CDZ Why I support Universal healthcare, and why I don't.

I can't say I would put things the way you do... but for sure there is a good deal of truth in your post here.
Perot killed Bush Sr. 2nd run though. We may never had the Clinton 8 years if Perot wouldn't have ran. And I liked Perot to an extent... he did at least tell the truth most of the time.

That fails to make any point against what I've said.

Obama was a Manchurian candidate. He was the product of Ted Kennedy. Without him, we would have never heard of him. Ted could never run for President due to basically murdering someone in his past, along with alcoholism and a plethora of other skeletons. His idea was to place a puppet in the White House so he and fellow Democrats could do what they willed. Problem was.... he died. And then came Pelosi. And that changed everything. She had/has half the intelligence as Kennedy and is whacked.
What the fk are you on about?
The Republican Party was broken and bruised post Bush II. So there was no one to run against Obama.
That could be!

If you can't put things the way I do then maybe you can come up with something to say on how you 'would' put things. Are you even aware of what I've been talking about??
 
Actually, they thought nothing of the sort.

In 2008, Mitt Romney was a major contender for president and in 2012 he got the nomination. The idea that you guys were totally against it is kind of silly.

Heck, let's not forget, the original idea for expanding private insurance came from the Heritage Foundation as a counter-proposal to HillaryCare.
Have you read the Heritage idea?
Romney was NEVER a popular candidate with anyone except media whores. Neither was Bush, (any of them) or McLame. These turds were chosen to lose to the media's democrook choice. Bush 41 only won on Reagan's coat tails and his opponent was as much of a buffoon as Biden. He lost in 92 to a cult of personality. Then Dull Bob Dole was picked to lose. In 2000 we could have had the first REAL black president had Alan Keyes been coached by Trump and talked just enough shit to rile up the bed wetters and get the attention he should have gotten. I will never forget the debate I watched with Keyes, Bush43 and McLame. It was a total shit show with Larry King ignoring Keyes, and all of the issues that actually mattered in order to focus on insipid shit between the RINOs.

Then we had the ridiculous Kerry campaign. I still can't believe the media ran a cartoon character but it was obvious the GOP wanted to lose in 2008 no matter what. Fred Thompson would have turned the nation around, but we ended up with the media's beloved McLame who did exactly what he was told and deliberately lost.

So we got a meat puppet faggot, who was probably still better than hitlary but only because he was an incompetent stuttering dipshit. Hitlary would have been worse than obozo, that sociopath K-Hunt would have finished the UN Agenda, obozo was just concerned about aggrandizing himself and his wookie fudge packer. The media of course destroyed every candidate that opposed the meat puppet faggot in 2012 especially Herman Cain, who also could have saved this country. The media destroyed every republicrat candidate as they rose to, the top of the pile one by one until no one was left besides that pathetic piece of shit Romney.

The entire point of the leftist media's duty was to get a leftist government in place that would take over or otherwise destroy one of the largest global industries in the effort to control the population. They got that with the meat puppet faggot, McLame did his duty as a treasonous piece of globalist shit to prevent the reversal and I hope his death was painful and that stalin is skull fucking him in hell.


I can't say I would put things the way you do... but for sure there is a good deal of truth in your post here.
Perot killed Bush Sr. 2nd run though. We may never had the Clinton 8 years if Perot wouldn't have ran. And I liked Perot to an extent... he did at least tell the truth most of the time.


That fails to make any point against what I've said.

Obama was a Manchurian candidate. He was the product of Ted Kennedy. Without him, we would have never heard of him. Ted could never run for President due to basically murdering someone in his past, along with alcoholism and a plethora of other skeletons. His idea was to place a puppet in the White House so he and fellow Democrats could do what they willed. Problem was.... he died. And then came Pelosi. And that changed everything. She had/has half the intelligence as Kennedy and is whacked.
What the fk are you on about?
The Republican Party was broken and bruised post Bush II. So there was no one to run against Obama.
That could be!

If you can't put things the way I do then maybe you can come up with something to say on how you 'would' put things. Are you even aware of what I've been talking about??

