CDZ Why I support Universal healthcare, and why I don't.

[iamwhatiseem]

...Sadly in our country too many resources go into the elderly and not enough resources go into the young.

Good Lord is it possible you could be any more wrong?? Or anyone be anymore wrong??
I will let you ruminate on that one a bit more and give you a second chance to think that one through.
Holy cow.

In terms of healthcare I’m not wrong at all. We spend way too much money on extending the lives of the elderly a few short years.

Can't be true if your country's life expectancy is quite a distance below that of the world's leading democracies!
That should make you aware of how wrong your mentality of greed really is!
And your country's infant mortality rate is not even on par with those countries.

'THOSE' countries you people refer to as socialist or communist!

Out infant mortality rate has more to do with failure of minorities to get pre-natal care, drug abuse and alcoholism. That's is something which other countries do not have to deal.

Absolutely.
My son is a Respiratory Specialist at a leading Childrens Hospital. If it wasn't for drug related preemies and "drug babies"...their hospital would literally be half empty. And of course, ALL of these massive health cost are paid for by taxpayer dollars.
It is stunning to me how so many drug infested low lifes can have multiple children - taking care of NONE of them - ALL on taxpayer assistance.... and NO ONE says or does anything about the fact they keep having children!!

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Universal coverage can also include public/private partnerships, such as our current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage program, which could be tweaked to work for all Americans. It would also be individual and portable, include dynamic choice, free market competition and innovation, and take a massive cost monkey off the backs of American employers.

Right now, we have SIX (6) different healthcare delivery/payment systems, none of which communicates directly with the others:

1. Medicare
2. Medicaid
3. VA
4. Group
5. Individual
6. Indigent

I wonder how many people really think that's a smart "system".

Smart systems and government are mutually exclusive. Just about all Federal expansion that has happened over the last 100 years has resulted in massive inefficiencies and fraud which of course tax payers pay for. And of course the tax code itself continues to grow despite the tepid calls for "simplification".

Due to corrupt gerrymandering on both sides, as well as both sides together with the media work VERY hard to constantly keep the population divided - there is no accountability in both houses. No matter what they do, no matter how bad public opinion is of them - they get re-elected over and over and over. So there is absolutely no incentive to change, thus the corruption will continue.

Most people who use the term "gerrymander" have no idea to what it means.

I do

Apparently not.

Explain how gerrymandering applies to your comment, please.

Really? It is quite obvious is it not? Lousy, inept, corrupt politicians continue to get re-elected over and over. Part of that is due to precinct gerrymandering. Democratic states do this to make it harder for the opposite party to take over a seat, same for Republicans.

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

I run a small company with 8 employees. I make enough money to support Bonzi and I comfortably. I haven't worried about paying bills for decades. If I/we want something enough, we buy it. Our retirement is secure because I made it that way. Bonzi doesn't need to work for financial reasons... she only needs to work so we have healthcare insurance. For 2 people in their 50s... decent healthcare insurance is astronomical. Thank you Obamacare for raising insurance costs to the moon for those needing ACTUAL insurance and not just a plastic card that pretends to be insurance so you can donate money to the government.

ACTUAL health insurance that doesn't have ENORMOUS out-of-pocket costs, so high in fact... it is highly unlikely you will ever get a single penny of benefits.
REAL insurance with REAL coverage would cost us about $1600 a month. (I define REAL as one with less than $2000 deductible, otherwise you have something pretending to be healthcare coverage, when in reality it is catastrophic care only - another gift from Obamacare)
Through Bonzi's job it costs us a little over $500/mo. for the premium care that has a deductible of $2500.

So for those reasons I wish we had Universal Care... so we could have coverage without having to have a full time job to get it. Especially when we get to age 60 or so... at that point we have enough liquid assets to quit full time jobs and work when we want. But cannot do so, because health insurance is prohibitively expensive.


