Zone1 Why is it so tough to believe in God?

[BreezeWood]

Err, Americans have the word. "G-d" on their money, in patriotic songs, they have tonpit their hand on the bible to be sworn into office. It is serious business and a critical aspect of their identity.

the currency god does not say desert religion nor patriotic songs and are added in the 50's by unscrupulous politicians - there is no requirement for using a bible in any official function of the u s gov't.

just keep your religion in your particular church and their will not be any problems.

 

[shockedcanadian]

the currency god does not say desert religion nor patriotic songs and are added in the 50's by unscrupulous politicians - there is no requirement for using a bible in any official function of the u s gov't.

just keep your religion in your particular church and their will not be any problems.

You presume too much.

 

[alang1216]

Seriously?!? The Jew (Jesus, to be clear) who said Moses spoke of him.

Seriously. I have several issues with accepting Jesus claiming Moses spoke of him:

1. The NT is theology NOT history and there are many inventions in it that advance the theology.
2. We have no record of Jesus writing anything.
3. John was likely written many decades after Jesus by people who were not Jews, spoke another language, and lived on another continent.
4. Even if Jesus made that claim, why should I believe him, he was wrong about other things.

Essentially I'd have to believe Jesus was divine BEFORE I could even evaluate the evidence that he was divine.

 

[Slyhunter]

Is it because:

• Lack of belief we are lovable
• Lack of belief we are cared for
• Lack of belief God is an active agent in our lives
• Lack of belief we have a reason for being

What blocks people from believing in God? Why is it so hard to believe?

Greatest con job ever. Work your ass off for reward in the next life when it's too late to ask for a refund.

 

[Slyhunter]

Seriously. I have several issues with accepting Jesus claiming Moses spoke of him:

1. The NT is theology NOT history and there are many inventions in it that advance the theology.
2. We have no record of Jesus writing anything.
3. John was likely written many decades after Jesus by people who were not Jews, spoke another language, and lived on another continent.
4. Even if Jesus made that claim, why should I believe him, he was wrong about other things.

Essentially I'd have to believe Jesus was divine BEFORE I could even evaluate the evidence that he was divine.

What proof Christianity is real that other Religions can't claim similar levels of proof their religions are real?

 

[Meriweather]

Greatest con job ever. Work your ass off for reward in the next life when it's too late to ask for a refund.

Read more carefully. The Bible is about getting the most, and being the best you can be, in this present life. Eternal life starts here and extends into eternity. It does not begin after death, but in life. The funny thing is that it's not about working in this life, it's about living this life.

 

[Meriweather]

Seriously. I have several issues with accepting Jesus claiming Moses spoke of him

Of course you do. Why not trot on after the people who do not believe he existed at all. That's an even easier path than, "Oh, but he didn't say that." Can you present what it was he said instead? Or, is it your thought that he just walk around saying nothing at all?

 

[Meriweather]

Essentially I'd have to believe Jesus was divine BEFORE I could even evaluate the evidence that he was divine.

And that's a mustard seed in which you have no interest.

 

[alang1216]

Of course you do. Why not trot on after the people who do not believe he existed at all. That's an even easier path than, "Oh, but he didn't say that." Can you present what it was he said instead? Or, is it your thought that he just walk around saying nothing at all?

Oh, he existed, I have no doubt about that. I also believe he was an apocalyptical Jewish preacher, like Paul, and said things an apocalyptical Jew would say.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Err, Americans have the word. "G-d" on their money, in patriotic songs, they have tonpit their hand on the bible to be sworn into office. It is serious business and a critical aspect of their identity.

So?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Selection can only influence things that can replicate so that is not relevant.

This is 100% false, so I urge you to start over completely. You are being boxed in by the idea of natural selection working on individuals, in evolution. That's merely one type of selection.

Selection by physical forces would have created the first prototype cell membrane, for example. No replication is or was necessary.

So please start over.

 

[DennisPTate]

Is it because:

• Lack of belief we are lovable
• Lack of belief we are cared for
• Lack of belief God is an active agent in our lives
• Lack of belief we have a reason for being

What blocks people from believing in God? Why is it so hard to believe?

Here is a paragraph from a near death experiencer that may begin to restore your faith in the idea that our Creator perhaps has a good plan for all of us?

The catch is that the afterlife realms do have some scary areas.

[Near death experiencer Christian Andreason] :

h. Who goes to heaven?​

In the end … believe it or not (sigh of relief), everyone gets to come home! Heaven is a place of ultimate LOVE. When we have learned how to become individuals that base our entire existence and consciousness around manifesting LOVE, we then become capable of entering the domain of the higher realms of heaven. If we do not practice love, we can only go so far and we will be made to incarnate somewhere out there in God’s super universe again and again (unlimited times) until we learn.

Christian Andréason's Near-Death Experience - Near-Death Experiences and the Afterlife

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[BreezeWood]

Can you present what it was he said instead?

not found in the christian bible is not that they were not spoken - their bible written by the crucifiers, surprise surprise ... could that also be the reason to put him to death to silence those events the repudiation of judaism as false commandments et al.

and feed them, the true heavenly adherents to the lions till none were left by the 4tyh century ... than their preserved oral representations of those events to this day.

 

[JoeB131]

In other words, you are not daring enough to study modern day research/discoveries.

Why bother.

Carbon 14 dating says 14th Century.
The Pope at the time said 14th Century (Well, one of the popes, "Anti-Popes and the Great Schism" is an entirely separate topic)
Testing on the stains prove they're pigment, not blood
the layout of the body is anatomically impossible.

Oh, and here's the kicker.. no mention of this relic before the 14th century

Then you have the Church's long history of fobbing off fake relics as the real bones of saints who died centuries before.

 

[Votto]

Not a single shred. Please dont go down that road, it's dishonest.

And faith is belief without evidence.

When you guys lie and say there IS evidence, it makes one rightfully wonder if your faith isnt a bit dubious and shaky.

Faith is NOT belief without evidence.

That is a lie.

There is plenty of evidence, but you reject all of it.

 

[alang1216]

This is 100% false, so I urge you to start over completely. You are being boxed in by the idea of natural selection working on individuals, in evolution. That's merely one type of selection.

Selection by physical forces would have created the first prototype cell membrane, for example. No replication is or was necessary.

So please start over.

Not there yet. How could physical forces have created the first prototype cell membrane and why did it persist?

 

[Meriweather]

Here is a paragraph from a near death experiencer that may begin to restore your faith in the idea that our Creator perhaps has a good plan for all of us?

Restore? Then I guess I can skip that paragraph....

 

[Meriweather]

Why bother.

Carbon 14 dating says 14th Century.

Of one mended corner sewn after the fire, yes. Jump forward fifty years and what has been learned of the entire shroud.

 

[DennisPTate]

Restore? Then I guess I can skip that paragraph....

That is totally your choice and your responsibility.

 

[Meriweather]

That is totally your choice and your responsibility.

Tell me why you believe my faith needs restoring? Especially after my own knowledge of death experience?