You quoted the wrong person
 
You quoted the wrong person
I think I've fixed it. The failure of most people to delete the string of quotes in their replies is the problem we're having. If you've said anything that you consier needs a reply by me, let me know.
 
The only people with quality healthcare that's affordable will be the ruling class and former elected officials...everyone else will be mandated to get their healthcare insurance from one place....no checks or balances....no petitioning of rulings and payment percentages...everyone will be fitted into the same sorry system turning our hospitals into 3rd world hell holes run by government bureaucrats....do not ever let this happen....
 
The only people with quality healthcare that's affordable will be the ruling class and former elected officials...everyone else will be mandated to get their healthcare insurance from one place....no checks or balances....no petitioning of rulings and payment percentages...everyone will be fitted into the same sorry system turning our hospitals into 3rd world hell holes run by government bureaucrats....do not ever let this happen....
A worthwhile contribution to the discussion! It can't be a bad thing to exaggerate somewhat to make the point worth making.
 
The only people with quality healthcare that's affordable will be the ruling class and former elected officials...everyone else will be mandated to get their healthcare insurance from one place....no checks or balances....no petitioning of rulings and payment percentages...everyone will be fitted into the same sorry system turning our hospitals into 3rd world hell holes run by government bureaucrats....do not ever let this happen....
A worthwhile contribution to the discussion! It can't be a bad thing to exaggerate somewhat to make the point worth making.
Is it an exaggeration?...don't we have the evidence to study?...I think we do....the best way to ensure people health wise is to let the free market work and to keep it as far away from any government as we can...like employer based health insurance...and group coverage for self employed with a catch net plan for people that can't work completely untouched by sticky government fingers....
 
Sadly in our country too many resources go into the elderly and not enough resources go into the young.
thats disgusting,,,

I’m not advocating market based medicine. I am just describing what a real market based medical system would look like as I see it everyday in Veterinary Medicine. A “market” based healthcare system is an option but if people understood it, it’s not very pretty.
to look at it anyway other than a healthcare system is diluting what its intended for,,

Plenty on here have advocated for a “market” based healthcare system. I maintain they have no idea what they are really advocating. That being said resources are not endless and any system, be it government regulated/provided or market based has to decide how much and how to allocate resources.

surely you don’t believe in unlimited resources??
so far our resources are unlimited,,, the only real problem we have is the government restricting them like they did with hospitals in the medicaid act,,

well that opinion explains why we have a 2T debt.
 
...Sadly in our country too many resources go into the elderly and not enough resources go into the young.
Good Lord is it possible you could be any more wrong?? Or anyone be anymore wrong??
I will let you ruminate on that one a bit more and give you a second chance to think that one through.
Holy cow.

In terms of healthcare I’m not wrong at all. We spend way too much money on extending the lives of the elderly a few short years.
 
...Sadly in our country too many resources go into the elderly and not enough resources go into the young.
Good Lord is it possible you could be any more wrong?? Or anyone be anymore wrong??
I will let you ruminate on that one a bit more and give you a second chance to think that one through.
Holy cow.

In terms of healthcare I’m not wrong at all. We spend way too much money on extending the lives of the elderly a few short years.
Wrong again.
Most of that money comes from them. Most people in Nursing homes pay for that care through signing over all of their assets.
Many-many-many-many people save money all of their lives. Only to have that money snuffed out in a matter of a few months because they didn't sign a DNR
 
The only people with quality healthcare that's affordable will be the ruling class and former elected officials...everyone else will be mandated to get their healthcare insurance from one place....no checks or balances....no petitioning of rulings and payment percentages...everyone will be fitted into the same sorry system turning our hospitals into 3rd world hell holes run by government bureaucrats....do not ever let this happen....

Given how healthcare has better outcomes and people spend less per capita in almost every other advanced country, how do you justify your claim other than resorting to made up facts?
 
