Why I Rejected 'Identity Politics' and 'White Nationalism'

[MarcATL]

How are you people defining so-called "identity politics?"

Isn't it all just politics?

Increasingly Americans are identifying politically, as Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Conservatives, Liberals and/or progressives.

And the politicians pander to those identities.

Do the posters in this thread have a problem with that fact?

 

[MacTheKnife]

How are you people defining so-called "identity politics?"

Isn't it all just politics?

Increasingly Americans are identifying politically, as Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Conservatives, Liberals and/or progressives.

And the politicians pander to those identities.

Do the posters in this thread have a problem with that fact?

The reason liberals and their running dogs whine about Identity Politics is that they are very fearful of white folk uniting.

 

[MarcATL]

The reason liberals and their running dogs whine about Identity Politics is that they are very fearful of white folk uniting.

The "Unite The Right" rhetoric notwithstanding...

The only people who even mention and/or use the term "identity politics" are self-professed conservatives and/or Republicans.

Didn't you start this thread Spruce?

 

[Mac1958]

Progressive.org is all in on Identity Politics.

At least they admit it.

Democrats Can’t Run from Identity Politics
.

 

[Mac1958]

Salon.com is all in on Identity Politics.

At least they admit it.

Should progressives abandon identity politics? No, a new report sug...
.

 

[Mac1958]

Vox.com is all in on Identity Politics.

At least they admit it.

2018 is the identity politics election
Why the nation's largest gathering of progressives embraced identity politics

.

 

[Mac1958]

ProgressiveArmy.com is all in on Identity Politics.

At least they admit it.

We Must Never Abandon Identity Politics
.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

The reason liberals and their running dogs whine about Identity Politics is that they are very fearful of white folk uniting.

The "Unite The Right" rhetoric notwithstanding...

The only people who even mention and/or use the term "identity politics" are self-professed conservatives and/or Republicans.

Didn't you start this thread Spruce?

I am neither .

I reject identity politics because it is tribal and illiberal. Political orientation SHOULD be based upon ideology and principle, not merely a set of double standards predicated upon fixed traits.

Identity politics killed the egalitarianism of liberalism and replaced it with an authoritarian system of privilege based upon any given tribe's ability to convince others it is a victim .

You are a racist black so embrace identity politics since it provides you privilege . I see everybody as worthy of the same rights, so I reject it.

 

[MarcATL]

I am neither .

I reject identity politics because it is tribal and illiberal. Political orientation SHOULD be based upon ideology and principle, not merely a set of double standards predicated upon fixed traits.

Identity politics killed the egalitarianism of liberalism and replaced it with an authoritarian system of privilege based upon any given tribe's ability to convince others it is a victim .

You are a racist black so embrace identity politics since it provides you privilege . I see everybody as worthy of the same rights, so I reject it.

That's nice, however, you ignored my original question...

How are [you] defining so-called "identity politics?"

Isn't it all just politics?

Increasingly Americans are identifying politically, as Republicans, Democrats, Independents, Conservatives, Liberals and/or progressives.

And the politicians pander to those identities.

Do [you] have a problem with that fact?

 

[MacTheKnife]

The problem is that minorities want to be the only ones allowed to practice 'identity poliltics'............they think all others(especially whites)should not be allowed to organize and identify with one another....just another one of the double standards practiced by blacks and their running dogs aka white liberals.


Why I Am (Among Other Things) a White Nationalist - American Renaissance

 

[Toro]

Identity politics sucks.

I’m very disappointed that the Republican Party is engaging in this, but the real culprit are the Democrats, who use it to divide us.

 

[blackhawk]

I consider all of this to be a self imposed form of segregation highly ironic given that was something the country has fought to overcome for decades. Now we lock ourselves off in our on little groups and give no consideration to those not in it what’s truly disturbing is how we do it so easily without a second thought.

 

[MacTheKnife]

The bottom line is simply this....we have always been divided and we will always be divided...which in and of itself is no problem as long as the power remains where it has always been and where it should be.....with ...the group that established this nation, has suffered thousands of casualties to defend it and the one who has made it great.

Unfortunately, white liberals are doing their best to turn this nation over and give the power to those who would and very likely may destroy it.

What motivates them?....white guilt(Urban Dictionary: white guilt) and a misplaced and mistaken desire to be morally superior....the liberals believe white people are evil and black people are the victims of the evil and racist whites. Thus they get a fallacious sense of moral superiority by promoting those who they mistakenly believe are oppressed.

They are able to maintain this fantasy simply because the mass media supports them.

Meanwhile.....back at the ranch................................many otherwise good white folks are clueless and too busy with life to really care what is happening...apparantly unconcerned how it will affect their children and or thinking there is nothing they can do....many of them do not even go to the trouble to vote.

The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting Program released its Hate Crime Statistics Report for 2016 which is a compilation of bias-motivated incidents that have been reported throughout the United States.

This latest report provides information on the offenses, victims, offenders and locations of hate crimes. The latest report, which reflects bias-related incidents reported for the year 2016, identifies 6,121 criminal incidents that were motivated by a bias toward race, ethnicity, ancestry, religion, sexual orientation, disability, gender or gender identity.



For the 2016 report, 15,254 law-enforcement agencies provided from one to 12 months of data on bias-motivated crimes. There were 1,776 agencies that reported one or more incidents, and the remaining agencies reported no bias-motivated incidents in their jurisdictions.

Here are the key takeaways:

In 2016, race was reported for 5,770 known hate crime offenders. Of these offenders:

• 46.3 percent were white.
• 26.1 percent were black or African American.
• 7.7 percent were of groups made up of individuals of various races (group of multiple races).
• 0.8 percent (46 offenders) were Asian.
• 0.8 percent (45 offenders) were American Indian or Alaska Native.
• 0.1 percent (7 offenders) were Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander.
• 18.1 percent were of unknown race or ethnicity.
• 6,063 of the 6,121 incidents reported were single-bias incidents.
• There were 58 incidents that involved multiple biases.

Once again we see black committing a disproportionate number of hate crimes....they are only 12 to 13 percent of the total pop. but committ 26.1 percent of the total hate crimes reported by the FBI.

It is most likely even worse than that since a lot of hate crimes committed by blacks are not reported and or if they are reported are often not included in the hate crime category as in the liberal and p.c. legal authorities are very reluctant to accuse blacks of hate crimes. For blacks to be accused of a hate crime it has to really be egregious as in outstandingly bad or shocking.

Black on White Crime Archives - American Renaissance

 

[Votto]

Not long ago I came to the realization that Identity Politics runs the political discourse and machinery of Western Civilization, if one can say it still exists in a Post-modern intellectual environment and exemplified by the Kate Steinle murder. So it would seem that white people should organize and represent themselves as have Hispanics, blacks, homosexuals, radicalized women, etc, or else we would be left with no place at the political table, not represented.

Seems to be a rational choice given the tribalism that runs our culture, but only if you are an 'oppressed minority', and that oppression might be at any time and any place. The primary consideration for tolerance of a group organizing is how well such a group fits into a Post-Modern, pseudo-Marxist agenda and narrative.

I have never been overly concerned with being viewed as a misfit or social reject as our society is run by people who are trying to destroy us as a culture and civilization by remaking it all into some monstrosity of Consumer driven Hedonism guided only by Narcissism. But I wanted to understand White Nationalism more deeply before I formally tossed my hat into that ring of ideological madness.

1) The first thing I learned is that White Nationalism stems from an adoption of Identity Politics as a world view, that ones group identity determines ones character and potential, which I cannot accept. Racialism of the WEB Du Bois sort is misleading in that there are other categorizations of the human species such as phenotype and somatotype that more accurately describe the health and mentality of an individual than racialism does, though Somatotype theory is rightly dismissed as an over-generalization of the human being even so.

Categorizing people by race makes as much sense as buying a new car based solely on the color of the paint job which is irrational to say the least.

2) But that Identity Politics and its attendant racialism is irrational should surprise no one since it is part of the broader Post-Modern movement which rejects rationality altogether.

While encompassing a wide variety of approaches, postmodernism is generally defined by an attitude of skepticism, irony, or rejection toward the meta-narratives and ideologies of modernism, often calling into question various assumptions of Enlightenment rationality.[5] Consequently, common targets of postmodern critique include universalist notions of objective reality, morality, truth, human nature, reason, language, and social progress.[5] Postmodern thinkers frequently call attention to the contingent or socially-conditioned nature of knowledge claims and value systems, situating them as products of particular political, historical, or cultural discourses and hierarchies.[5] Accordingly, postmodern thought is broadly characterized by tendencies to self-referentiality, epistemological and moral relativism, pluralism, subjectivism, and irreverence. - Postmodernism - Wikipedia​

The Disuniting of America: Reflections on a Multicultural Society is a 1991 book written by American historian Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr., a former advisor to the Kennedy and other US administrations and a winner of the Pulitzer Prize.

