Why I Rejected 'Identity Politics' and 'White Nationalism'

[MacTheKnife]

Alas, Jim, I suspect it's too late. Those who seek to divide this country into narcissistic competing pieces have been at this for decades, and it's part of our culture now.

Once a cancer like this has metastasized into the culture, it's damn near impossible to eradicate.

We're becoming a very different country, and some seem to be very pleased about that.
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Democrats use identity politics because we've discovered that they are terrible at running the country.
So if you are lousy leader, scream racism and maybe someone will believe you.
It helps that the media is bought and paid for as well.

But we all know this.......

Democrat policies are ridiculous. High taxes, low wages, massive debt, rampant crime, going soft on criminals, punishing people who don't vote for you, forcing people to think the way you want them to. Reward people when they lie and cheat for you.

No free society that has it's shit together would want to follow this, but the retards on the left seem to be able to find enough manufactured votes in rental trucks to win elections. Just drive them to a corrupt election supervisor's district and you can win any election.

Retards on the right are doing this as well, and it is something we should guard against.

there is a fine line between Enlightened Nationalistic self interest vrs subjective narcissistic bombast and Jargoneering.

The Right's simplistic, sloppy and ham-handed response has certainly made things worse.

My guess is that what we're seeing today is most likely a clumsy last gasp. They blew it.
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No.
What we're seeing is the decline of decency in a society. The left has given up on decency in the party. Winning at all costs has replaced having a better message. The message was bullshit to begin with, but it used to be Democrats had something to offer. Now all they can offer is chaos and fraud. Not one of them has the knowledge and experience it takes to run a government efficiently. Now all they do is paint the opposition as racists. An example is Bernie Sanders saying when Trump dumped DACA it was the most horrific event he's ever witnessed. He forgets about Pearl Harbor, the rape of Nanking, the Bataan Death March, the Holocaust, the Communist Revolution in Russia, the Killing Fields in Cambodia, and 911. It's this kind of fraudulent rhetoric that passes as normal in Washington.

You’ve elected the pussy-grabbing, POW-taunting, handicapped-mocking, porn star-fucking while wife is home with newborn, small business cheating crude narcissist.

Any Trump supporter whining about decency in public discourse has less than zero credibility.

Nothing wrong with grabbing some pussy. John McCain was a phoney and co-operated with the enemy resulting in deaths of some of his fellow pilots. I will not blame anyone who cracks under torture but doing so does not make one a hero...yet McCain built a political career based on the lie that he was some kind of hero. Not even to mention how he mistreated the families of pows and shut down the investigation into those left behind.

I applaud Trump for outing the hypocrite....and most vets agree. Deal wid it chump.

If you want to indict Presidents and politicians because of their sexual behavior....the list would be very long....and the first two in line would be bill and hillary.

John McCain and the POW Cover-Up

 

[MacTheKnife]

"There is an old saying — supposedly an ancient Chinese curse: “May you live in interesting times.” Today the curse has come true. The interesting times are here. What is most interesting about them is that for perhaps the first time in history, certainly for one of the few times in history, we are witnessing the more or less peaceful transfer of power from one civilization and from the race that created and bore that civilization, to different races."

by Sam Francis

Conflict is what makes a situation interesting, such as a game of chess, a civil war or an action adventure.

Like it or not we are in a very complex conflict where various factions strive for power in our times using misdirection, misinformation and false flag opposition among other things.

Today, since we refuse to encourage our own women to have babies instead of murdering them in the womb, we have to import labor from other nations and cultures or face unstoppable power dynamics like a permanent economic depression and a refusal of our population to defend its own interests in war due to so many parents with only one child.

When those alien populations immigrate in of course they are going to want to have a share in power, so Francis, whom I have met and have had dinner with several times prior to his death, he is not wrong, but he is overly simplifying the situation considerably.

We can import these groups and share our power with them successfully AS LONG AS THEY ASSIMILATE. This makes our population grow and helps our economy thrive.

