Why is the Army targetting children for recruitment?

[SpidermanTuba]

http://www.switched.com/2007/07/30/americas-army-game-comes-to-the-arcade/


What is the point of this game anyway? Are they hoping that the people playing it will find they enjoy killing people?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

http://www.switched.com/2007/07/30/americas-army-game-comes-to-the-arcade/


What is the point of this game anyway? Are they hoping that the people playing it will find they enjoy killing people?

You of course are aware that the US military recruits 18 year olds and recruits at Highschools? That "children" do not get to join the military legally? That this is jjust a means to promote recruitment for the US Army?

I continue to be amazed by the total of reality displayed by some people regards the military.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

You of course are aware that the US military recruits 18 year olds and recruits at Highschools? That "children" do not get to join the military legally? That this is jjust a means to promote recruitment for the US Army?

I continue to be amazed by the total of reality displayed by some people regards the military.

Yeah, and children don't get to smoke legally, either, but you can still target your advertising campaign to children. Most arcade rooms that I've seen are full of children.

And in my book a 17 year old is not an adult, regardless of what documents their parents sign.


Why should it even be necessary for the military to advertise itself as an employer? How many other organizations can you think of that spend so much money advertising themselves as an employer? Sure, we had "Calvin" on the McDonald's commericials, but that was just a transparent attempt to make McDonald's look like it was giving inner city kids a chance.


Why does the military even HAVE to advertise itself? Everyone knows its there - and there are millions of young right wing college students claiming to be great patriots. If they were serious about their convictions, you'd think there would be TOO MANY recruits, you'd think the military would be raising its admission standards instead of lowering them. I guess the overwhelming majority of young right wingers are either a bunch of pussies or they don't really believe the crap they're spewing.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

I continue to be amazed by the total of reality displayed by some people regards the military.

BTW, what does that even mean?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

BTW, what does that even mean?

Means I left out a word. LOL.

 

[Gunny]

Yeah, and children don't get to smoke legally, either, but you can still target your advertising campaign to children. Most arcade rooms that I've seen are full of children.

And in my book a 17 year old is not an adult, regardless of what documents their parents sign.


Why should it even be necessary for the military to advertise itself as an employer? How many other organizations can you think of that spend so much money advertising themselves as an employer? Sure, we had "Calvin" on the McDonald's commericials, but that was just a transparent attempt to make McDonald's look like it was giving inner city kids a chance.


Why does the military even HAVE to advertise itself? Everyone knows its there - and there are millions of young right wing college students claiming to be great patriots. If they were serious about their convictions, you'd think there would be TOO MANY recruits, you'd think the military would be raising its admission standards instead of lowering them. I guess the overwhelming majority of young right wingers are either a bunch of pussies or they don't really believe the crap they're spewing.

Admission standards have not been lowered. Another lie brought courtesy of the left-wingnuts. They are the same as they have ever been. There just have been more waivers for Cat B enlistees. Not the military's fault society's producing dumber kids.

And if right wingers are pussies, how come we're the mutherfuckers in the military while you sit home pulling your pud?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You can NOT be serious about why the military has to advertise? Shall we go back to a draft? Shall we make ALL 18 year olds randomly risk serving in the military without choice? You are aware we use an ALL Volunteer military right?

 

[Angel Heart]

I love the game. It's a free download and game play in multi-player servers.

 

[mattskramer]

This reminds me of the old debate about to what extent images influence people. Do violent television shows encourage violence in those who watch them? Does pornography influence people to become sex addicts, perverts, or rapists? Do commercials influence people to buy certain products?

Since the taxpayer money was used and the military released this game, it stands to reason that the military hopes that, in addition to getting the quarters that people will spend in order to play the game, that children who play this game might think about doing the real thing when they come of age – and join the military.

 

[mattskramer]

Admission standards have not been lowered.

So these sites including Military.com, Slate, CNN, CBS, BBC, and MSNBC are all-wrong about this issue.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0614-03.htm
Army Lowers Standards and Increases Bonuses, But Still Falling Short of Recruiting Goal

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1499164,00.html
US lowers standards in army numbers crisis

http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2005/050604-army-standards.htm
US lowers standards in army numbers crisis

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,78111,00.html?ESRC=eb.nl
Army Lowers Bar for Recruits

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/65/23047
Lower Standards Help Army Recruit More

http://www.slate.com/id/2127487/
Further evidence that the war in Iraq is wrecking the U.S. Army: Recruiters, having failed to meet their enlistment targets, are now being authorized to pursue high-school dropouts and (not to mince words) stupid people.

http://media.www.dailyillini.com/me...ards.Will.Lead.To.A.Weaker.Army-1649925.shtml
But by relaxing recruitment standards and the rigors of basic training, the Army is essentially sacrificing quality for the sake of quantity.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9905/26/military.shortage/
Army may lower standards to attract recruits

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/09/national/main2074099.shtml
Army Lowers Standards To Meet Goals
Will Also Launch Ad Campaign With `Army Strong' Slogan Aimed At Youth

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46654
Army lowers recruiting bar
Move aimed at reversing dip in enlistments

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/crossing_continents/5278654.stm
It has also had to loosen medical standards, forgive more minor criminal offences, raise the age limit for new recruits from 35 to 42 and accept more people who did not finish high school.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15197832/
Army tops recruit goal by lowering standards
Lower test scores allowed, but high school diploma still required