Schlesinger states that a new attitude, one that celebrates difference and abandons assimilation, may replace the classic image of the melting pot in which differences are submerged in democracy. He argues that ethnic awareness has had many positive consequences to unite a nation with a "history of prejudice." However, the "cult of ethnicity," if pushed too far, may endanger the unity of society.

According to Schlesinger, multiculturalists are "very often ethnocentric separatists who see little in the Western heritage other than Western crimes." Their "mood is one of divesting Americans of their sinful European inheritance and seeking redemptive infusions from non-Western cultures."[1] - The Disuniting of America - Wikipedia​

Linguist Noam Chomsky has argued that postmodernism is meaningless because it adds nothing to analytical or empirical knowledge. He asks why postmodernist intellectuals won't respond like people in other fields when asked:

Seriously, what are the principles of their theories, on what evidence are they based, what do they explain that wasn't already obvious, etc? These are fair requests for anyone to make. If they can't be met, then I'd suggest recourse to Hume's advice in similar circumstances: to the flames.[1]​

Christopher Hitchens in his book, Why Orwell Matters, writes, in advocating for simple, clear and direct expression of ideas, "The Postmodernists' tyranny wears people down by boredom and semi-literate prose."[2] Hitchens also criticized a postmodernist volume, "The Johns Hopkins Guide to Literary Theory and Criticism":[3] "The French, as it happens, once evolved an expression for this sort of prose: la langue de bois, the wooden tongue, in which nothing useful or enlightening can be said, but in which various excuses for the arbitrary and the dishonest can be offered. (This book) is a pointer to the abysmal state of mind that prevails in so many of our universities."

In a similar vein, Richard Dawkins writes in a favorable review of Alan Sokal and Jean Bricmont's Intellectual Impostures:[4]

Suppose you are an intellectual impostor with nothing to say, but with strong ambitions to succeed in academic life, collect a coterie of reverent disciples and have students around the world anoint your pages with respectful yellow highlighter. What kind of literary style would you cultivate? Not a lucid one, surely, for clarity would expose your lack of content.​

Dawkins then uses a quotation from Félix Guattari as an example of this "lack of content". - Criticism of postmodernism - Wikipedia​

This rejection of objectivity, morality, truth, reason and social progress is what is killing our civilization which makes anything associated with Post-modern thought a form of cultural suicide for any culture. So, in essence, an acceptance of White Nationalism is an indirect adoption of moral relativism, subjectivism, and irrationality as well as the fraud of racial thinking in general.

3) When I consider what is best for our culture, our nation and our progeny, things that are evolutionally valid considerations, I cannot accept the notion that we cannot improve our society and culture. I cannot accept the insanity of a subjective world view that creates only intellectual/moral chaos and mistrust. I cannot accept a world view that inevitably leads to cultural extinction and moral decay.

White Nationalism is just one more form of the Decadence that is the only true existential threat to our nation, our civilization and Humanity itself.

4) White Nationalism, as a part of the Identity Politics rubric of ideas, weakens the organized impact of the working class as a whole.

Historian Arthur Schlesinger Jr. discussed identity politics extensively in his 1991 book The Disuniting of America. Schlesinger, a strong supporter of liberal conceptions of civil rights, argues that a liberal democracy requires a common basis for culture and society to function. In his view, basing politics on group marginalization fractures the civil polity, and therefore works against creating real opportunities for ending marginalization. Schlesinger believes that "movements for civil rights should aim toward full acceptance and integration of marginalized groups into the mainstream culture, rather than...perpetuating that marginalization through affirmations of difference".[17]

Brendan O'Neill has contrasted the politics of gay liberation and identity politics by saying "... [Peter] Tatchell also had, back in the day, ... a commitment to the politics of liberation, which encouraged gays to come out and live and engage. Now, we have the politics of identity, which invites people to stay in, to look inward, to obsess over the body and the self, to surround themselves with a moral forcefield to protect their worldview—which has nothing to do with the world—from any questioning."[18]

Author Owen Jones argues that identity politics often marginalize the working class, saying that:

In the 1950s and 1960s, left-wing intellectuals who were both inspired and informed by a powerful labour movement wrote hundreds of books and articles on working-class issues. Such work would help shape the views of politicians at the very top of the Labour Party. Today, progressive intellectuals are far more interested in issues of identity. ... Of course, the struggles for the emancipation of women, gays, and ethnic minorities are exceptionally important causes. New Labour has co-opted them, passing genuinely progressive legislation on gay equality and women's rights, for example. But it is an agenda that has happily co-existed with the sidelining of the working class in politics, allowing New Labour to protect its radical flank while pressing ahead with Thatcherite policies.

— Owen Jones, Chavs: The Demonization of the Working Class[19]​

There is no redeeming feature to White Nationalism and it represents a step backwards for working class people of all races, genders and faiths.

I urge fellow patriots and civic Americans to fight Identity Politics in all its forms as much as they would fight Marxism or fascism.

This threat is very real and poses an existential threat far worse than any other of our time to include terrorism and environmental change. We can handle those problems if we remain rational and objective, but Identity Politics, White Nationalism, and Post-Modernism reject these tools to survive and would doom us all to eventual extinction.

There is much confusion about nationalism and white nationalism. White nationalism is a racist ideology as where nationalism is simply representing voters ahead of global interests.

Back in the day, white nationalism was used to expand the country of the US. Brown skinned Indians were seen as inferior, thus giving citizens the rationalization for taking their land and killing them off. It was because they were savages. Once they believed this, they could bypass their humanity in the name of conquest without a conscience bothering them about it.

But as for the American Indian, the tribes tried to join forces to fight off the invaders. It was either defend their national identity by fighting off the mass immigration or die. Yes, they were nationalists but it was not predicated on racism like the white nationalism was by the Europeans.

Today, America needs to secure its border, or perhaps go way of the American Indian. Are their white nationalists that join this movement? Yes, but they are by far a minority, making up under 5%.

I do not want to bust your bubble boyo ...particularly due to the fact that you are about half right and perhaps susceptible to learning some more truths.

According to many scholars of nationalism, race and racism are essential factors of the process of national idenity formation. There are many key and strong elements of racism in Nationalism. In fact Nationalism is a necessary condition for racism and in already constituted national states, nationalist movements camouflage racism. Many researchers understand that in general nationalism and racism are compellingly linked.

Due to decades of federal programming in our once vaunted public school system generations have been overwhelmingly indoctrinated into believing that racism is a great evil. Quite pathetic.

Anyhow....I do not want to get bogged down in definitions of racism etc. I just want to emphatically make the case that what we need in America today is white racial unity....like the negroes, the mexicans and the Jews have already. Because they are minorities this does not disturb the powers that be, the elitists and the establishment.

Again....White folk need to be racially united and they need to get out and vote in overwhelming numbers....we do not have long to save America...the odds are rather small that we will be able to do so due to demographic trends....but if in these next few years whilst white folks are still in the majority we have the capability if we choose to use it to take control of America and get it back on track.

Does any sane white person want to see their kids, grandkids or even great-grandkids be forced to live in a 3rd world country? That is where we are headed if white folk do not get involved and quit getting distracted by work, sports and other entertainment forms. Get off the couch, get educated, become politically and racially aware, join a milita, vote and help America be great again for all time.

The only time race is important is when it comes to two things, politics and the medical field. In the medical field, you have to look at a persons heredity to see what risks they have medically. However, politics is the art of division. Politics is about forming one group of people to subdue another. Race is simply a mindless way to create such divisions as most people seem to be mindless.

I realize that mankind has always been this way, so it stands to be that mankind will never change, but that does not mean I have to join in. I adamantly reject the notion of racial superiority, which I see from black and white on this site and it makes me physically ill.

Men that I look up to are men like Ben Carson. Here is a man who grew up black in the streets of Detroit. His world was a world dominated by poverty, crime and the politics of the democrat party. He should never have evaded all three, but he did. For you see, he chose education to crawl from the abyss and he used his critical thinking skills to overcome the pervasive bias against conservatism to become a conservative himself. Today, the majority in the black community now reject him because he made his stand. Now a school in Detroit named after him is going to take his name off that school because of his political stand. Ben Carson is part of the solution, not the problem. His race has nothing to do with it.

 

[MacTheKnife]

Not long ago I came to the realization that Identity Politics runs the political discourse and machinery of Western Civilization, if one can say it still exists in a Post-modern intellectual environment and exemplified by the Kate Steinle murder. So it would seem that white people should organize and represent themselves as have Hispanics, blacks, homosexuals, radicalized women, etc, or else we would be left with no place at the political table, not represented.

