CDZ Why I support Universal healthcare, and why I don't.

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

As I predicted, wrong answer!

The question on America's health care system is settled Admiral.
And it's failed and it's over.

Why would any American try to defend the status quo?

Listen up! I have stage IV liver failure, Type 2 diabetes, and coronary artery disease. my insurance works just great. Settled? You know nothing!

 

[Donald H]

we defend it because we dont want the government involved in our healthcare,,,

Yes, I know. And so maybe that could be our common ground for an expanded discussion that rises above the spamming of both sides.

My submission is that private companies could do the job competitively if it wasn't for dishonesty and greed, but that hasn't been possible. Has it?

We can agree at least that the American system has failed the people, can't we? Can you suggest how it can be fixed to make it work?

And fwiw, I can understand how corrupt government would fail to produce that which the world's leading countries already have.

 

[Donald H]

Listen up! I have stage IV liver failure, Type 2 diabetes, and coronary artery disease. my insurance works just great. Settled? You know nothing!

Why would you suggest I know nothing? I know that you are satisfied with your insurance coverage and the high quality of health care America is providing for you.

And I also know that all the people deserve the same.

I only suspect that it would be the right time to accept that is true, considering you own personal health pending.

 

[progressive hunter]

we defend it because we dont want the government involved in our healthcare,,,

Yes, I know. And so maybe that could be our common ground for an expanded discussion that rises above the spamming of both sides.

My submission is that private companies could do the job competitively if it wasn't for dishonesty and greed, but that hasn't been possible. Has it?

We can agree at least that the American system has failed the people, can't we? Can you suggest how it can be fixed to make it work?

And fwiw, I can understand how corrupt government would fail to produce that which the world's leading countries already have.

youre forgetting that its the government that set pricing standards that took away competition,,,

if they just did the two things that they have authority to do which is allow across state lines purchases of ins. and loser pays in tort reform that would have a huge effect to lowering prices and make it more competitive,,

 

[Donald H]

youre forgetting that its the government that set pricing standards that took away competition,,,

I'm not forgetting anything, I didn't know it to be able to forget it!
But with caution I take your word for it being true.
In Canada it's not nearly so much in government not allowing private companies to compete, it's that government has set prices they can't compete with.

if they just did the two things that they have authority to do which is allow across state lines purchases of ins. and loser pays in tort reform that would have a huge effect to lowering prices and make it more competitive,,

Who's they? Private insurance companies will never make adjustments to the system that will inversely effect their bottom line profit.

It's useless to continue to talk about that which isn't working and shows no potential of ever working.

Maybe the first step for America is attaining good government, then that government gets into health care? It's just that to become good government, one of the first steps is providing good universal health care for all the people.

Frankly, I think one of the big blockers for it is in the resentment felt by Americans for the black people who will benefit the most.

If you think you don't need better than maybe you don't. Do you?

 

[progressive hunter]

youre forgetting that its the government that set pricing standards that took away competition,,,

I'm not forgetting anything, I didn't know it to be able to forget it!
But with caution I take your word for it being true.
In Canada it's not nearly so much in government not allowing private companies to compete, it's that government has set prices they can't compete with.

if they just did the two things that they have authority to do which is allow across state lines purchases of ins. and loser pays in tort reform that would have a huge effect to lowering prices and make it more competitive,,

Who's they? Private insurance companies will never make adjustments to the system that will inversely effect their bottom line profit.

It's useless to continue to talk about that which isn't working and shows no potential of ever working.

Maybe the first step for America is attaining good government, then that government gets into health care? It's just that to become good government, one of the first steps is providing good universal health care for all the people.

Frankly, I think one of the big blockers for it is in the resentment felt by Americans for the black people who will benefit the most.

If you think you don't need better than maybe you don't. Do you?

"they" are the fed government,,,

and it doesnt matter how good the government is the feds dont have authority to be involved in my private healthcare other than the two things I listed,,,

why are you bringing race into it???

