get a new one....Kind of a crappy day, so a little wrenching will pass the afternoon.

Pull the bleeder valve, drop the caliper over the oil collection pan, squeeze the brake handle to empty the fluid, and this heinous brown sludge comes spewing out of the line....Just the beginning.

Snap off the heads of three of the four screws that secure the cap...Gonna be one of those projects! :laugh:

Pull the master cylinder off the handlebar, pry the old reservoir off the body (an ordeal on its own), and am greeted with this nightmare...

View attachment 1254500

Sludge-o-rama!

That's right, that's what was passing for "fluid" for the front brake...And that flaky white crap on the paper is another stage in what Dot 3 brake fluid degenerates into...The chambers on either side of the central sump were caked to the top with it.

No parts cleaner handy...DAMN!...Off to the auto parts store - 30 miles away.

Stop at the general store halfway to Siren on the off chance they might have something suitable...Spray carb cleaner!...SCORE!

Haul ass back and spend the next hour+ spraying, swabbing and scraping.

View attachment 1254509


About 90% clean...That white grainy crap is the final product of DOT 3 degeneration..It hardens into a substance not unlike tartar on teeth...Some more scraping, swabbing, and compressed air...Deep Creep and heat gets the stuck screws out...Some emery paper on the reservoir surface for a nice clean mount...FINALLY ready to reassemble.

Everything goes together nice and easy...Pour in some fresh fluid to fill and bleed the system...Squeeze the brake handle annnnnd...NOTHING!

Actuating cylinder seals shot...GAAAAAAAAAA!:102:...Probably was gone all along, but still functioned because it was pushing brake pudding instead of brake fluid.

Order the rebuild kit...More wrenching to come. 🛠️
LOL at "Brake Puddin"
 
Just ordered the rebuild kit....It's sooooo cool owning the 2nd gen of a legend...Can get parts soooo easily. :2up:

 
Just ordered the rebuild kit....It's sooooo cool owning the 2nd gen of a legend...Can get parts soooo easily. :2up:

I don't have a big problem with mine either, 50th anniversary special edition, but I managed to find a part that 'is not available' LOL, its the coolant overflow tank cap. I had to buy the entire tank---used, to get the cap. I couldn't find a new one anywhere.
 
I don't have a big problem with mine either, 50th anniversary special edition, but I managed to find a part that 'is not available' LOL, its the coolant overflow tank cap. I had to buy the entire tank---used, to get the cap. I couldn't find a new one anywhere.
If these guys can't track down your vintage Honda parts, maybe nobody can....

 
If these guys can't track down your vintage Honda parts, maybe nobody can....

I found an outfit in ID that came through in short order.
 
Gosh. That brake fluid hasn't been flushed in a very long time by the looks of it. That's something that should be done yearly on both cars and cycles, in my two-bit opinion.

Sucks that you have to drive 30 miles to civilization. But, then again, ain't it great that you have to drive 30 miles to civilization? Ha...
 
Gosh. That brake fluid hasn't been flushed in a very long time by the looks of it. That's something that should be done yearly on both cars and cycles, in my two-bit opinion.
I'm the 2nd owner...That "fluid", less what I've added over the years, is probably factory....Live and learn.
Sucks that you have to drive 30 miles to civilization. But, then again, ain't it great that you have to drive 30 miles to civilization? Ha...
I lean heavily toward great. :up:
 
I'm the 2nd owner...That "fluid", less what I've added over the years, is probably factory....Live and learn.

I lean heavily toward great. :up:
I heard a tip some years ago that you can remove a bunch of fluid from the master cylinder with a turkey baster--leaving just enough that you don't compromise the system to air---replace the fluid that you removed with new fluid. Supposedly it saves ever having to do what you were forced to do. Supposed to be a labor saving service.
 
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