Seems to be a rational choice given the tribalism that runs our culture, but only if you are an 'oppressed minority', and that oppression might be at any time and any place. The primary consideration for tolerance of a group organizing is how well such a group fits into a Post-Modern, pseudo-Marxist agenda and narrative.

I have never been overly concerned with being viewed as a misfit or social reject as our society is run by people who are trying to destroy us as a culture and civilization by remaking it all into some monstrosity of Consumer driven Hedonism guided only by Narcissism. But I wanted to understand White Nationalism more deeply before I formally tossed my hat into that ring of ideological madness.

1) The first thing I learned is that White Nationalism stems from an adoption of Identity Politics as a world view, that ones group identity determines ones character and potential, which I cannot accept. Racialism of the WEB Du Bois sort is misleading in that there are other categorizations of the human species such as phenotype and somatotype that more accurately describe the health and mentality of an individual than racialism does, though Somatotype theory is rightly dismissed as an over-generalization of the human being even so.

Categorizing people by race makes as much sense as buying a new car based solely on the color of the paint job which is irrational to say the least.

2) But that Identity Politics and its attendant racialism is irrational should surprise no one since it is part of the broader Post-Modern movement which rejects rationality altogether.

While encompassing a wide variety of approaches, postmodernism is generally defined by an attitude of skepticism, irony, or rejection toward the meta-narratives and ideologies of modernism, often calling into question various assumptions of Enlightenment rationality.[5] Consequently, common targets of postmodern critique include universalist notions of objective reality, morality, truth, human nature, reason, language, and social progress.[5] Postmodern thinkers frequently call attention to the contingent or socially-conditioned nature of knowledge claims and value systems, situating them as products of particular political, historical, or cultural discourses and hierarchies.[5] Accordingly, postmodern thought is broadly characterized by tendencies to self-referentiality, epistemological and moral relativism, pluralism, subjectivism, and irreverence. - Postmodernism - Wikipedia​

The Disuniting of America: Reflections on a Multicultural Society is a 1991 book written by American historian Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr., a former advisor to the Kennedy and other US administrations and a winner of the Pulitzer Prize.

Schlesinger states that a new attitude, one that celebrates difference and abandons assimilation, may replace the classic image of the melting pot in which differences are submerged in democracy. He argues that ethnic awareness has had many positive consequences to unite a nation with a "history of prejudice." However, the "cult of ethnicity," if pushed too far, may endanger the unity of society.

According to Schlesinger, multiculturalists are "very often ethnocentric separatists who see little in the Western heritage other than Western crimes." Their "mood is one of divesting Americans of their sinful European inheritance and seeking redemptive infusions from non-Western cultures."[1] - The Disuniting of America - Wikipedia​

Linguist Noam Chomsky has argued that postmodernism is meaningless because it adds nothing to analytical or empirical knowledge. He asks why postmodernist intellectuals won't respond like people in other fields when asked:

Seriously, what are the principles of their theories, on what evidence are they based, what do they explain that wasn't already obvious, etc? These are fair requests for anyone to make. If they can't be met, then I'd suggest recourse to Hume's advice in similar circumstances: to the flames.[1]​

Christopher Hitchens in his book, Why Orwell Matters, writes, in advocating for simple, clear and direct expression of ideas, "The Postmodernists' tyranny wears people down by boredom and semi-literate prose."[2] Hitchens also criticized a postmodernist volume, "The Johns Hopkins Guide to Literary Theory and Criticism":[3] "The French, as it happens, once evolved an expression for this sort of prose: la langue de bois, the wooden tongue, in which nothing useful or enlightening can be said, but in which various excuses for the arbitrary and the dishonest can be offered. (This book) is a pointer to the abysmal state of mind that prevails in so many of our universities."

In a similar vein, Richard Dawkins writes in a favorable review of Alan Sokal and Jean Bricmont's Intellectual Impostures:[4]

Suppose you are an intellectual impostor with nothing to say, but with strong ambitions to succeed in academic life, collect a coterie of reverent disciples and have students around the world anoint your pages with respectful yellow highlighter. What kind of literary style would you cultivate? Not a lucid one, surely, for clarity would expose your lack of content.​

Dawkins then uses a quotation from Félix Guattari as an example of this "lack of content". - Criticism of postmodernism - Wikipedia​

This rejection of objectivity, morality, truth, reason and social progress is what is killing our civilization which makes anything associated with Post-modern thought a form of cultural suicide for any culture. So, in essence, an acceptance of White Nationalism is an indirect adoption of moral relativism, subjectivism, and irrationality as well as the fraud of racial thinking in general.

3) When I consider what is best for our culture, our nation and our progeny, things that are evolutionally valid considerations, I cannot accept the notion that we cannot improve our society and culture. I cannot accept the insanity of a subjective world view that creates only intellectual/moral chaos and mistrust. I cannot accept a world view that inevitably leads to cultural extinction and moral decay.

White Nationalism is just one more form of the Decadence that is the only true existential threat to our nation, our civilization and Humanity itself.

4) White Nationalism, as a part of the Identity Politics rubric of ideas, weakens the organized impact of the working class as a whole.

Historian Arthur Schlesinger Jr. discussed identity politics extensively in his 1991 book The Disuniting of America. Schlesinger, a strong supporter of liberal conceptions of civil rights, argues that a liberal democracy requires a common basis for culture and society to function. In his view, basing politics on group marginalization fractures the civil polity, and therefore works against creating real opportunities for ending marginalization. Schlesinger believes that "movements for civil rights should aim toward full acceptance and integration of marginalized groups into the mainstream culture, rather than...perpetuating that marginalization through affirmations of difference".[17]

Brendan O'Neill has contrasted the politics of gay liberation and identity politics by saying "... [Peter] Tatchell also had, back in the day, ... a commitment to the politics of liberation, which encouraged gays to come out and live and engage. Now, we have the politics of identity, which invites people to stay in, to look inward, to obsess over the body and the self, to surround themselves with a moral forcefield to protect their worldview—which has nothing to do with the world—from any questioning."[18]

Author Owen Jones argues that identity politics often marginalize the working class, saying that:

In the 1950s and 1960s, left-wing intellectuals who were both inspired and informed by a powerful labour movement wrote hundreds of books and articles on working-class issues. Such work would help shape the views of politicians at the very top of the Labour Party. Today, progressive intellectuals are far more interested in issues of identity. ... Of course, the struggles for the emancipation of women, gays, and ethnic minorities are exceptionally important causes. New Labour has co-opted them, passing genuinely progressive legislation on gay equality and women's rights, for example. But it is an agenda that has happily co-existed with the sidelining of the working class in politics, allowing New Labour to protect its radical flank while pressing ahead with Thatcherite policies.

— Owen Jones, Chavs: The Demonization of the Working Class[19]​

There is no redeeming feature to White Nationalism and it represents a step backwards for working class people of all races, genders and faiths.

I urge fellow patriots and civic Americans to fight Identity Politics in all its forms as much as they would fight Marxism or fascism.

This threat is very real and poses an existential threat far worse than any other of our time to include terrorism and environmental change. We can handle those problems if we remain rational and objective, but Identity Politics, White Nationalism, and Post-Modernism reject these tools to survive and would doom us all to eventual extinction.

There is much confusion about nationalism and white nationalism. White nationalism is a racist ideology as where nationalism is simply representing voters ahead of global interests.

Back in the day, white nationalism was used to expand the country of the US. Brown skinned Indians were seen as inferior, thus giving citizens the rationalization for taking their land and killing them off. It was because they were savages. Once they believed this, they could bypass their humanity in the name of conquest without a conscience bothering them about it.

But as for the American Indian, the tribes tried to join forces to fight off the invaders. It was either defend their national identity by fighting off the mass immigration or die. Yes, they were nationalists but it was not predicated on racism like the white nationalism was by the Europeans.

Today, America needs to secure its border, or perhaps go way of the American Indian. Are their white nationalists that join this movement? Yes, but they are by far a minority, making up under 5%.

I do not want to bust your bubble boyo ...particularly due to the fact that you are about half right and perhaps susceptible to learning some more truths.

According to many scholars of nationalism, race and racism are essential factors of the process of national idenity formation. There are many key and strong elements of racism in Nationalism. In fact Nationalism is a necessary condition for racism and in already constituted national states, nationalist movements camouflage racism. Many researchers understand that in general nationalism and racism are compellingly linked.

Due to decades of federal programming in our once vaunted public school system generations have been overwhelmingly indoctrinated into believing that racism is a great evil. Quite pathetic.