Why I DON'T SUPPORT UHC.... because it is the federal government.
And the American federal government is wholly corrupt, inept, wasteful and the needs of the population are a very-very distant 2nd to special interest, globalism and corporatism. As we saw with Obamacare... the government, even when liberals are the ones that did it, gave more thought to protecting Pharma, insurance conglomerates and the $40 Billion medical device industry so so so much more than what people needed.
I simply do not believe the American corrupt system can do the job without fucking us over and over while gifting corporations and special interest.

Sometimes I really do think about becoming an ex-Pat.

Ok. But when you tell your doctor he will only make 100k like in France. You want better and faster care. What will he say to you?

When you tell his nurse that her 60k is now 30k, what would she say to you?

The reality is med professionals make way less in income with Bolshevised Medicine. A reality few of you know.

Underwritten life and health for decades so bullshit answers walk.

In perspective. I tell you that you will only make half and run your business. Doctors are mostly self employed like you. Will you settle for half? If you do. Universal is for YOU!

 

[Donald H]

Out infant mortality rate has more to do with failure of minorities to get pre-natal care, drug abuse and alcoholism. That's is something which other countries do not have to deal.

Absolutely.
My son is a Respiratory Specialist at a leading Childrens Hospital. If it wasn't for drug related preemies and "drug babies"...their hospital would literally be half empty. And of course, ALL of these massive health cost are paid for by taxpayer dollars.
It is stunning to me how so many drug infested low lifes can have multiple children - taking care of NONE of them - ALL on taxpayer assistance.... and NO ONE says or does anything about the fact they keep having children!!
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Failure of people to get pre-natal care, drug abuse, and alcoholism are most likely the main reasons why your infant mortality rate is so high. Do you ever wonder if your country's treatment of people has anythinig to do with your problem.

Baby jesus didn't just send the stork with all the sick babies to America. He sent them to all countries with high infant mortality rates.

 

[Donald H]

Apparently not.

Explain how gerrymandering applies to your comment, please.

I can help with that admiral. Gerrymandering leads to more candidate being elected who are beholden to government that's beholden to the corporations. And big corporations are preventing a change to universal health care for all..

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Donald H

Just sayin.... when you see you have messed up a quote, it is best to go back and fix it. It is confusing.

We have a problem in America with minority populations that is NO fault of their own.
Slavery/Racism has nothing to do with it. America is the most diverse/accepting nation on earth. PERIOD. No other country even comes close to the diversity in all aspects as America.
The problem is - liberal social programs from the 1960's - 1980's. It is called Welfare/Food Stamps/Rent assistance/WIC etc. etc.
Liberals packed blacks into inner city areas like sardines in the 1960's-1970s. Areas of the city that had no employment opportunities. And they gave them barely enough money to get by. And they didn't have to do a single thing to get it - and keep getting it.
This built generation dependence on government handouts. In cities across America there are whole sections of the city where you have 4 generations - and not one single member of that family have a job, or have ever had a job. ALL live off of taxpayer handouts.
You don't have this problem. This is a DISASTEROUS problem created by liberals.
PERIOD[/QUOTE]

 

[Donald H]

Donald H

Just sayin.... when you see you have messed up a quote, it is best to go back and fix it. It is confusing.

I saw the error but I've pretty much given up on trying to sort out long lines of quotes.

We have a problem in America with minority populations that is NO fault of their own.

It's the fault of white America who never accepted the loss of slavery and so turned it into a huge racism problem that is common to only America.

Slavery/Racism has nothing to do with it. America is the most diverse/accepting nation on earth. PERIOD. No other country even comes close to the diversity in all aspects as America.
The problem is - liberal social programs from the 1960's - 1980's. It is called Welfare/Food Stamps/Rent assistance/WIC etc. etc.

You can blame the liberals if you wish and I have no wish to debate it. But you also have to understand that which goes along with it is an admission of the problem. You've just assigned the blame to your political foes.

Liberals packed blacks into inner city areas like sardines in the 1960's-1970s. Areas of the city that had no employment opportunities. And they gave them barely enough money to get by. And they didn't have to do a single thing to get it - and keep getting it.