Without this immigration or with it and no assimilation we are heading to disaster either way.

The root problem today that we have is that with Identity Politics we have stopped immigrants from being expected to assimilate.

The problem is we are allowing people in who find it difficult to assimilate. Aka...the muslims and even if the parents somehow manage to assimilate it has been shown and documented that it is their children that are prone to radicalization.

Prior to 1965 and the new radical immigration bill rammed thru congress by LBJ and the usual suspects we had a immigrtion policy that favored people like us...the Europeans with similar morals, religious beliefs, intelligence and with job skills....LBJ changed all that....we begain to favor people from 3rd world countries....those who have the most difficulty assimilating even if they wanted to and many if not most have no interest in that anyhow....they come here to milk the cash cow and send money back to the old counrty...which they visit as often as possible. They have no interest in becoming Americanized....they hate America almost as much as white liberals.

Problems of the Second Generation: To be Young, Muslim, and American

 

[JimBowie1958]

The problem is we are allowing people in who find it difficult to assimilate. Aka...the muslims and even if the parents somehow manage to assimilate it has been shown and documented that it is their children that are prone to radicalization.

Prior to 1965 and the new radical immigration bill rammed thru congress by LBJ and the usual suspects we had a immigrtion policy that favored people like us...the Europeans with similar morals, religious beliefs, intelligence and with job skills....LBJ changed all that....we begain to favor people from 3rd world countries....those who have the most difficulty assimilating even if they wanted to and many if not most have no interest in that anyhow....they come here to milk the cash cow and send money back to the old counrty...which they visit as often as possible. They have no interest in becoming Americanized....they hate America almost as much as white liberals.

Problems of the Second Generation: To be Young, Muslim, and American

There are subsets of people who can assimilate into our country in every ethnic group.

We just need to start choosing the best of them and not tokens.

 

[MacTheKnife]

Saying "I don't want you to think I'm part of some master race."

Is not the same as saying "I'm part of the master race".

He said ""I don't want you to think I'm picking on you because we're part of the master race,..." and claimed it was a joke.

His horrendous sense of humor, if that is what it really was, makes him unfit for office in a democracy or democratic republic.

He is exactly the kind we need in office. Quit kowtowing and kissing minority asses....it is truly disgusting.

roflmao, so you think we need to just abandon Objectivity, Truth, a moral compass, and evict all non-Whites from our nation?

That would be a HUGE disaster, but I dont think you really concern yourself with such thoughts, do you?

And who is white?

Hispancs from Argentina? Dravidians from India? Polynesians?

What percentage of non-Caucasian heritage disqualifies one from being 'white' in your opinion?

Are Celts less white than Germans?

Would Irish people be allowed to stay in your America?

Of course I dont really expect you to answer any of these questions as my intent is just to remind people why we put an end to such conversation in educated society back int he 1960s.

You and your ilk are the ones who have abandoned what made America great along with the truth. You and those who think like you essentially are driving America down to an eventual status of being just another 3rd world nation.

Back in the 60's is when we got on the wrong track with our immigration. You try and complicate something that is not complicated at all...thereby just confusing yourself.

When I say white folk...I refer to Europeans and Russians. Russians are mainly considered to be European due to the highest population density being in the European part of Russia.

That you find it so difficult to identify who is white speaks volumes. Actually....you do not want to identify white folk...you want to make them irrelevant...you and those like you are eager to hand America over to the minorities....you really believe that makes you morally superior? Laughable.

 

[MacTheKnife]

The problem is we are allowing people in who find it difficult to assimilate. Aka...the muslims and even if the parents somehow manage to assimilate it has been shown and documented that it is their children that are prone to radicalization.

Prior to 1965 and the new radical immigration bill rammed thru congress by LBJ and the usual suspects we had a immigrtion policy that favored people like us...the Europeans with similar morals, religious beliefs, intelligence and with job skills....LBJ changed all that....we begain to favor people from 3rd world countries....those who have the most difficulty assimilating even if they wanted to and many if not most have no interest in that anyhow....they come here to milk the cash cow and send money back to the old counrty...which they visit as often as possible. They have no interest in becoming Americanized....they hate America almost as much as white liberals.