 

[Donald H]

youre forgetting that its the government that set pricing standards that took away competition,,,

I'm not forgetting anything, I didn't know it to be able to forget it!
But with caution I take your word for it being true.
In Canada it's not nearly so much in government not allowing private companies to compete, it's that government has set prices they can't compete with.

if they just did the two things that they have authority to do which is allow across state lines purchases of ins. and loser pays in tort reform that would have a huge effect to lowering prices and make it more competitive,,

Who's they? Private insurance companies will never make adjustments to the system that will inversely effect their bottom line profit.

It's useless to continue to talk about that which isn't working and shows no potential of ever working.

Maybe the first step for America is attaining good government, then that government gets into health care? It's just that to become good government, one of the first steps is providing good universal health care for all the people.

Frankly, I think one of the big blockers for it is in the resentment felt by Americans for the black people who will benefit the most.

If you think you don't need better than maybe you don't. Do you?

"they" are the fed government,,,

and it doesnt matter how good the government is the feds dont have authority to be involved in my private healthcare other than the two things I listed,,,

why are you bringing race into it???

It's self-explanatory for all that can read and understand.

Once again: resentment of blacks benefitting the most is likely a big part of why it's not happening.

 

[progressive hunter]

youre forgetting that its the government that set pricing standards that took away competition,,,

I'm not forgetting anything, I didn't know it to be able to forget it!
But with caution I take your word for it being true.
In Canada it's not nearly so much in government not allowing private companies to compete, it's that government has set prices they can't compete with.

if they just did the two things that they have authority to do which is allow across state lines purchases of ins. and loser pays in tort reform that would have a huge effect to lowering prices and make it more competitive,,

Who's they? Private insurance companies will never make adjustments to the system that will inversely effect their bottom line profit.

It's useless to continue to talk about that which isn't working and shows no potential of ever working.

Maybe the first step for America is attaining good government, then that government gets into health care? It's just that to become good government, one of the first steps is providing good universal health care for all the people.

Frankly, I think one of the big blockers for it is in the resentment felt by Americans for the black people who will benefit the most.

If you think you don't need better than maybe you don't. Do you?

"they" are the fed government,,,

and it doesnt matter how good the government is the feds dont have authority to be involved in my private healthcare other than the two things I listed,,,

why are you bringing race into it???

It's self-explanatory for all that can read and understand.

Once again: resentment of blacks benefitting the most is likely a big part of why it's not happening.

thats a very racist thing for you to say,,,

 

[Sactowndog]

...Sadly in our country too many resources go into the elderly and not enough resources go into the young.

Good Lord is it possible you could be any more wrong?? Or anyone be anymore wrong??
I will let you ruminate on that one a bit more and give you a second chance to think that one through.
Holy cow.

In terms of healthcare I’m not wrong at all. We spend way too much money on extending the lives of the elderly a few short years.

Can't be true if your country's life expectancy is quite a distance below that of the world's leading democracies!
That should make you aware of how wrong your mentality of greed really is!
And your country's infant mortality rate is not even on par with those countries.

'THOSE' countries you people refer to as socialist or communist!

Out infant mortality rate has more to do with failure of minorities to get pre-natal care, drug abuse and alcoholism. That's is something which other countries do not have to deal.

Absolutely.
My son is a Respiratory Specialist at a leading Childrens Hospital. If it wasn't for drug related preemies and "drug babies"...their hospital would literally be half empty. And of course, ALL of these massive health cost are paid for by taxpayer dollars.
It is stunning to me how so many drug infested low lifes can have multiple children - taking care of NONE of them - ALL on taxpayer assistance.... and NO ONE says or does anything about the fact they keep having children!!

My daughter in law is an MD and my daughter is a DPT and both say you ought to climb back under the racist rock you climbed out of. Do us all a favor a lead a secession of southern states would you.

Indeed it seems as you should. For assuming I was talking about black people.
Shame on you.
They are black/white... drug abuse does not discriminate.