Sadly in our country too many resources go into the elderly and not enough resources go into the young.
thats disgusting,,,

I’m not advocating market based medicine. I am just describing what a real market based medical system would look like as I see it everyday in Veterinary Medicine. A “market” based healthcare system is an option but if people understood it, it’s not very pretty.
to look at it anyway other than a healthcare system is diluting what its intended for,,

Plenty on here have advocated for a “market” based healthcare system. I maintain they have no idea what they are really advocating. That being said resources are not endless and any system, be it government regulated/provided or market based has to decide how much and how to allocate resources.

surely you don’t believe in unlimited resources??
so far our resources are unlimited,,, the only real problem we have is the government restricting them like they did with hospitals in the medicaid act,,

well that opinion explains why we have a 2T debt.
how so???

or am I right and all you have is insults??
 
...Sadly in our country too many resources go into the elderly and not enough resources go into the young.
Good Lord is it possible you could be any more wrong?? Or anyone be anymore wrong??
I will let you ruminate on that one a bit more and give you a second chance to think that one through.
Holy cow.

In terms of healthcare I’m not wrong at all. We spend way too much money on extending the lives of the elderly a few short years.
Wrong again.
Most of that money comes from them. Most people in Nursing homes pay for that care through signing over all of their assets.
Many-many-many-many people save money all of their lives. Only to have that money snuffed out in a matter of a few months because they didn't sign a DNR

I agree they use their assets also but Medicare picks up a fair share of that tab. We have horrible outcomes for the young
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so far our resources are unlimited,,, the only real problem we have is the government restricting them like they did with hospitals in the medicaid act,,

well that opinion explains why we have a 2T debt.
how so???

or am I right and all you have is insults??

well 2T in debt would indicate we don’t have unlimited resources or we wouldn’t be 2T in debt with a mounting deficit.

your, and others, apparent belief that unlimited resources includes borrowing with no end leads to large debt. If we can’t even agree that we don’t have unlimited resources than not much point in talking further.
 
The only people with quality healthcare that's affordable will be the ruling class and former elected officials...everyone else will be mandated to get their healthcare insurance from one place....no checks or balances....no petitioning of rulings and payment percentages...everyone will be fitted into the same sorry system turning our hospitals into 3rd world hell holes run by government bureaucrats....do not ever let this happen....
A worthwhile contribution to the discussion! It can't be a bad thing to exaggerate somewhat to make the point worth making.
Is it an exaggeration?...don't we have the evidence to study?...I think we do....the best way to ensure people health wise is to let the free market work and to keep it as far away from any government as we can...like employer based health insurance...and group coverage for self employed with a catch net plan for people that can't work completely untouched by sticky government fingers....
I think you're pretty close to being right but I don't consider shoving it down their throats as being a productive solution to the problems.

The Trump agenda as he stated it in 2016 was intended to deal with the issue wasn't it. Biden promises to deal with it too but even if he was intent on trying, he can't do anything significant. Corporate lobbying is much too powerful.
 
so far our resources are unlimited,,, the only real problem we have is the government restricting them like they did with hospitals in the medicaid act,,

well that opinion explains why we have a 2T debt.
how so???

or am I right and all you have is insults??

well 2T in debt would indicate we don’t have unlimited resources or we wouldn’t be 2T in debt with a mounting deficit.

your, and others, apparent belief that unlimited resources includes borrowing with no end leads to large debt. If we can’t even agree that we don’t have unlimited resources than not much point in talking further.
what 2T debt and who owes it???

I dont owe anything for my healthcare and money is not a medical resource,,
 
The only people with quality healthcare that's affordable will be the ruling class and former elected officials...everyone else will be mandated to get their healthcare insurance from one place....no checks or balances....no petitioning of rulings and payment percentages...everyone will be fitted into the same sorry system turning our hospitals into 3rd world hell holes run by government bureaucrats....do not ever let this happen....
A worthwhile contribution to the discussion! It can't be a bad thing to exaggerate somewhat to make the point worth making.
Is it an exaggeration?...don't we have the evidence to study?...I think we do....the best way to ensure people health wise is to let the free market work and to keep it as far away from any government as we can...like employer based health insurance...and group coverage for self employed with a catch net plan for people that can't work completely untouched by sticky government fingers....