Anyhow....I do not want to get bogged down in definitions of racism etc. I just want to emphatically make the case that what we need in America today is white racial unity....like the negroes, the mexicans and the Jews have already. Because they are minorities this does not disturb the powers that be, the elitists and the establishment.

Again....White folk need to be racially united and they need to get out and vote in overwhelming numbers....we do not have long to save America...the odds are rather small that we will be able to do so due to demographic trends....but if in these next few years whilst white folks are still in the majority we have the capability if we choose to use it to take control of America and get it back on track.

Does any sane white person want to see their kids, grandkids or even great-grandkids be forced to live in a 3rd world country? That is where we are headed if white folk do not get involved and quit getting distracted by work, sports and other entertainment forms. Get off the couch, get educated, become politically and racially aware, join a milita, vote and help America be great again for all time.

The only time race is important is when it comes to two things, politics and the medical field. In the medical field, you have to look at a persons heredity to see what risks they have medically. However, politics is the art of division. Politics is about forming one group of people to subdue another. Race is simply a mindless way to create such divisions as most people seem to be mindless.

I realize that mankind has always been this way, so it stands to be that mankind will never change, but that does not mean I have to join in. I adamantly reject the notion of racial superiority, which I see from black and white on this site and it makes me physically ill.

Men that I look up to are men like Ben Carson. Here is a man who grew up black in the streets of Detroit. His world was a world dominated by poverty, crime and the politics of the democrat party. He should never have evaded all three, but he did. For you see, he chose education to crawl from the abyss and he used his critical thinking skills to overcome the pervasive bias against conservatism to become a conservative himself. Today, the majority in the black community now reject him because he made his stand. Now a school in Detroit named after him is going to take his name off that school because of his political stand. Ben Carson is part of the solution, not the problem. His race has nothing to do with it.

It is always sad to see such simplistic and naive thoughts to say the least. I could throw in a obvious lack of life experience and a public education which is no longer really an education...just a pc indoctrination.

Anyhow....be that as it may....here is some truth----not b.s.

'Race is an important aspect of individual and group identity. Of all the fault lines that divide society—language, religion, class, ideology—it is the most prominent and divisive. Race and racial conflict are at the heart of some of the most serious challenges the Western World faces in the 21st century.

The problems of race cannot be solved without adequate understanding. Attempts to gloss over the significance of race or even to deny its reality only make problems worse. Progress requires the study of all aspects of race, whether historical, cultural, or biological. This approach is known as race realism.'

About Us - American Renaissance

 

[JimBowie1958]

The problems of race cannot be solved without adequate understanding. Attempts to gloss over the significance of race or even to deny its reality only make problems worse. Progress requires the study of all aspects of race, whether historical, cultural, or biological. This approach is known as race realism.'

There is nothing realistic about 'race realism'.

It is a rhetorical piece of fraud that camoflages racial hatred with a claim of violence being racial in nature, which is plainly horse crap.

The Irish, the Italians, the Jews and countless other ethnic groups have been used as 'the Other' dangerous group that everyone should unite against and today it is the back man for the same reasons; it is useful to divide working class people against each other in order to undercut wage scales and prevent workers from advancing toward their common interests.

 

[MacTheKnife]

The problems of race cannot be solved without adequate understanding. Attempts to gloss over the significance of race or even to deny its reality only make problems worse. Progress requires the study of all aspects of race, whether historical, cultural, or biological. This approach is known as race realism.'

There is nothing realistic about 'race realism'.

It is a rhetorical piece of fraud that camoflages racial hatred with a claim of violence being racial in nature, which is plainly horse crap.

The Irish, the Italians, the Jews and countless other ethnic groups have been used as 'the Other' dangerous group that everyone should unite against and today it is the back man for the same reasons; it is useful to divide working class people against each other in order to undercut wage scales and prevent workers from advancing toward their common interests.

Violence, Genes, and Prejudice
Can genes make one person more likely to act violently than another? Can the question even be asked in a country where violence--in many people's eyes--has come to wear a young black face?


'As scientific debates go, the war of words over the genetic roots of violence has itself been marked by unusual violence. It has damaged careers, provoked comparisons with Nazi pogroms, and prompted bitter talk of science being corrupted by political correctness. It has also sparked passionate statements about racists, Luddites, and monkey sex. This is the stuff of great fiction.

But it's true. And the arguments are only likely to get fiercer as violence in America continues to rise.

Let's leave aside for the moment the question of whether a convincing connection can yet be made between certain genes and violent behavior. Even without conclusive evidence that it can, heated questions are being raised. Will the government try to screen people to see if they have genes that incline them to violence? If people do have such a gene, can they be forced into medical therapy? What if tests are used selectively to screen minority children, on the grounds that a growing number of American prison inmates are black or Hispanic? "Research into genetic factors has tremendous impact, and it is likely to yield controversial findings that are highly susceptible to abuse and misunderstanding," says David Wasserman, who teaches philosophy of law, medicine, and social science at the University of Maryland's Institute of Philosophy and Public Policy.

Wasserman knows what he is talking about; he has already been burned by the debate. A 1992 conference he planned on "genetic factors in crime" had its federal funding yanked after it was denounced for fostering racial prejudice and promoting a "modern-day version of eugenics." Research presented at the conference, its more vehement opponents protested to the New York Times, "would inevitably target minority children in the inner city in the guise of preventing future crime."

Violence, Genes, and Prejudice | DiscoverMagazine.com

A first examination of whether melanin based pigmentation plays a role in human aggression and sexuality (as seen in non-human animals), is to compare people of African descent with those of European descent and observe whether darker skinned individuals average higher levels of aggression and sexuality (with violent crime the main indicator of aggression). Internationally, we found Blacks are over-represented in crime statistics relative to Whites and Asians. In Canada, a government commission found that Blacks were five times more likely to be in jail than Whites and 10 times more likely than Asians (Ontario, 1996). In Britain, the Home Office (1999) found that Blacks, who were 2% of the general population, made up 15% of the prison population. In the US, Taylor and Whitney (1999) analyzed the FBI Uniform Crime Statistics and National Crime Victimization Surveys from the US Department of Justice and found that since record keeping began at the turn of the century and throughout the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s, African Americans engaged in proportionately more acts of violence than other groups. Since victims’ surveys tell a similar story, the differences in arrest statistics cannot just be attributed to police prejudice.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886912000840



The genetics of violent behavior

Race and Psychopathic Personality - American Renaissance

Welcome to Human Genetics Alert

Born to Kill - American Renaissance

The Color of Crime, 2016 Revised Edition - American Renaissance

 

[Votto]

Not long ago I came to the realization that Identity Politics runs the political discourse and machinery of Western Civilization, if one can say it still exists in a Post-modern intellectual environment and exemplified by the Kate Steinle murder. So it would seem that white people should organize and represent themselves as have Hispanics, blacks, homosexuals, radicalized women, etc, or else we would be left with no place at the political table, not represented.

Seems to be a rational choice given the tribalism that runs our culture, but only if you are an 'oppressed minority', and that oppression might be at any time and any place. The primary consideration for tolerance of a group organizing is how well such a group fits into a Post-Modern, pseudo-Marxist agenda and narrative.

I have never been overly concerned with being viewed as a misfit or social reject as our society is run by people who are trying to destroy us as a culture and civilization by remaking it all into some monstrosity of Consumer driven Hedonism guided only by Narcissism. But I wanted to understand White Nationalism more deeply before I formally tossed my hat into that ring of ideological madness.

1) The first thing I learned is that White Nationalism stems from an adoption of Identity Politics as a world view, that ones group identity determines ones character and potential, which I cannot accept. Racialism of the WEB Du Bois sort is misleading in that there are other categorizations of the human species such as phenotype and somatotype that more accurately describe the health and mentality of an individual than racialism does, though Somatotype theory is rightly dismissed as an over-generalization of the human being even so.

Categorizing people by race makes as much sense as buying a new car based solely on the color of the paint job which is irrational to say the least.

2) But that Identity Politics and its attendant racialism is irrational should surprise no one since it is part of the broader Post-Modern movement which rejects rationality altogether.

While encompassing a wide variety of approaches, postmodernism is generally defined by an attitude of skepticism, irony, or rejection toward the meta-narratives and ideologies of modernism, often calling into question various assumptions of Enlightenment rationality.[5] Consequently, common targets of postmodern critique include universalist notions of objective reality, morality, truth, human nature, reason, language, and social progress.[5] Postmodern thinkers frequently call attention to the contingent or socially-conditioned nature of knowledge claims and value systems, situating them as products of particular political, historical, or cultural discourses and hierarchies.[5] Accordingly, postmodern thought is broadly characterized by tendencies to self-referentiality, epistemological and moral relativism, pluralism, subjectivism, and irreverence. - Postmodernism - Wikipedia​

The Disuniting of America: Reflections on a Multicultural Society is a 1991 book written by American historian Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr., a former advisor to the Kennedy and other US administrations and a winner of the Pulitzer Prize.