Liberals may have been to blame for what happened but I think it's more likely that poor people gravitated to large cities. However, stick with your theory. It still doesn't make a lick of difference to the fact that America has a huge racism problem. You're just making it clear to me that you're part of the problem and have no ambitions on finding any kind of a solution.

This built generation dependence on government handouts. In cities across America there are whole sections of the city where you have 4 generations - and not one single member of that family have a job, or have ever had a job. ALL live off of taxpayer handouts.
You don't have this problem. This is a DISASTEROUS problem created by liberals.
PERIOD

Absolutely correct as far as my knowledge of the situation takes me! You've spilled your guts out on there being a huge racism problem and a problem with minorities in America.

Clever American!

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Healthcare in the US sounds like an enormous burden on the individual.Its expensive and complicated and that is a recipe for disaster. No country anywhere in the world would adopt your system.

Bullshit. I have seen the documentaries. You do not treat your elderly any better.

There are no old people in the UK who are having to work in order to maintain their healthcare.

 

[Donald H]

There are no old people in the UK who are having to work in order to maintain their healthcare.

Any discussion with Americas on health care comparisons to other countries is a slamdunk Tommy.

But it always raises the gnawing question as to why they continue to tolerate their ripoff. The literally live in fear of needing to go to a hospital for something as simple as an appendectomy, for fear of bankruptcy!
And it's not as simple as just voting in the Democrats, because they won't deliver either. Their politicians are bought off by big corporations. Not a mystery at all, but there's nothing the people can do about it and so it's going to continue for the foreseeable future.

Why in hell do they even bring up the topic?

 

[Sactowndog]

...Sadly in our country too many resources go into the elderly and not enough resources go into the young.

Good Lord is it possible you could be any more wrong?? Or anyone be anymore wrong??
I will let you ruminate on that one a bit more and give you a second chance to think that one through.
Holy cow.

In terms of healthcare I’m not wrong at all. We spend way too much money on extending the lives of the elderly a few short years.

Can't be true if your country's life expectancy is quite a distance below that of the world's leading democracies!
That should make you aware of how wrong your mentality of greed really is!
And your country's infant mortality rate is not even on par with those countries.

'THOSE' countries you people refer to as socialist or communist!

Out infant mortality rate has more to do with failure of minorities to get pre-natal care, drug abuse and alcoholism. That's is something which other countries do not have to deal.

And how do you explain away the other facts in this post like un-managed asthma and un-managed diabetes? Or are you just another southern racist blaming it on “minorities” No rational un-biased person doing modern benchmarking can conclude anything other than our healthcare being a disaster.

 

[Sactowndog]

...Sadly in our country too many resources go into the elderly and not enough resources go into the young.

Good Lord is it possible you could be any more wrong?? Or anyone be anymore wrong??
I will let you ruminate on that one a bit more and give you a second chance to think that one through.
Holy cow.

In terms of healthcare I’m not wrong at all. We spend way too much money on extending the lives of the elderly a few short years.

Can't be true if your country's life expectancy is quite a distance below that of the world's leading democracies!
That should make you aware of how wrong your mentality of greed really is!
And your country's infant mortality rate is not even on par with those countries.

'THOSE' countries you people refer to as socialist or communist!

Out infant mortality rate has more to do with failure of minorities to get pre-natal care, drug abuse and alcoholism. That's is something which other countries do not have to deal.

Absolutely.
My son is a Respiratory Specialist at a leading Childrens Hospital. If it wasn't for drug related preemies and "drug babies"...their hospital would literally be half empty. And of course, ALL of these massive health cost are paid for by taxpayer dollars.
It is stunning to me how so many drug infested low lifes can have multiple children - taking care of NONE of them - ALL on taxpayer assistance.... and NO ONE says or does anything about the fact they keep having children!!

My daughter in law is an MD and my daughter is a DPT and both say you ought to climb back under the racist rock you climbed out of. Do us all a favor a lead a secession of southern states would you.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

...Sadly in our country too many resources go into the elderly and not enough resources go into the young.