Problems of the Second Generation: To be Young, Muslim, and American

There are subsets of people who can assimilate into our country in every ethnic group.

We just need to start choosing the best of them and not tokens.

The big problem with that is how do you know a good muslim from a bad one? Vetting is a joke...anyone familiar with how that is done knows it is a joke.

There are plenty of Europeans who would like to come to America....those are the ones that should be given preferance....just common sense.

'Which is the good one?' You can't tell a good Muslim from a bad one: Hanson

 

[JimBowie1958]

You and your ilk are the ones who have abandoned what made America great along with the truth.

My 'ilk'? lol, that is very telling of your open mindedness and critical thinking.

You and those who think like you essentially are driving America down to an eventual status of being just another 3rd world nation.

Unlike, say, Afghanistan, which is 100% white and a Third World dump?

Back in the 60's is when we got on the wrong track with our immigration. You try and complicate something that is not complicated at all...thereby just confusing yourself.

Yeah, that damned old Reality is just too dang complicated, aint it? Want to debate Quantum Physics? roflmao

When I say white folk...I refer to Europeans and Russians. That you find it so difficult to identify who is white speaks volumes.

Lol, so there are no white people outside of Europe and Russia? BTW, Russia is also considered a European nation, just thought I would share that with you.

Actually....you do not want to identify white folk...you want to make them irrelevant...you and those like you are eager to hand America over to the minorities...

Race is irrelevant, education, moral character and responsible behavior are not irrelevant.

You would let in a white drug dealing criminal from London as long as he was white, but disallow a nuclear physicist with a clean criminal record from Nigeria.

Now that is self-destructive demographic policy, along with White nationalism.

.you really believe that makes you morally superior? Laughable.

No. I am a scumbag.

But having the standard to strive for does make a huge difference.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The big problem with that is how do you know a good muslim from a bad one? Vetting is a joke...anyone familiar with how that is done knows it is a joke.

There are plenty of Europeans who would like to come to America....those are the ones that should be given preferance....just common sense.

'Which is the good one?' You can't tell a good Muslim from a bad one: Hanson

Lol, Victor needs to brush up on his command of immigration.

We can allow in any Muslim who meet the following criteria, IMO:

1. They have a documented history of employment and residence.

2. They have never repeatedly attended a mosque that has radicalized Salafist Jihadi clergy.

3. They have a clean criminal record.

4. They speak English.

5. They have a marketable trade in very high demand in the US economy.

 

[GWV5903]

I think Paul Ryan was bought.

You may be right, it’s interesting how cheap he is. He sucked as House Speaker, didn’t do enough to repeal ObamaCare...

I didn't see him out there once trying to help Republicans keep the House.

You’re 100% correct about this, he didn’t want Trump to succeed. He could have approached a large percentage of the retiring congressman and convinced them to seek re-election...the House would have remained under control, instead we have the Democratic majority with no clue how to lead. Typical politician, no f’ing clue how to get things done...

 

[mudwhistle]

I think Paul Ryan was bought.

You may be right, it’s interesting how cheap he is. He sucked as House Speaker, didn’t do enough to repeal ObamaCare...

I didn't see him out there once trying to help Republicans keep the House.

You’re 100% correct about this, he didn’t want Trump to succeed. He could have approached a large percentage of the retiring congressman and convinced them to seek re-election...the House would have remained under control, instead we have the Democratic majority with no clue how to lead. Typical politician, no f’ing clue how to get things done...

Paul Ryan knew how to run the House.....but for some reason he chose not to.
Maybe he was afraid of being found dead suffering from multiple blunt force traumas and declared a suicide.

 

[mudwhistle]

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Democrats have control over the media....so any Republican that does is either has to do it for the Democrats or they get exposed as fakes.

On the right, Identity Politics takes the form of White Nationalism., lol.