Schlesinger states that a new attitude, one that celebrates difference and abandons assimilation, may replace the classic image of the melting pot in which differences are submerged in democracy. He argues that ethnic awareness has had many positive consequences to unite a nation with a "history of prejudice." However, the "cult of ethnicity," if pushed too far, may endanger the unity of society.

According to Schlesinger, multiculturalists are "very often ethnocentric separatists who see little in the Western heritage other than Western crimes." Their "mood is one of divesting Americans of their sinful European inheritance and seeking redemptive infusions from non-Western cultures."[1] - The Disuniting of America - Wikipedia​

Linguist Noam Chomsky has argued that postmodernism is meaningless because it adds nothing to analytical or empirical knowledge. He asks why postmodernist intellectuals won't respond like people in other fields when asked:

Seriously, what are the principles of their theories, on what evidence are they based, what do they explain that wasn't already obvious, etc? These are fair requests for anyone to make. If they can't be met, then I'd suggest recourse to Hume's advice in similar circumstances: to the flames.[1]​

Christopher Hitchens in his book, Why Orwell Matters, writes, in advocating for simple, clear and direct expression of ideas, "The Postmodernists' tyranny wears people down by boredom and semi-literate prose."[2] Hitchens also criticized a postmodernist volume, "The Johns Hopkins Guide to Literary Theory and Criticism":[3] "The French, as it happens, once evolved an expression for this sort of prose: la langue de bois, the wooden tongue, in which nothing useful or enlightening can be said, but in which various excuses for the arbitrary and the dishonest can be offered. (This book) is a pointer to the abysmal state of mind that prevails in so many of our universities."

In a similar vein, Richard Dawkins writes in a favorable review of Alan Sokal and Jean Bricmont's Intellectual Impostures:[4]

Suppose you are an intellectual impostor with nothing to say, but with strong ambitions to succeed in academic life, collect a coterie of reverent disciples and have students around the world anoint your pages with respectful yellow highlighter. What kind of literary style would you cultivate? Not a lucid one, surely, for clarity would expose your lack of content.​

Dawkins then uses a quotation from Félix Guattari as an example of this "lack of content". - Criticism of postmodernism - Wikipedia​

This rejection of objectivity, morality, truth, reason and social progress is what is killing our civilization which makes anything associated with Post-modern thought a form of cultural suicide for any culture. So, in essence, an acceptance of White Nationalism is an indirect adoption of moral relativism, subjectivism, and irrationality as well as the fraud of racial thinking in general.

3) When I consider what is best for our culture, our nation and our progeny, things that are evolutionally valid considerations, I cannot accept the notion that we cannot improve our society and culture. I cannot accept the insanity of a subjective world view that creates only intellectual/moral chaos and mistrust. I cannot accept a world view that inevitably leads to cultural extinction and moral decay.

White Nationalism is just one more form of the Decadence that is the only true existential threat to our nation, our civilization and Humanity itself.

4) White Nationalism, as a part of the Identity Politics rubric of ideas, weakens the organized impact of the working class as a whole.

Historian Arthur Schlesinger Jr. discussed identity politics extensively in his 1991 book The Disuniting of America. Schlesinger, a strong supporter of liberal conceptions of civil rights, argues that a liberal democracy requires a common basis for culture and society to function. In his view, basing politics on group marginalization fractures the civil polity, and therefore works against creating real opportunities for ending marginalization. Schlesinger believes that "movements for civil rights should aim toward full acceptance and integration of marginalized groups into the mainstream culture, rather than...perpetuating that marginalization through affirmations of difference".[17]

Brendan O'Neill has contrasted the politics of gay liberation and identity politics by saying "... [Peter] Tatchell also had, back in the day, ... a commitment to the politics of liberation, which encouraged gays to come out and live and engage. Now, we have the politics of identity, which invites people to stay in, to look inward, to obsess over the body and the self, to surround themselves with a moral forcefield to protect their worldview—which has nothing to do with the world—from any questioning."[18]

Author Owen Jones argues that identity politics often marginalize the working class, saying that:

In the 1950s and 1960s, left-wing intellectuals who were both inspired and informed by a powerful labour movement wrote hundreds of books and articles on working-class issues. Such work would help shape the views of politicians at the very top of the Labour Party. Today, progressive intellectuals are far more interested in issues of identity. ... Of course, the struggles for the emancipation of women, gays, and ethnic minorities are exceptionally important causes. New Labour has co-opted them, passing genuinely progressive legislation on gay equality and women's rights, for example. But it is an agenda that has happily co-existed with the sidelining of the working class in politics, allowing New Labour to protect its radical flank while pressing ahead with Thatcherite policies.

— Owen Jones, Chavs: The Demonization of the Working Class[19]​

There is no redeeming feature to White Nationalism and it represents a step backwards for working class people of all races, genders and faiths.

I urge fellow patriots and civic Americans to fight Identity Politics in all its forms as much as they would fight Marxism or fascism.

This threat is very real and poses an existential threat far worse than any other of our time to include terrorism and environmental change. We can handle those problems if we remain rational and objective, but Identity Politics, White Nationalism, and Post-Modernism reject these tools to survive and would doom us all to eventual extinction.

There is much confusion about nationalism and white nationalism. White nationalism is a racist ideology as where nationalism is simply representing voters ahead of global interests.

Back in the day, white nationalism was used to expand the country of the US. Brown skinned Indians were seen as inferior, thus giving citizens the rationalization for taking their land and killing them off. It was because they were savages. Once they believed this, they could bypass their humanity in the name of conquest without a conscience bothering them about it.

But as for the American Indian, the tribes tried to join forces to fight off the invaders. It was either defend their national identity by fighting off the mass immigration or die. Yes, they were nationalists but it was not predicated on racism like the white nationalism was by the Europeans.

Today, America needs to secure its border, or perhaps go way of the American Indian. Are their white nationalists that join this movement? Yes, but they are by far a minority, making up under 5%.

I do not want to bust your bubble boyo ...particularly due to the fact that you are about half right and perhaps susceptible to learning some more truths.

According to many scholars of nationalism, race and racism are essential factors of the process of national idenity formation. There are many key and strong elements of racism in Nationalism. In fact Nationalism is a necessary condition for racism and in already constituted national states, nationalist movements camouflage racism. Many researchers understand that in general nationalism and racism are compellingly linked.

Due to decades of federal programming in our once vaunted public school system generations have been overwhelmingly indoctrinated into believing that racism is a great evil. Quite pathetic.

Anyhow....I do not want to get bogged down in definitions of racism etc. I just want to emphatically make the case that what we need in America today is white racial unity....like the negroes, the mexicans and the Jews have already. Because they are minorities this does not disturb the powers that be, the elitists and the establishment.

Again....White folk need to be racially united and they need to get out and vote in overwhelming numbers....we do not have long to save America...the odds are rather small that we will be able to do so due to demographic trends....but if in these next few years whilst white folks are still in the majority we have the capability if we choose to use it to take control of America and get it back on track.

Does any sane white person want to see their kids, grandkids or even great-grandkids be forced to live in a 3rd world country? That is where we are headed if white folk do not get involved and quit getting distracted by work, sports and other entertainment forms. Get off the couch, get educated, become politically and racially aware, join a milita, vote and help America be great again for all time.

The only time race is important is when it comes to two things, politics and the medical field. In the medical field, you have to look at a persons heredity to see what risks they have medically. However, politics is the art of division. Politics is about forming one group of people to subdue another. Race is simply a mindless way to create such divisions as most people seem to be mindless.

I realize that mankind has always been this way, so it stands to be that mankind will never change, but that does not mean I have to join in. I adamantly reject the notion of racial superiority, which I see from black and white on this site and it makes me physically ill.

Men that I look up to are men like Ben Carson. Here is a man who grew up black in the streets of Detroit. His world was a world dominated by poverty, crime and the politics of the democrat party. He should never have evaded all three, but he did. For you see, he chose education to crawl from the abyss and he used his critical thinking skills to overcome the pervasive bias against conservatism to become a conservative himself. Today, the majority in the black community now reject him because he made his stand. Now a school in Detroit named after him is going to take his name off that school because of his political stand. Ben Carson is part of the solution, not the problem. His race has nothing to do with it.

It is always sad to see such simplistic and naive thoughts to say the least. I could throw in a obvious lack of life experience and a public education which is no longer really an education...just a pc indoctrination.

Anyhow....be that as it may....here is some truth----not b.s.