To whom is your minority comment addressed to. Only Mexicans

 

[Sactowndog]

...Sadly in our country too many resources go into the elderly and not enough resources go into the young.

Good Lord is it possible you could be any more wrong?? Or anyone be anymore wrong??
I will let you ruminate on that one a bit more and give you a second chance to think that one through.
Holy cow.

In terms of healthcare I’m not wrong at all. We spend way too much money on extending the lives of the elderly a few short years.

Can't be true if your country's life expectancy is quite a distance below that of the world's leading democracies!
That should make you aware of how wrong your mentality of greed really is!
And your country's infant mortality rate is not even on par with those countries.

'THOSE' countries you people refer to as socialist or communist!

Out infant mortality rate has more to do with failure of minorities to get pre-natal care, drug abuse and alcoholism. That's is something which other countries do not have to deal.

Absolutely.
My son is a Respiratory Specialist at a leading Childrens Hospital. If it wasn't for drug related preemies and "drug babies"...their hospital would literally be half empty. And of course, ALL of these massive health cost are paid for by taxpayer dollars.
It is stunning to me how so many drug infested low lifes can have multiple children - taking care of NONE of them - ALL on taxpayer assistance.... and NO ONE says or does anything about the fact they keep having children!!

My daughter in law is an MD and my daughter is a DPT and both say you ought to climb back under the racist rock you climbed out of. Do us all a favor a lead a secession of southern states would you.

Indeed it seems as you should. For assuming I was talking about black people.
Shame on you.
They are black/white... drug abuse does not discriminate.

drug addiction is a choice like everything else.

I have first hand experience with addicts. My father died a raging alcoholic when I was 8 and my mother died of a heroin overdose when I was 14 and my mother made excuses 24\7 why she would not go to rehab.

Well my mom consults globally on drug addiction and I can assure it’s not just a choice. Addiction causes real physical changes in the brain that makes getting the right kind of help.

that being said, I am truly sorry for your upbringing. That life must have been terribly challenging. If you have become a functional adult I salute you. I hope you have been able to get some counseling to deal with all the trauma that upbringing will certainly have caused.

 

[Hang on Sloopy]

...Sadly in our country too many resources go into the elderly and not enough resources go into the young.

Good Lord is it possible you could be any more wrong?? Or anyone be anymore wrong??
I will let you ruminate on that one a bit more and give you a second chance to think that one through.
Holy cow.

In terms of healthcare I’m not wrong at all. We spend way too much money on extending the lives of the elderly a few short years.

Can't be true if your country's life expectancy is quite a distance below that of the world's leading democracies!
That should make you aware of how wrong your mentality of greed really is!
And your country's infant mortality rate is not even on par with those countries.

'THOSE' countries you people refer to as socialist or communist!

Out infant mortality rate has more to do with failure of minorities to get pre-natal care, drug abuse and alcoholism. That's is something which other countries do not have to deal.

And how do you explain away the other facts in this post like un-managed asthma and un-managed diabetes? Or are you just another southern racist blaming it on “minorities” No rational un-biased person doing modern benchmarking can conclude anything other than our healthcare being a disaster. View attachment 437033

The state of health for minorities all over is just abysmal. Fucking abysmal. It drags us way down,

When I compare anything to anything I need to see the Caucasian statistics first then the rest later. Always a huge drop when comparing the 2. The country's you selectively select are way smaller and white mostly.

My God what a horrific analysis.

 

[alpine]

...Sadly in our country too many resources go into the elderly and not enough resources go into the young.

Good Lord is it possible you could be any more wrong?? Or anyone be anymore wrong??
I will let you ruminate on that one a bit more and give you a second chance to think that one through.
Holy cow.

In terms of healthcare I’m not wrong at all. We spend way too much money on extending the lives of the elderly a few short years.

Can't be true if your country's life expectancy is quite a distance below that of the world's leading democracies!
That should make you aware of how wrong your mentality of greed really is!
And your country's infant mortality rate is not even on par with those countries.

'THOSE' countries you people refer to as socialist or communist!