No.
The Left is using a false stereotype to trash patriotism.

 

[MacTheKnife]

I think Paul Ryan was bought.

You may be right, it’s interesting how cheap he is. He sucked as House Speaker, didn’t do enough to repeal ObamaCare...

I didn't see him out there once trying to help Republicans keep the House.

You’re 100% correct about this, he didn’t want Trump to succeed. He could have approached a large percentage of the retiring congressman and convinced them to seek re-election...the House would have remained under control, instead we have the Democratic majority with no clue how to lead. Typical politician, no f’ing clue how to get things done...

The guy is a idiot....even bumbling biden made him look like a fool in the debates....so pathetic.

 

[MacTheKnife]

The big problem with that is how do you know a good muslim from a bad one? Vetting is a joke...anyone familiar with how that is done knows it is a joke.

There are plenty of Europeans who would like to come to America....those are the ones that should be given preferance....just common sense.

'Which is the good one?' You can't tell a good Muslim from a bad one: Hanson

Lol, Victor needs to brush up on his command of immigration.

We can allow in any Muslim who meet the following criteria, IMO:

1. They have a documented history of employment and residence.

2. They have never repeatedly attended a mosque that has radicalized Salafist Jihadi clergy.

3. They have a clean criminal record.

4. They speak English.

5. They have a marketable trade in very high demand in the US economy.

Sounds much better to me but the problem of their kids remains.....they are the ones so susceptible to radicalization and the ones who have comitted horrendous acts of terrorism in the homeland.

Anyhow...if the criteria you suggest was enforced the net result would be practically zero muslim immigrants. The great majority of them have no paper trail...impossible to vet them in a credible manner. Not even to mention the great majority of them have been exposed to radical islamic teachings from a very early age.

Due to the possibility of terrorists obtaining or constructing weapons of mass destruction...it is obvious that we cannot afford to even let in a few of the bad guys.....the best path we should trod in relation to immigration of muslims is to play it safe....keep all of them out. And just as importantly do not let the ones already here come and go to the middle east....where it has been shown many of them get radicalized when they go back to visit....pressure is brought to bear on them to participate at some level in terrorism. Wake up folks......do not let charlatans mislead you in the name of some moralistic ideal that so many liberals embrace feeling it makes them superior to other white folk.

 

[MacTheKnife]

You and your ilk are the ones who have abandoned what made America great along with the truth.

My 'ilk'? lol, that is very telling of your open mindedness and critical thinking.

You and those who think like you essentially are driving America down to an eventual status of being just another 3rd world nation.

Unlike, say, Afghanistan, which is 100% white and a Third World dump?

Back in the 60's is when we got on the wrong track with our immigration. You try and complicate something that is not complicated at all...thereby just confusing yourself.

Yeah, that damned old Reality is just too dang complicated, aint it? Want to debate Quantum Physics? roflmao

When I say white folk...I refer to Europeans and Russians. That you find it so difficult to identify who is white speaks volumes.

Lol, so there are no white people outside of Europe and Russia? BTW, Russia is also considered a European nation, just thought I would share that with you.

Actually....you do not want to identify white folk...you want to make them irrelevant...you and those like you are eager to hand America over to the minorities...

Race is irrelevant, education, moral character and responsible behavior are not irrelevant.

You would let in a white drug dealing criminal from London as long as he was white, but disallow a nuclear physicist with a clean criminal record from Nigeria.

Now that is self-destructive demographic policy, along with White nationalism.

.you really believe that makes you morally superior? Laughable.

No. I am a scumbag.

But having the standard to strive for does make a huge difference.

Some consider Russians to be Asians but as I stated the ones living in the European part of Russia are considered white.

Race is a great predictor of capability, behavior, morals and intelligence. Race is much more than just skin deep.

Did I say anything about letting drug dealers in? Of course not...you are attempting to be disingenous and you are failing.

It is quite obvious your are very coinfused much of which is very likely the result of watching too much fake news.