So does that extend to not requiring hospital emergency rooms to treat the un-insured?
 
...Sadly in our country too many resources go into the elderly and not enough resources go into the young.
Good Lord is it possible you could be any more wrong?? Or anyone be anymore wrong??
I will let you ruminate on that one a bit more and give you a second chance to think that one through.
Holy cow.

In terms of healthcare I’m not wrong at all. We spend way too much money on extending the lives of the elderly a few short years.
Can't be true if your country's life expectancy is quite a distance below that of the world's leading democracies!
That should make you aware of how wrong your mentality of greed really is!
And your country's infant mortality rate is not even on par with those countries.

'THOSE' countries you people refer to as socialist or communist!
 
...Sadly in our country too many resources go into the elderly and not enough resources go into the young.
Good Lord is it possible you could be any more wrong?? Or anyone be anymore wrong??
I will let you ruminate on that one a bit more and give you a second chance to think that one through.
Holy cow.

In terms of healthcare I’m not wrong at all. We spend way too much money on extending the lives of the elderly a few short years.
Can't be true if your country's life expectancy is quite a distance below that of the world's leading democracies!
That should make you aware of how wrong your mentality of greed really is!
And your country's infant mortality rate is not even on par with those countries.

'THOSE' countries you people refer to as socialist or communist!

perhaps you missed I support a public option and Americans paying an equivalent amount for pharmaceuticals as the rest of the developed world.
 
Universal coverage can also include public/private partnerships, such as our current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage program, which could be tweaked to work for all Americans. It would also be individual and portable, include dynamic choice, free market competition and innovation, and take a massive cost monkey off the backs of American employers.

Right now, we have SIX (6) different healthcare delivery/payment systems, none of which communicates directly with the others:
  1. Medicare
  2. Medicaid
  3. VA
  4. Group
  5. Individual
  6. Indigent
I wonder how many people really think that's a smart "system".

Our system is undoubtedly broken and overly costly, but I don't think that handing complete control over to the government is the answer either. I wouldn't be opposed to a hybrid system that composed a public health insurance option for those who want it while still preserving private insurance options for those who still want that. However, the public system should be 100% funded and paid for. In fact, I think a completely new and separate tax attached to every transaction across the board with the money going into a dedicated health care fund (not the general fund where it can pissed away) would be a great way to do it. That way we all see on our receipts exactly how much it's costing us and every year Congress should be required to review the fund and either raise or lower the tax appropriately based on its solubility.
 
Universal coverage can also include public/private partnerships, such as our current Medicare / Medicare Supplement / Medicare Advantage program, which could be tweaked to work for all Americans. It would also be individual and portable, include dynamic choice, free market competition and innovation, and take a massive cost monkey off the backs of American employers.

Right now, we have SIX (6) different healthcare delivery/payment systems, none of which communicates directly with the others:
  1. Medicare
  2. Medicaid
  3. VA
  4. Group
  5. Individual
  6. Indigent
I wonder how many people really think that's a smart "system".

Our system is undoubtedly broken and overly costly, but I don't think that handing complete control over to the government is the answer either. I wouldn't be opposed to a hybrid system that composed a public health insurance option for those who want it while still preserving private insurance options for those who still want that. However, the public system should be 100% funded and paid for. In fact, I think a completely new and separate tax attached to every transaction across the board with the money going into a dedicated health care fund (not the general fund where it can pissed away) would be a great way to do it. That way we all see on our receipts exactly how much it's costing us and every year Congress should be required to review the fund and either raise or lower the tax appropriately based on its solubility.

Many of the same countries that have some form of UHC also have a consumption tax to pay for it. The problem as I see it with a financial transaction tax is that you are essentially taxing investments, and that ain't a good idea in a capitalist economy. And it ain't just the rich that would pay it either, anybody with a retirement account of some kind would also be paying it. And I highly doubt Congress will ever lower that tax rate, they'll just spend more money wherever they want to, they always do.
 

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