Out infant mortality rate has more to do with failure of minorities to get pre-natal care, drug abuse and alcoholism. That's is something which other countries do not have to deal.

Absolutely.
My son is a Respiratory Specialist at a leading Childrens Hospital. If it wasn't for drug related preemies and "drug babies"...their hospital would literally be half empty. And of course, ALL of these massive health cost are paid for by taxpayer dollars.
It is stunning to me how so many drug infested low lifes can have multiple children - taking care of NONE of them - ALL on taxpayer assistance.... and NO ONE says or does anything about the fact they keep having children!!

"It is stunning to me how so many drug infested low lifes can have multiple children - taking care of NONE of them - ALL on taxpayer assistance.... and NO ONE says or does anything about the fact they keep having children!!"

thanks to fundamentalist religious fanatics called "republicans" and their agenda to end the planned parenthood...

it is meaningful how they are the same people denying these babies the care they need, not interested in spending a dime...

they force them into life as they are and leave them to suffer for their short lives in this life...

how more evil does it get really, i wonder...

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Listen up! I have stage IV liver failure, Type 2 diabetes, and coronary artery disease. my insurance works just great. Settled? You know nothing!

Why would you suggest I know nothing? I know that you are satisfied with your insurance coverage and the high quality of health care America is providing for you.

And I also know that all the people deserve the same.

I only suspect that it would be the right time to accept that is true, considering you own personal health pending.

I studied hard in school and got a decent job with benefits. If someone did not, that is their problem!

 

[Donald H]

Listen up! I have stage IV liver failure, Type 2 diabetes, and coronary artery disease. my insurance works just great. Settled? You know nothing!

Why would you suggest I know nothing? I know that you are satisfied with your insurance coverage and the high quality of health care America is providing for you.

And I also know that all the people deserve the same.

I only suspect that it would be the right time to accept that is true, considering you own personal health pending.

I studied hard in school and got a decent job with benefits. If someone did not, that is their problem!

I did well too.

I don't doubt that your attitude is America's attitude toward others who are less fortunate. You're saying that if millions of Americans don't have health care that meets first world standards, then it's their fault for not studying and working hard.

So about all I can say to you is that we Canadians don't take that same attitude toward our fellow citizens. You can decide who's right and who's wrong.

As the situation exists right now, I think Americans are very divided on the question.

 

[Donald H]

thanks to fundamentalist religious fanatics called "republicans" and their agenda to end the planned parenthood...

it is meaningful how they are the same people denying these babies the care they need, not interested in spending a dime...

they force them into life as they are and leave them to suffer for their short lives in this life...

how more evil does it get really, i wonder...

The situation exists in America and that can explain why I keep mentioning America's quality of life having dropped to 15th. in the world. It's not that the facts are being denied with much commitment, it's the lack of the social responsibility to do something to change it.

There's our Admiral's attitude that he makes abundantly clear that those who are the 'have-nots' are lazy and who didn't study or work hard enough.

Is that the evil you have mentioned?

 

[Donald H]

...Sadly in our country too many resources go into the elderly and not enough resources go into the young.

Good Lord is it possible you could be any more wrong?? Or anyone be anymore wrong??
I will let you ruminate on that one a bit more and give you a second chance to think that one through.
Holy cow.

In terms of healthcare I’m not wrong at all. We spend way too much money on extending the lives of the elderly a few short years.

Can't be true if your country's life expectancy is quite a distance below that of the world's leading democracies!
That should make you aware of how wrong your mentality of greed really is!
And your country's infant mortality rate is not even on par with those countries.

'THOSE' countries you people refer to as socialist or communist!

Out infant mortality rate has more to do with failure of minorities to get pre-natal care, drug abuse and alcoholism. That's is something which other countries do not have to deal.

And how do you explain away the other facts in this post like un-managed asthma and un-managed diabetes? Or are you just another southern racist blaming it on “minorities” No rational un-biased person doing modern benchmarking can conclude anything other than our healthcare being a disaster. View attachment 437033

The state of health for minorities all over is just abysmal. Fucking abysmal. It drags us way down,

When I compare anything to anything I need to see the Caucasian statistics first then the rest later. Always a huge drop when comparing the 2. The country's you selectively select are way smaller and white mostly.

