Zone1 Why is it so tough to believe in God?

[GMCGeneral]

I think I'm partly there since, as an atheist, I'm free from the burden of the Law which is 'the death', a curse, for noncompliance, free from the fear of death, free from childhood Indoctrination, brainwashing, free to live life unfettered. I think.

I can't claim an awakening later in life and to rise to everlasting life from the dead or an understanding of what Jesus meant by saying, "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven" so I guess I have a ways to go.

Doesn't matter whether you belive or not. You are still bound by the Law.

 

[alang1216]

Doesn't matter whether you belive or not. You are still bound by the Law.

That is not how I live. Will God punish me if I have other gods before him? Will Allah punish me if I don't pray 5 times a day? Will Zeus punish me if I don't make sacrifices to him?

 

[hobelim]

That is not how I live. Will God punish me if I have other gods before him?

The Law is not and never was about crime and punishment. It's about cause and effect. Karma. For instance, if a person, whatever they believe or don't believe, fills their heads with irrational religious flotsam or any BS sales pitch or slogan they will defile and contaminate their mind, go insane, and lose their soul. MAGA is an example..

Another example:

If a person eats the flesh of swine that do not ruminate they will defile and contaminate their mind and devolve into an unclean creature that cannot ruminate. Easy prey for every foul and loathsome beast and bird on earth.

The rub is, one cannot comply with the literal reading of the command to refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate without violating the deeper implications of the exact same law because to teach that the subject of kosher law is about food is the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate.

One must realize that when people claim the name of my God they are dealing with a vastly superior intelligence. If a person fails to heed the instruction in the Law the result death a curse is a consequence of their own choice.

There is only so much that a human mind can handle. So please keep in mind, you cannot win with a losing hand.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

spirituality as an advocate from the very beginning of humanity, is never about existences inside our own realm. It's all about existences outside of our realm

Hallowed Be Hallucinations!

 

[alang1216]

The Law is not and never was about crime and punishment. It's about cause and effect. Karma. For instance, if a person, whatever they believe or don't believe, fills their heads with irrational religious flotsam or any BS sales pitch or slogan they will defile and contaminate their mind, go insane, and lose their soul. MAGA is an example..

Another example:

If a person eats the flesh of swine that do not ruminate they will defile and contaminate their mind and devolve into an unclean creature that cannot ruminate. Easy prey for every foul and loathsome beast and bird on earth.

The rub is, one cannot comply with the literal reading of the command to refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate without violating the deeper implications of the exact same law because to teach that the subject of kosher law is about food is the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate.

One must realize that when people claim the name of my God they are dealing with a vastly superior intelligence. If a person fails to heed the instruction in the Law the result death a curse is a consequence of their own choice.

There is only so much that a human mind can handle. So please keep in mind, you cannot win with a losing hand.

I'm not a mystical person so most of what you write is meaningless to me. Are you the smartest person here or the dumbest, I'm still trying to decide.

 

[hobelim]

I'm not a mystical person so most of what you write is meaningless to me.

What's so mystical about the knowledge of cause and effect? What's so hard to comprehend about the deeper meaning of kosher law or how that will always apply to all people whatever they believe or don't believe?

Its not rocket science and the teaching is not above the grasp of any grade school child whoever read a fairy tale.

Damn.

Are you the smartest person here or the dumbest, I'm still trying to decide.

Now I'm wondering the exact same thing about you. Apparently GMCGeneral general was right.

The law, like gravity, applies to all people whether they believe it does or not and like gravity it doesn't matter if you are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Pagan or whatever, rich or poor, young or old, black or white, cop or a criminal, gay or straight, believer or atheist, male or female, a genius or the least intelligent person out there, etc.

Herds of swine that do not ruminate are not exclusively religious. Many geniuses are inept in certain subjects.

Thanks for illustrating that point.

 

[alang1216]

What's so mystical about the knowledge of cause and effect? What's so hard to comprehend about the deeper meaning of kosher law or how that will always apply to all people whatever they believe or don't believe?

Its not rocket science and the teaching is not above the grasp of any grade school child whoever read a fairy tale.

Damn

Even your post have mystical inclusions. Compare the this copied text with your original posts?

Anyway you include more relevant mysticisms:

Karma. irrational religious flotsam, defile and contaminate their mind, go insane, lose their soul, devolve into an unclean creature, foul and loathsome beast and bird, the deeper implications of the exact same law, name of my God, a vastly superior intelligence, death is a consequence of their own choice.

Now I'm wondering the exact same thing about you. Apparently GMCGeneral general was right.

The law, like gravity, applies to all people whether you believe in it or not.

I'm curious to know what you decide.

 

[hobelim]

Even your post have mystical inclusions. Compare the this copied text with your original posts?

Anyway you include more relevant mysticisms:

Is what I said any more "mystical" than understanding the metaphors in the story of Pinocchio? I knew in 2nd grade in a fraction of a second after a talking serpent was introduced that the story of A&E was like any fairy tale.

Was that me being mystical or just seeing what is right in front of my eyes? I knew about fairy tales since I was 4. And not because I was some mystic on the top of a mountain or an ascetic hermit living in a cave for forty years.

If you have a problem with that blame it on my mother who explained it all to me very clearly. Animals don't talk. Any talking animal in any fantastical story, even mythological creatures, represents a certain type of human being.

Thats just literature, not mysticism or anything that is inaccessible to the intellect of anyone high or low. Damn.

Its time to pay the Piper.

Or else!