 

[Gunny]

So these sites including Military.com, Slate, CNN, CBS, BBC, and MSNBC are all-wrong about this issue.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/0614-03.htm
Army Lowers Standards and Increases Bonuses, But Still Falling Short of Recruiting Goal

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1499164,00.html
US lowers standards in army numbers crisis

http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2005/050604-army-standards.htm
US lowers standards in army numbers crisis

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,78111,00.html?ESRC=eb.nl
Army Lowers Bar for Recruits

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/65/23047
Lower Standards Help Army Recruit More

http://www.slate.com/id/2127487/
Further evidence that the war in Iraq is wrecking the U.S. Army: Recruiters, having failed to meet their enlistment targets, are now being authorized to pursue high-school dropouts and (not to mince words) stupid people.

http://media.www.dailyillini.com/me...ards.Will.Lead.To.A.Weaker.Army-1649925.shtml
But by relaxing recruitment standards and the rigors of basic training, the Army is essentially sacrificing quality for the sake of quantity.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9905/26/military.shortage/
Army may lower standards to attract recruits

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/09/national/main2074099.shtml
Army Lowers Standards To Meet Goals
Will Also Launch Ad Campaign With `Army Strong' Slogan Aimed At Youth

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46654
Army lowers recruiting bar
Move aimed at reversing dip in enlistments

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/crossing_continents/5278654.stm
It has also had to loosen medical standards, forgive more minor criminal offences, raise the age limit for new recruits from 35 to 42 and accept more people who did not finish high school.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15197832/
Army tops recruit goal by lowering standards
Lower test scores allowed, but high school diploma still required

Yes. You don't know what you're talking about, neither does ST, nor a bunch of left-biased morons. When you want a class on recruiting, and entrance requirements, just ask.

 

[maineman]

admission standards may not be lower than they were during Vietnam, but they are lower than they were earlier in the Bush administration and lower than they were at other times during the all volunteer military. I have seen several accounts of Army flag officers admitting as much.

 

[Superlative]

What is the point of this game anyway? Are they hoping that the people playing it will find they enjoy killing people?

What do you think FootBall is for?

Army Training.

 

[Gunny]

admission standards may not be lower than they were during Vietnam, but they are lower than they were earlier in the Bush administration and lower than they were at other times during the all volunteer military. I have seen several accounts of Army flag officers admitting as much.

The admission standards are not lower. The Air Force and Marines require an AFQT of 50% or more to enlist. The Army and Navy require and AFQT of 35% or more to enlist.

The Air Force will not budge. The Marines will waiver down to 35%.

To actually pass the ASVAB reuqires only a 10% or higher.

The standards are the same as they ever were. The number of waivers has increased.

 

[maineman]

The standards are the same as they ever were. The number of waivers has increased.

the standards are the same, but we allow a lot more guys to slide in under the standards than we used to. You were chuckling when you wrote that, weren't you?

 

[mattskramer]

Yes. You don't know what you're talking about, neither does ST, nor a bunch of left-biased morons. When you want a class on recruiting, and entrance requirements, just ask.

Did I say that I knew that standards are lower than they were? No. Don't put words in my mouth. I do find it surprising that, based on your statements, all 12 of these web sites are wrong.

 

[Gunny]

the standards are the same, but we allow a lot more guys to slide in under the standards than we used to. You were chuckling when you wrote that, weren't you?

No. The fact is, the number of waivers has always been contigent on the needs of the services. When I joined in 1980 if you spell your name right twice you could get a waiver.

But saying the standards themselves have been lowered is a misnomer.

 

[mattskramer]

the standards are the same, but we allow a lot more guys to slide in under the standards than we used to. You were chuckling when you wrote that, weren't you?

Thanks for clarifying that for me. So let me summarize what you are saying so that I understand. The standards have not been lowered but sometimes the standards are ignored. Is that correct?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Thanks for clarifying that for me. So let me summarize what you are saying so that I understand. The standards have not been lowered but sometimes the standards are ignored. Is that correct?

NOT Ignored, there is a process for waivers. When goals are easily met waivers are hard to get, when goals are not so easily met waivers are viewed more favorably. You still have to qualify under the rules of the waiver process. Recruiters do not get to decide who gets a waiver, that happens at the higher level by a senior officer or in some cases even higher. The SgtMaj and the Colonol for the District are involved and sometimes higher headquarters.

The military doesn't do anything unless there is a regulation allowing it.

It is simple, if the district needs 100 people in a set time frame and has 110 wanting to join with no waiver, then anyone that qualifies with a waiver is going to be denied or put off till later. If they need 100 and are only getting 90, then they are going to look through the waivers and pick the 10 best qualified that can be waivered. Those 10 waivered people still meet the requirements of mental and physical needs, they just have minor disqualifiers that have been determined that can, with the right set of circumstances , be waivered. Some of them will get a waiver based solely on the paper work submitted, some will have to talk to higher level people in the recruiting chain and some will have to do certain things to meet the requirements for the waiver besides talk and paper work.

 

[actsnoblemartin]

agreed. Why let logic and reason get in the way of fear and paranoia

You of course are aware that the US military recruits 18 year olds and recruits at Highschools? That "children" do not get to join the military legally? That this is jjust a means to promote recruitment for the US Army?

I continue to be amazed by the total of reality displayed by some people regards the military.