My God what a horrific analysis.

Are you suggesting that those leading democracies don't care for their non-white minorities, concerning their health care?
If you are then you would be wrong, but understandable in that you would be trying to invent an excuse for America.

From a Canadian's POV, you're definitely wrong on Canada. As a general rule we provide better for our minorities in many different ways. But not health care because we don't recognize any racial differences in the care that's afforded to our citizens.

 

[progressive hunter]

we dont consider them minorities that need taken care of because the are people very capable of taking care of themselves if you let them,,

 

[Donald H]

we dont consider them minorities that need taken care of because the are people very capable of taking care of themselves if you let them,,

I disagree. Many citizens in America of all races, are not capable of taking care of themselves to a standard that is considered acceptable in Canada or the other leading democracies of the world.

But I fully understand that many Americans agree with your assertion that everybody needs to be responsible in all ways for all of their needs.

Americans in large part are not in disagreement with their country's 15th. place on 'quality of life'. They just suggest that the poor who have contributed to that sad statistic, are to blame for not working hard enough. Have I got that right?

We really have nothing on which we disagree, unless it could be that you don't accept that America has fallen to 15th. Is that good enough? Some Americans have already suggested that it is. Or in other words, why help people that are to blame for their poverty?

I'm happy to carry on a conversation with you but I will continue to report your behaviour that is violating the rules of the CDZ. I would expect you would do likewise for me.

 

[progressive hunter]

we dont consider them minorities that need taken care of because the are people very capable of taking care of themselves if you let them,,

I disagree. Many citizens in America of all races, are not capable of taking care of themselves to a standard that is considered acceptable in Canada or the other leading democracies of the world.

But I fully understand that many Americans agree with your assertion that everybody needs to be responsible in all ways for all of their needs.

Americans in large part are not in disagreement with their country's 15th. place on 'quality of life'. They just suggest that the poor who have contributed to that sad statistic, are to blame for not working hard enough. Have I got that right?

We really have nothing on which we disagree, unless it could be that you don't accept that America has fallen to 15th. Is that good enough? Some Americans have already suggested that it is. Or in other words, why help people that are to blame for their poverty?

I'm happy to carry on a conversation with you but I will continue to report your behaviour that is violating the rules of the CDZ. I would expect you would do likewise for me.

of course some people need help from time to time

but you said minorities need not just taken care of but special things only for them,, thats race based and also racist,,

report me all you want, but its a false report cause you have repeatedly said racist things and based government action on race,,, thats racist,,

 

[iamwhatiseem]

we dont consider them minorities that need taken care of because the are people very capable of taking care of themselves if you let them,,

WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER!!!!

What has set the black race behind in America today, has absolutely ZERO to do with slavery and past racism that existed many, many years ago.
HOWEVER - the black race is plagued by liberal social programs from the 1960s - 1980s.
Blacks were rounded up, housed in meager mass housing units - all carefully placed away from white neighborhoods and jobs... built them their own schools to go to - and then gave them just enough money to survive on. Like this was going to work. What it did was EXACTLY what Republican law makers said at the time... generational poverty. Give people a place to stay, enough money to live on - no strings attached... and no matter what their race is - you are going to build a very large permanent dependent culture.
PERIOD.
Catastrophic liberal social programs are what has set the black race so far behind today, and KEEPS THEM BEHIND.
THIS IS THE ONLY SYSTEMIC RACISM THAT EXIST IN AMERICA.
And this doesn't include the moronic "everyone should go to college" programs where they dumb down the requirements in order to keep acceptable numbers of black students regardless of the fact they are failing overwhelmingly. NOOOO = don't do a damn thing to try and IMPROVE their situations... just keep excusing/lowering bars/free shit to keep them down and dependent on the rest of society.