'Race is an important aspect of individual and group identity. Of all the fault lines that divide society—language, religion, class, ideology—it is the most prominent and divisive. Race and racial conflict are at the heart of some of the most serious challenges the Western World faces in the 21st century.

The problems of race cannot be solved without adequate understanding. Attempts to gloss over the significance of race or even to deny its reality only make problems worse. Progress requires the study of all aspects of race, whether historical, cultural, or biological. This approach is known as race realism.'

About Us - American Renaissance

So since you think the white race is far superior to any other, do you support the genocide of the American Indian for the superior white race or how about Hitler and his exterminations?

Were these "good" events to purge humanity of its "cancers"?

 

[Mac1958]

The problems of race cannot be solved without adequate understanding. Attempts to gloss over the significance of race or even to deny its reality only make problems worse. Progress requires the study of all aspects of race, whether historical, cultural, or biological. This approach is known as race realism.'

There is nothing realistic about 'race realism'.

It is a rhetorical piece of fraud that camoflages racial hatred with a claim of violence being racial in nature, which is plainly horse crap.

The Irish, the Italians, the Jews and countless other ethnic groups have been used as 'the Other' dangerous group that everyone should unite against and today it is the back man for the same reasons; it is useful to divide working class people against each other in order to undercut wage scales and prevent workers from advancing toward their common interests.

Funny what these kinds of conversations can flush out, huh?


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[MacTheKnife]

Not long ago I came to the realization that Identity Politics runs the political discourse and machinery of Western Civilization, if one can say it still exists in a Post-modern intellectual environment and exemplified by the Kate Steinle murder. So it would seem that white people should organize and represent themselves as have Hispanics, blacks, homosexuals, radicalized women, etc, or else we would be left with no place at the political table, not represented.

Seems to be a rational choice given the tribalism that runs our culture, but only if you are an 'oppressed minority', and that oppression might be at any time and any place. The primary consideration for tolerance of a group organizing is how well such a group fits into a Post-Modern, pseudo-Marxist agenda and narrative.

I have never been overly concerned with being viewed as a misfit or social reject as our society is run by people who are trying to destroy us as a culture and civilization by remaking it all into some monstrosity of Consumer driven Hedonism guided only by Narcissism. But I wanted to understand White Nationalism more deeply before I formally tossed my hat into that ring of ideological madness.

1) The first thing I learned is that White Nationalism stems from an adoption of Identity Politics as a world view, that ones group identity determines ones character and potential, which I cannot accept. Racialism of the WEB Du Bois sort is misleading in that there are other categorizations of the human species such as phenotype and somatotype that more accurately describe the health and mentality of an individual than racialism does, though Somatotype theory is rightly dismissed as an over-generalization of the human being even so.

Categorizing people by race makes as much sense as buying a new car based solely on the color of the paint job which is irrational to say the least.

2) But that Identity Politics and its attendant racialism is irrational should surprise no one since it is part of the broader Post-Modern movement which rejects rationality altogether.

While encompassing a wide variety of approaches, postmodernism is generally defined by an attitude of skepticism, irony, or rejection toward the meta-narratives and ideologies of modernism, often calling into question various assumptions of Enlightenment rationality.[5] Consequently, common targets of postmodern critique include universalist notions of objective reality, morality, truth, human nature, reason, language, and social progress.[5] Postmodern thinkers frequently call attention to the contingent or socially-conditioned nature of knowledge claims and value systems, situating them as products of particular political, historical, or cultural discourses and hierarchies.[5] Accordingly, postmodern thought is broadly characterized by tendencies to self-referentiality, epistemological and moral relativism, pluralism, subjectivism, and irreverence. - Postmodernism - Wikipedia​

The Disuniting of America: Reflections on a Multicultural Society is a 1991 book written by American historian Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr., a former advisor to the Kennedy and other US administrations and a winner of the Pulitzer Prize.

Schlesinger states that a new attitude, one that celebrates difference and abandons assimilation, may replace the classic image of the melting pot in which differences are submerged in democracy. He argues that ethnic awareness has had many positive consequences to unite a nation with a "history of prejudice." However, the "cult of ethnicity," if pushed too far, may endanger the unity of society.

According to Schlesinger, multiculturalists are "very often ethnocentric separatists who see little in the Western heritage other than Western crimes." Their "mood is one of divesting Americans of their sinful European inheritance and seeking redemptive infusions from non-Western cultures."[1] - The Disuniting of America - Wikipedia​

Linguist Noam Chomsky has argued that postmodernism is meaningless because it adds nothing to analytical or empirical knowledge. He asks why postmodernist intellectuals won't respond like people in other fields when asked:

Seriously, what are the principles of their theories, on what evidence are they based, what do they explain that wasn't already obvious, etc? These are fair requests for anyone to make. If they can't be met, then I'd suggest recourse to Hume's advice in similar circumstances: to the flames.[1]​

Christopher Hitchens in his book, Why Orwell Matters, writes, in advocating for simple, clear and direct expression of ideas, "The Postmodernists' tyranny wears people down by boredom and semi-literate prose."[2] Hitchens also criticized a postmodernist volume, "The Johns Hopkins Guide to Literary Theory and Criticism":[3] "The French, as it happens, once evolved an expression for this sort of prose: la langue de bois, the wooden tongue, in which nothing useful or enlightening can be said, but in which various excuses for the arbitrary and the dishonest can be offered. (This book) is a pointer to the abysmal state of mind that prevails in so many of our universities."

In a similar vein, Richard Dawkins writes in a favorable review of Alan Sokal and Jean Bricmont's Intellectual Impostures:[4]

Suppose you are an intellectual impostor with nothing to say, but with strong ambitions to succeed in academic life, collect a coterie of reverent disciples and have students around the world anoint your pages with respectful yellow highlighter. What kind of literary style would you cultivate? Not a lucid one, surely, for clarity would expose your lack of content.​

Dawkins then uses a quotation from Félix Guattari as an example of this "lack of content". - Criticism of postmodernism - Wikipedia​

This rejection of objectivity, morality, truth, reason and social progress is what is killing our civilization which makes anything associated with Post-modern thought a form of cultural suicide for any culture. So, in essence, an acceptance of White Nationalism is an indirect adoption of moral relativism, subjectivism, and irrationality as well as the fraud of racial thinking in general.

3) When I consider what is best for our culture, our nation and our progeny, things that are evolutionally valid considerations, I cannot accept the notion that we cannot improve our society and culture. I cannot accept the insanity of a subjective world view that creates only intellectual/moral chaos and mistrust. I cannot accept a world view that inevitably leads to cultural extinction and moral decay.

White Nationalism is just one more form of the Decadence that is the only true existential threat to our nation, our civilization and Humanity itself.

4) White Nationalism, as a part of the Identity Politics rubric of ideas, weakens the organized impact of the working class as a whole.

Historian Arthur Schlesinger Jr. discussed identity politics extensively in his 1991 book The Disuniting of America. Schlesinger, a strong supporter of liberal conceptions of civil rights, argues that a liberal democracy requires a common basis for culture and society to function. In his view, basing politics on group marginalization fractures the civil polity, and therefore works against creating real opportunities for ending marginalization. Schlesinger believes that "movements for civil rights should aim toward full acceptance and integration of marginalized groups into the mainstream culture, rather than...perpetuating that marginalization through affirmations of difference".[17]

Brendan O'Neill has contrasted the politics of gay liberation and identity politics by saying "... [Peter] Tatchell also had, back in the day, ... a commitment to the politics of liberation, which encouraged gays to come out and live and engage. Now, we have the politics of identity, which invites people to stay in, to look inward, to obsess over the body and the self, to surround themselves with a moral forcefield to protect their worldview—which has nothing to do with the world—from any questioning."[18]

Author Owen Jones argues that identity politics often marginalize the working class, saying that:

In the 1950s and 1960s, left-wing intellectuals who were both inspired and informed by a powerful labour movement wrote hundreds of books and articles on working-class issues. Such work would help shape the views of politicians at the very top of the Labour Party. Today, progressive intellectuals are far more interested in issues of identity. ... Of course, the struggles for the emancipation of women, gays, and ethnic minorities are exceptionally important causes. New Labour has co-opted them, passing genuinely progressive legislation on gay equality and women's rights, for example. But it is an agenda that has happily co-existed with the sidelining of the working class in politics, allowing New Labour to protect its radical flank while pressing ahead with Thatcherite policies.

— Owen Jones, Chavs: The Demonization of the Working Class[19]​

There is no redeeming feature to White Nationalism and it represents a step backwards for working class people of all races, genders and faiths.

I urge fellow patriots and civic Americans to fight Identity Politics in all its forms as much as they would fight Marxism or fascism.