Good Lord is it possible you could be any more wrong?? Or anyone be anymore wrong??
I will let you ruminate on that one a bit more and give you a second chance to think that one through.
Holy cow.

In terms of healthcare I’m not wrong at all. We spend way too much money on extending the lives of the elderly a few short years.

Can't be true if your country's life expectancy is quite a distance below that of the world's leading democracies!
That should make you aware of how wrong your mentality of greed really is!
And your country's infant mortality rate is not even on par with those countries.

'THOSE' countries you people refer to as socialist or communist!

Out infant mortality rate has more to do with failure of minorities to get pre-natal care, drug abuse and alcoholism. That's is something which other countries do not have to deal.

And how do you explain away the other facts in this post like un-managed asthma and un-managed diabetes? Or are you just another southern racist blaming it on “minorities” No rational un-biased person doing modern benchmarking can conclude anything other than our healthcare being a disaster. View attachment 437033

You just hate facts, don't you?

 

[Blues Man]

Universal coverage can also include public/private partnerships, such as our current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage program, which could be tweaked to work for all Americans. It would also be individual and portable, include dynamic choice, free market competition and innovation, and take a massive cost monkey off the backs of American employers.

Right now, we have SIX (6) different healthcare delivery/payment systems, none of which communicates directly with the others:

1. Medicare
2. Medicaid
3. VA
4. Group
5. Individual
6. Indigent

I wonder how many people really think that's a smart "system".

Smart systems and government are mutually exclusive. Just about all Federal expansion that has happened over the last 100 years has resulted in massive inefficiencies and fraud which of course tax payers pay for. And of course the tax code itself continues to grow despite the tepid calls for "simplification".

Due to corrupt gerrymandering on both sides, as well as both sides together with the media work VERY hard to constantly keep the population divided - there is no accountability in both houses. No matter what they do, no matter how bad public opinion is of them - they get re-elected over and over and over. So there is absolutely no incentive to change, thus the corruption will continue.

Most people who use the term "gerrymander" have no idea to what it means.

I do

Apparently not.

Explain how gerrymandering applies to your comment, please.

Really? It is quite obvious is it not? Lousy, inept, corrupt politicians continue to get re-elected over and over. Part of that is due to precinct gerrymandering. Democratic states do this to make it harder for the opposite party to take over a seat, same for Republicans.

Lousy inept politicians get elected because lousy inept people vote for them

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

...Sadly in our country too many resources go into the elderly and not enough resources go into the young.

Good Lord is it possible you could be any more wrong?? Or anyone be anymore wrong??
I will let you ruminate on that one a bit more and give you a second chance to think that one through.
Holy cow.

In terms of healthcare I’m not wrong at all. We spend way too much money on extending the lives of the elderly a few short years.

Can't be true if your country's life expectancy is quite a distance below that of the world's leading democracies!
That should make you aware of how wrong your mentality of greed really is!
And your country's infant mortality rate is not even on par with those countries.

'THOSE' countries you people refer to as socialist or communist!

Out infant mortality rate has more to do with failure of minorities to get pre-natal care, drug abuse and alcoholism. That's is something which other countries do not have to deal.

Absolutely.
My son is a Respiratory Specialist at a leading Childrens Hospital. If it wasn't for drug related preemies and "drug babies"...their hospital would literally be half empty. And of course, ALL of these massive health cost are paid for by taxpayer dollars.
It is stunning to me how so many drug infested low lifes can have multiple children - taking care of NONE of them - ALL on taxpayer assistance.... and NO ONE says or does anything about the fact they keep having children!!

My daughter in law is an MD and my daughter is a DPT and both say you ought to climb back under the racist rock you climbed out of. Do us all a favor a lead a secession of southern states would you.

We see who got all the brains in the family!

 

[iamwhatiseem]

...Sadly in our country too many resources go into the elderly and not enough resources go into the young.

Good Lord is it possible you could be any more wrong?? Or anyone be anymore wrong??
I will let you ruminate on that one a bit more and give you a second chance to think that one through.
Holy cow.

In terms of healthcare I’m not wrong at all. We spend way too much money on extending the lives of the elderly a few short years.