Karma.

I'm curious to know what you decide

What I decide is up to you. Time will tell. What I decide shouldn't matter as much as what you think and then do.

 

[alang1216]

Is what I said any more "mystical" than understanding the metaphors in the story of Pinocchio? I knew in 2nd grade in a fraction of a second after a talking serpent was introduced that the story of A&E was like any fairy tale.

Yep. Karma. irrational religious flotsam, defile and contaminate their mind, go insane, lose their soul, devolve into an unclean creature, foul and loathsome beast and bird, the deeper implications of the exact same law, name of my God, a vastly superior intelligence, death is a consequence of their own choice. These all seem mystical to me but what do I know?

 

[GMCGeneral]

That is not how I live. Will God punish me if I have other gods before him? Will Allah punish me if I don't pray 5 times a day? Will Zeus punish me if I don't make sacrifices to him?

You were already headed to eternal punishment because you reject G-d's free gift of salvation through Christ, because of your sin of unbelief and pride.

 

[alang1216]

You were already headed to eternal punishment because you reject G-d's free gift of salvation through Christ, because of your sin of unbelief and pride.

At least I won't be lonely since 70% of people in the world are not Christians. Also, I doubt that many who claim to be Christian really follow all of Jesus' teachings so Heaven might be sparely populated. Of course Christianity is all about forgiveness so maybe I'll get a pass. What do you think?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Do you take a testing kit to the pharmacy to make sure you're getting what you're supposed to get? If not, you live on faith. Do you first verify that every chair you are about to sit in will support you and not collapse? If not, you live on faith.

No trick, just simple math. You take it on faith that it just happened because you're told it just happened.

That violates simple math. You have no answer for how a violent, unstable early planet earth somehow magically (there's your favorite concept right there) there was a little tidepool where nothing changed for millions upon millions of years as the perfect conditions existed for the magical alignment of just the right ingredients, and viola, there it is.

Oh, it's straight alright, as I have shown.

IOW, no rebuttal.

Let's review:

You ACTUALLY BELIEVE that, if people don't disprove every magical and completely madeup idea that falls out of your face, then they are operating on faith.

You're embarrassing yourself.

We know there was no Earth, 4.54 billion years ago. We know when Earth cooled enough for life to form. We know when the oldest life we know of existed.

So we know life formed in that window.

No, nobody has to dismiss the bullshit you are pulling right out of your ass about how long it should have taken. And yes, it is utter, ad hoc bullshit. No, nobody has to prove that it wasn't magic, either.

And the only reason you are embarrassing yourself is because of your childish belief in a bronze age mythology. We know stars form by the same type of reasoning as we.know life formed. Yet not one godbothering troll is making any arguments against the theory of star formation or making up embarrassingly dumb shit about it, as you are about abiogenesis. And we both know why.

Your faith has become a mental handicap.

The sooner you learn this principle (that nobody has to disprove the bullshit you pull out of your ass, a principle that most people learn when they are about 9 years old), the sooner you will be on your way to not embarrassing yourself.

Good luck.

 

[shockedcanadian]

I don't know but I require all the prayers I can muster at the moment.

 

[Meriweather]

At least I won't be lonely since 70% of people in the world are not Christians. Also, I doubt that many who claim to be Christian really follow all of Jesus' teachings so Heaven might be sparely populated. Of course Christianity is all about forgiveness so maybe I'll get a pass. What do you think?

Religion/faith is not what we do to earn a heavenly afterlife. Religion/faith is more about how to live this life, and how the love and goodness extends past this life.

 

[toobfreak]

Why is it so tough to believe in God?​

Seriously?

• Thousands of years ago, the east indians called it 'Maya,' or the illusory nature of the material world, but in Christian parlance, we understand it as the influence of Satan. Satan does all within his power to hide the reality of God from others, either through lies, deception, or some other means.

 

[MarathonMike]

Is it because:

• Lack of belief we are lovable
• Lack of belief we are cared for
• Lack of belief God is an active agent in our lives
• Lack of belief we have a reason for being

What blocks people from believing in God? Why is it so hard to believe?

I personally feel that is more difficult to not believe in God. The circumstantial evidence for God's existence is overwhelming.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I personally feel that is more difficult to not believe in God. The circumstantial evidence for God's existence is overwhelming.

Because you deem it to be so.

So it's just a personal choice, in the end. Not ripping on it.

 

[Leo123]

If one has a belief in the Christian God, there is a practical set of moral beliefs. Adhering to them is not an easy task because humans tend to be as evil as they are good. Most of us (if not all of us) get sidetracked, tempted, etc. because we are human. Belief in a higher power and the set of morals helps us focus so we don't fall and fail as humans. It is much easier to just discount Him so we can indulge ourselves in immoral, amoral behavior on a moral structure of relativism.

 

[toobfreak]

If one has a belief in the Christian God, there is a practical set of moral beliefs. Adhering to them is not an easy task because humans tend to be as evil as they are good. Most of us (if not all of us) get sidetracked, tempted, etc. because we are human. Belief in a higher power and the set of morals helps us focus so we don't fall and fail as humans. It is much easier to just discount Him so we can indulge ourselves in immoral, amoral behavior on a moral structure of relativism.

The one thing that is certain is that the democrat party could not exist as it is today without atheism.

 

[Leo123]

The one thing that is certain is that the democrat party could not exist as it is today without atheism.

They have become the party of Godless Marxism/Communism led by leftist radicals. There is no room for objective morals in the Democrat party anymore.