This threat is very real and poses an existential threat far worse than any other of our time to include terrorism and environmental change. We can handle those problems if we remain rational and objective, but Identity Politics, White Nationalism, and Post-Modernism reject these tools to survive and would doom us all to eventual extinction.

There is much confusion about nationalism and white nationalism. White nationalism is a racist ideology as where nationalism is simply representing voters ahead of global interests.

Back in the day, white nationalism was used to expand the country of the US. Brown skinned Indians were seen as inferior, thus giving citizens the rationalization for taking their land and killing them off. It was because they were savages. Once they believed this, they could bypass their humanity in the name of conquest without a conscience bothering them about it.

But as for the American Indian, the tribes tried to join forces to fight off the invaders. It was either defend their national identity by fighting off the mass immigration or die. Yes, they were nationalists but it was not predicated on racism like the white nationalism was by the Europeans.

Today, America needs to secure its border, or perhaps go way of the American Indian. Are their white nationalists that join this movement? Yes, but they are by far a minority, making up under 5%.

I do not want to bust your bubble boyo ...particularly due to the fact that you are about half right and perhaps susceptible to learning some more truths.

According to many scholars of nationalism, race and racism are essential factors of the process of national idenity formation. There are many key and strong elements of racism in Nationalism. In fact Nationalism is a necessary condition for racism and in already constituted national states, nationalist movements camouflage racism. Many researchers understand that in general nationalism and racism are compellingly linked.

Due to decades of federal programming in our once vaunted public school system generations have been overwhelmingly indoctrinated into believing that racism is a great evil. Quite pathetic.

Anyhow....I do not want to get bogged down in definitions of racism etc. I just want to emphatically make the case that what we need in America today is white racial unity....like the negroes, the mexicans and the Jews have already. Because they are minorities this does not disturb the powers that be, the elitists and the establishment.

Again....White folk need to be racially united and they need to get out and vote in overwhelming numbers....we do not have long to save America...the odds are rather small that we will be able to do so due to demographic trends....but if in these next few years whilst white folks are still in the majority we have the capability if we choose to use it to take control of America and get it back on track.

Does any sane white person want to see their kids, grandkids or even great-grandkids be forced to live in a 3rd world country? That is where we are headed if white folk do not get involved and quit getting distracted by work, sports and other entertainment forms. Get off the couch, get educated, become politically and racially aware, join a milita, vote and help America be great again for all time.

The only time race is important is when it comes to two things, politics and the medical field. In the medical field, you have to look at a persons heredity to see what risks they have medically. However, politics is the art of division. Politics is about forming one group of people to subdue another. Race is simply a mindless way to create such divisions as most people seem to be mindless.

I realize that mankind has always been this way, so it stands to be that mankind will never change, but that does not mean I have to join in. I adamantly reject the notion of racial superiority, which I see from black and white on this site and it makes me physically ill.

Men that I look up to are men like Ben Carson. Here is a man who grew up black in the streets of Detroit. His world was a world dominated by poverty, crime and the politics of the democrat party. He should never have evaded all three, but he did. For you see, he chose education to crawl from the abyss and he used his critical thinking skills to overcome the pervasive bias against conservatism to become a conservative himself. Today, the majority in the black community now reject him because he made his stand. Now a school in Detroit named after him is going to take his name off that school because of his political stand. Ben Carson is part of the solution, not the problem. His race has nothing to do with it.

It is always sad to see such simplistic and naive thoughts to say the least. I could throw in a obvious lack of life experience and a public education which is no longer really an education...just a pc indoctrination.

Anyhow....be that as it may....here is some truth----not b.s.

'Race is an important aspect of individual and group identity. Of all the fault lines that divide society—language, religion, class, ideology—it is the most prominent and divisive. Race and racial conflict are at the heart of some of the most serious challenges the Western World faces in the 21st century.

The problems of race cannot be solved without adequate understanding. Attempts to gloss over the significance of race or even to deny its reality only make problems worse. Progress requires the study of all aspects of race, whether historical, cultural, or biological. This approach is known as race realism.'

About Us - American Renaissance

So since you think the white race is far superior to any other, do you support the genocide of the American Indian for the superior white race or how about Hitler and his exterminations?

Were these "good" events to purge humanity of its "cancers"?

Not long ago I came to the realization that Identity Politics runs the political discourse and machinery of Western Civilization, if one can say it still exists in a Post-modern intellectual environment and exemplified by the Kate Steinle murder. So it would seem that white people should organize and represent themselves as have Hispanics, blacks, homosexuals, radicalized women, etc, or else we would be left with no place at the political table, not represented.

Seems to be a rational choice given the tribalism that runs our culture, but only if you are an 'oppressed minority', and that oppression might be at any time and any place. The primary consideration for tolerance of a group organizing is how well such a group fits into a Post-Modern, pseudo-Marxist agenda and narrative.

I have never been overly concerned with being viewed as a misfit or social reject as our society is run by people who are trying to destroy us as a culture and civilization by remaking it all into some monstrosity of Consumer driven Hedonism guided only by Narcissism. But I wanted to understand White Nationalism more deeply before I formally tossed my hat into that ring of ideological madness.

1) The first thing I learned is that White Nationalism stems from an adoption of Identity Politics as a world view, that ones group identity determines ones character and potential, which I cannot accept. Racialism of the WEB Du Bois sort is misleading in that there are other categorizations of the human species such as phenotype and somatotype that more accurately describe the health and mentality of an individual than racialism does, though Somatotype theory is rightly dismissed as an over-generalization of the human being even so.

Categorizing people by race makes as much sense as buying a new car based solely on the color of the paint job which is irrational to say the least.

2) But that Identity Politics and its attendant racialism is irrational should surprise no one since it is part of the broader Post-Modern movement which rejects rationality altogether.

While encompassing a wide variety of approaches, postmodernism is generally defined by an attitude of skepticism, irony, or rejection toward the meta-narratives and ideologies of modernism, often calling into question various assumptions of Enlightenment rationality.[5] Consequently, common targets of postmodern critique include universalist notions of objective reality, morality, truth, human nature, reason, language, and social progress.[5] Postmodern thinkers frequently call attention to the contingent or socially-conditioned nature of knowledge claims and value systems, situating them as products of particular political, historical, or cultural discourses and hierarchies.[5] Accordingly, postmodern thought is broadly characterized by tendencies to self-referentiality, epistemological and moral relativism, pluralism, subjectivism, and irreverence. - Postmodernism - Wikipedia​

The Disuniting of America: Reflections on a Multicultural Society is a 1991 book written by American historian Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr., a former advisor to the Kennedy and other US administrations and a winner of the Pulitzer Prize.

Schlesinger states that a new attitude, one that celebrates difference and abandons assimilation, may replace the classic image of the melting pot in which differences are submerged in democracy. He argues that ethnic awareness has had many positive consequences to unite a nation with a "history of prejudice." However, the "cult of ethnicity," if pushed too far, may endanger the unity of society.

According to Schlesinger, multiculturalists are "very often ethnocentric separatists who see little in the Western heritage other than Western crimes." Their "mood is one of divesting Americans of their sinful European inheritance and seeking redemptive infusions from non-Western cultures."[1] - The Disuniting of America - Wikipedia​

Linguist Noam Chomsky has argued that postmodernism is meaningless because it adds nothing to analytical or empirical knowledge. He asks why postmodernist intellectuals won't respond like people in other fields when asked:

Seriously, what are the principles of their theories, on what evidence are they based, what do they explain that wasn't already obvious, etc? These are fair requests for anyone to make. If they can't be met, then I'd suggest recourse to Hume's advice in similar circumstances: to the flames.[1]​

Christopher Hitchens in his book, Why Orwell Matters, writes, in advocating for simple, clear and direct expression of ideas, "The Postmodernists' tyranny wears people down by boredom and semi-literate prose."[2] Hitchens also criticized a postmodernist volume, "The Johns Hopkins Guide to Literary Theory and Criticism":[3] "The French, as it happens, once evolved an expression for this sort of prose: la langue de bois, the wooden tongue, in which nothing useful or enlightening can be said, but in which various excuses for the arbitrary and the dishonest can be offered. (This book) is a pointer to the abysmal state of mind that prevails in so many of our universities."

In a similar vein, Richard Dawkins writes in a favorable review of Alan Sokal and Jean Bricmont's Intellectual Impostures:[4]

Suppose you are an intellectual impostor with nothing to say, but with strong ambitions to succeed in academic life, collect a coterie of reverent disciples and have students around the world anoint your pages with respectful yellow highlighter. What kind of literary style would you cultivate? Not a lucid one, surely, for clarity would expose your lack of content.​

Dawkins then uses a quotation from Félix Guattari as an example of this "lack of content". - Criticism of postmodernism - Wikipedia​

This rejection of objectivity, morality, truth, reason and social progress is what is killing our civilization which makes anything associated with Post-modern thought a form of cultural suicide for any culture. So, in essence, an acceptance of White Nationalism is an indirect adoption of moral relativism, subjectivism, and irrationality as well as the fraud of racial thinking in general.