Can't be true if your country's life expectancy is quite a distance below that of the world's leading democracies!
That should make you aware of how wrong your mentality of greed really is!
And your country's infant mortality rate is not even on par with those countries.

'THOSE' countries you people refer to as socialist or communist!

Out infant mortality rate has more to do with failure of minorities to get pre-natal care, drug abuse and alcoholism. That's is something which other countries do not have to deal.

Absolutely.
My son is a Respiratory Specialist at a leading Childrens Hospital. If it wasn't for drug related preemies and "drug babies"...their hospital would literally be half empty. And of course, ALL of these massive health cost are paid for by taxpayer dollars.
It is stunning to me how so many drug infested low lifes can have multiple children - taking care of NONE of them - ALL on taxpayer assistance.... and NO ONE says or does anything about the fact they keep having children!!

My daughter in law is an MD and my daughter is a DPT and both say you ought to climb back under the racist rock you climbed out of. Do us all a favor a lead a secession of southern states would you.

Indeed it seems as you should. For assuming I was talking about black people.
Shame on you.
They are black/white... drug abuse does not discriminate.

 

[Blues Man]

...Sadly in our country too many resources go into the elderly and not enough resources go into the young.

Good Lord is it possible you could be any more wrong?? Or anyone be anymore wrong??
I will let you ruminate on that one a bit more and give you a second chance to think that one through.
Holy cow.

In terms of healthcare I’m not wrong at all. We spend way too much money on extending the lives of the elderly a few short years.

Can't be true if your country's life expectancy is quite a distance below that of the world's leading democracies!
That should make you aware of how wrong your mentality of greed really is!
And your country's infant mortality rate is not even on par with those countries.

'THOSE' countries you people refer to as socialist or communist!

Out infant mortality rate has more to do with failure of minorities to get pre-natal care, drug abuse and alcoholism. That's is something which other countries do not have to deal.

Absolutely.
My son is a Respiratory Specialist at a leading Childrens Hospital. If it wasn't for drug related preemies and "drug babies"...their hospital would literally be half empty. And of course, ALL of these massive health cost are paid for by taxpayer dollars.
It is stunning to me how so many drug infested low lifes can have multiple children - taking care of NONE of them - ALL on taxpayer assistance.... and NO ONE says or does anything about the fact they keep having children!!

My daughter in law is an MD and my daughter is a DPT and both say you ought to climb back under the racist rock you climbed out of. Do us all a favor a lead a secession of southern states would you.

Indeed it seems as you should. For assuming I was talking about black people.
Shame on you.
They are black/white... drug abuse does not discriminate.

drug addiction is a choice like everything else.

I have first hand experience with addicts. My father died a raging alcoholic when I was 8 and my mother died of a heroin overdose when I was 14 and my mother made excuses 24\7 why she would not go to rehab.

 

[Donald H]

There's no question that government run universal health care is the only answer for America. When are Americans going to demand that the punishment dealt out by by insurance companies be stopped.

This single issue is the most available remedy that can start to change everything for workiing class Americans, and break the hold the very wealthy have on your country.

It has to be either corrupt politicians being bought and sold by lobbying that maintains the hold the very wealthy have on the entire system or universal government administered health care for all.

The very wealthy completely understand that once the people experience freedom with good high quality health care for all, there will be nothing to hold back the dam breaking!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Apparently not.

Explain how gerrymandering applies to your comment, please.

I can help with that admiral. Gerrymandering leads to more candidate being elected who are beholden to government that's beholden to the corporations. And big corporations are preventing a change to universal health care for all..

As I predicted, wrong answer!

 

[Donald H]

As I predicted, wrong answer!

The question on America's health care system is settled Admiral.
And it's failed and it's over.

Why would any American try to defend the status quo?

 

[progressive hunter]

As I predicted, wrong answer!

The question on America's health care system is settled Admiral.
And it's failed and it's over.

Why would any American try to defend the status quo?

we defend it because we dont want the government involved in our healthcare,,,