3) When I consider what is best for our culture, our nation and our progeny, things that are evolutionally valid considerations, I cannot accept the notion that we cannot improve our society and culture. I cannot accept the insanity of a subjective world view that creates only intellectual/moral chaos and mistrust. I cannot accept a world view that inevitably leads to cultural extinction and moral decay.

White Nationalism is just one more form of the Decadence that is the only true existential threat to our nation, our civilization and Humanity itself.

4) White Nationalism, as a part of the Identity Politics rubric of ideas, weakens the organized impact of the working class as a whole.

Historian Arthur Schlesinger Jr. discussed identity politics extensively in his 1991 book The Disuniting of America. Schlesinger, a strong supporter of liberal conceptions of civil rights, argues that a liberal democracy requires a common basis for culture and society to function. In his view, basing politics on group marginalization fractures the civil polity, and therefore works against creating real opportunities for ending marginalization. Schlesinger believes that "movements for civil rights should aim toward full acceptance and integration of marginalized groups into the mainstream culture, rather than...perpetuating that marginalization through affirmations of difference".[17]

Brendan O'Neill has contrasted the politics of gay liberation and identity politics by saying "... [Peter] Tatchell also had, back in the day, ... a commitment to the politics of liberation, which encouraged gays to come out and live and engage. Now, we have the politics of identity, which invites people to stay in, to look inward, to obsess over the body and the self, to surround themselves with a moral forcefield to protect their worldview—which has nothing to do with the world—from any questioning."[18]

Author Owen Jones argues that identity politics often marginalize the working class, saying that:

In the 1950s and 1960s, left-wing intellectuals who were both inspired and informed by a powerful labour movement wrote hundreds of books and articles on working-class issues. Such work would help shape the views of politicians at the very top of the Labour Party. Today, progressive intellectuals are far more interested in issues of identity. ... Of course, the struggles for the emancipation of women, gays, and ethnic minorities are exceptionally important causes. New Labour has co-opted them, passing genuinely progressive legislation on gay equality and women's rights, for example. But it is an agenda that has happily co-existed with the sidelining of the working class in politics, allowing New Labour to protect its radical flank while pressing ahead with Thatcherite policies.

— Owen Jones, Chavs: The Demonization of the Working Class[19]​

There is no redeeming feature to White Nationalism and it represents a step backwards for working class people of all races, genders and faiths.

I urge fellow patriots and civic Americans to fight Identity Politics in all its forms as much as they would fight Marxism or fascism.

This threat is very real and poses an existential threat far worse than any other of our time to include terrorism and environmental change. We can handle those problems if we remain rational and objective, but Identity Politics, White Nationalism, and Post-Modernism reject these tools to survive and would doom us all to eventual extinction.

There is much confusion about nationalism and white nationalism. White nationalism is a racist ideology as where nationalism is simply representing voters ahead of global interests.

Back in the day, white nationalism was used to expand the country of the US. Brown skinned Indians were seen as inferior, thus giving citizens the rationalization for taking their land and killing them off. It was because they were savages. Once they believed this, they could bypass their humanity in the name of conquest without a conscience bothering them about it.

But as for the American Indian, the tribes tried to join forces to fight off the invaders. It was either defend their national identity by fighting off the mass immigration or die. Yes, they were nationalists but it was not predicated on racism like the white nationalism was by the Europeans.

Today, America needs to secure its border, or perhaps go way of the American Indian. Are their white nationalists that join this movement? Yes, but they are by far a minority, making up under 5%.

I do not want to bust your bubble boyo ...particularly due to the fact that you are about half right and perhaps susceptible to learning some more truths.

According to many scholars of nationalism, race and racism are essential factors of the process of national idenity formation. There are many key and strong elements of racism in Nationalism. In fact Nationalism is a necessary condition for racism and in already constituted national states, nationalist movements camouflage racism. Many researchers understand that in general nationalism and racism are compellingly linked.

Due to decades of federal programming in our once vaunted public school system generations have been overwhelmingly indoctrinated into believing that racism is a great evil. Quite pathetic.

Anyhow....I do not want to get bogged down in definitions of racism etc. I just want to emphatically make the case that what we need in America today is white racial unity....like the negroes, the mexicans and the Jews have already. Because they are minorities this does not disturb the powers that be, the elitists and the establishment.

Again....White folk need to be racially united and they need to get out and vote in overwhelming numbers....we do not have long to save America...the odds are rather small that we will be able to do so due to demographic trends....but if in these next few years whilst white folks are still in the majority we have the capability if we choose to use it to take control of America and get it back on track.

Does any sane white person want to see their kids, grandkids or even great-grandkids be forced to live in a 3rd world country? That is where we are headed if white folk do not get involved and quit getting distracted by work, sports and other entertainment forms. Get off the couch, get educated, become politically and racially aware, join a milita, vote and help America be great again for all time.

The only time race is important is when it comes to two things, politics and the medical field. In the medical field, you have to look at a persons heredity to see what risks they have medically. However, politics is the art of division. Politics is about forming one group of people to subdue another. Race is simply a mindless way to create such divisions as most people seem to be mindless.

I realize that mankind has always been this way, so it stands to be that mankind will never change, but that does not mean I have to join in. I adamantly reject the notion of racial superiority, which I see from black and white on this site and it makes me physically ill.

Men that I look up to are men like Ben Carson. Here is a man who grew up black in the streets of Detroit. His world was a world dominated by poverty, crime and the politics of the democrat party. He should never have evaded all three, but he did. For you see, he chose education to crawl from the abyss and he used his critical thinking skills to overcome the pervasive bias against conservatism to become a conservative himself. Today, the majority in the black community now reject him because he made his stand. Now a school in Detroit named after him is going to take his name off that school because of his political stand. Ben Carson is part of the solution, not the problem. His race has nothing to do with it.

It is always sad to see such simplistic and naive thoughts to say the least. I could throw in a obvious lack of life experience and a public education which is no longer really an education...just a pc indoctrination.

Anyhow....be that as it may....here is some truth----not b.s.

'Race is an important aspect of individual and group identity. Of all the fault lines that divide society—language, religion, class, ideology—it is the most prominent and divisive. Race and racial conflict are at the heart of some of the most serious challenges the Western World faces in the 21st century.

The problems of race cannot be solved without adequate understanding. Attempts to gloss over the significance of race or even to deny its reality only make problems worse. Progress requires the study of all aspects of race, whether historical, cultural, or biological. This approach is known as race realism.'

About Us - American Renaissance

So since you think the white race is far superior to any other, do you support the genocide of the American Indian for the superior white race or how about Hitler and his exterminations?

Were these "good" events to purge humanity of its "cancers"?

What makes you think that I think the White Race is superior?
I have never claimed the white race is superior to all other races....how can one objectively judge what is superior or what is inferior? What would be the factors in your opinion that one could possibly use to claim superiority?

Define what you mean by superiority since you have brought it up?

White Nationalism is about such things as protecting Whites and promoting segregation....even many blacks now are endorsing segregation.

There is a big difference between so called white supremacists and white nationalists.....if you want to debate this stuff study up and learn the correct terminology. I will not waste a lot of time with ignorant people.
Anyhow, I think that the question of who is superior or who is inferior is irrelevant and is merely a term liberals throw out to attempt to demonize...whilst they smugly infer they are morallly superior....what hypocrites!

The American Indians declared war on Whites....which was a big mistake. Anyhow...they were not exterminated .....many of them are still around and most have rejected the old ways and for the most part the various tribes have been relegated to the dustbin of history as a people. Many if not most of them have sucessfully integrated into white society...and if you have ever been to one of the pow wows that are held here and there in various places and times many if most of them are indistinguishable from white folks.

That is not to say mistakes were not made and that there was much cruelty on both sides most especially from the Indians....who were quite barbaric in their warfare...much more so than the whites. The idea of the 'Noble Savage' is pure myth.

I am a zionist so I thoroughly understand the evils of the german nazi party.

The most dangerous cancer I see on American society are the white liberals who despise America, want to fundamentally change it whilst writhing in their white guilt...quite pathetic boyo.

Noble Red Man

How Comanche Indians butchered babies and roasted enemies alive | Daily Mail Online

Who Are the White Nationalists? - American Renaissance

NYT Science Editor: Race Is Real