Race and Physical Differences - American Renaissance

 

[JimBowie1958]

On the right, Identity Politics takes the form of White Nationalism., lol.

No.
The Left is using a false stereotype to trash patriotism.

The racialists like MacktheKnife here are not mere stereotypes, but a genuine form of Identity Politics that targets organizing white people along the lines of racial interests.

That is a significant part of the rise of the Alt-Right, i.e. that part of the right wing of politics that is hostile to the traditional conservative ideological establishment and world view.

 

[Mac1958]

That is a significant part of the rise of the Alt-Right, i.e. that part of the right wing of politics that is hostile to the traditional conservative ideological establishment and world view.

These are the people who are making Identity Politics so easy to sell. They're just as important as those who push Identity Politics.
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[MacTheKnife]

On the right, Identity Politics takes the form of White Nationalism., lol.

No.
The Left is using a false stereotype to trash patriotism.

The racialists like MacktheKnife here are not mere stereotypes, but a genuine form of Identity Politics that targets organizing white people along the lines of racial interests.

That is a significant part of the rise of the Alt-Right, i.e. that part of the right wing of politics that is hostile to the traditional conservative ideological establishment and world view.

Malarky....you have no idea what true conservatism is. What you like is the elitist/establishment bullshite. You remain coinfused and probablly always will be as in it is beyond you to do some authentic research into the various ideologies...you parrot the crap from msm.....In a nutshell....you are immersed from top to bottom in the religion of leftism..........................

'What is the religious dogma of leftism? There are several sacraments, each made utterly resistant to treason, experience, or logic by the druid clergy of leftism. (1) There are immutable classes of victims and victimizers beyond remediation except through a constant procession of human sacrifices. (2) There are institutions that demand more and more resources and that can never been considered failures. (3) Nations are to be compressed into provinces of a world government and peoples into a single undifferentiated humanity.'

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/11/the_religion_of_leftism.html

deal wid it chump.

 

[there4eyeM]

The United States and the world are not those of the end of the eighteenth century. They are not the same places. They require the kind of thinking and creativity some may have had in the past, not a repetition of the past. Society has developed into forms that thinking from the past cannot confront. Scientific facts transcend all previous ages. If we pretend we can cower under a blanket while change takes place, the changes will definitely not go well.

 

[MacTheKnife]

The United States and the world are not those of the end of the eighteenth century. They are not the same places. They require the kind of thinking and creativity some may have had in the past, not a repetition of the past. Society has developed into forms that thinking from the past cannot confront. Scientific facts transcend all previous ages. If we pretend we can cower under a blanket while change takes place, the changes will definitely not go well.

A new study suggests that people living today are considerably less intelligent than people living a couple centuries ago, to the tune of 14 fewer IQ points on average.


Think Fast, Are We Really Getting Dumber?

 

[Votto]

Not long ago I came to the realization that Identity Politics runs the political discourse and machinery of Western Civilization, if one can say it still exists in a Post-modern intellectual environment and exemplified by the Kate Steinle murder. So it would seem that white people should organize and represent themselves as have Hispanics, blacks, homosexuals, radicalized women, etc, or else we would be left with no place at the political table, not represented.

Seems to be a rational choice given the tribalism that runs our culture, but only if you are an 'oppressed minority', and that oppression might be at any time and any place. The primary consideration for tolerance of a group organizing is how well such a group fits into a Post-Modern, pseudo-Marxist agenda and narrative.

I have never been overly concerned with being viewed as a misfit or social reject as our society is run by people who are trying to destroy us as a culture and civilization by remaking it all into some monstrosity of Consumer driven Hedonism guided only by Narcissism. But I wanted to understand White Nationalism more deeply before I formally tossed my hat into that ring of ideological madness.

1) The first thing I learned is that White Nationalism stems from an adoption of Identity Politics as a world view, that ones group identity determines ones character and potential, which I cannot accept. Racialism of the WEB Du Bois sort is misleading in that there are other categorizations of the human species such as phenotype and somatotype that more accurately describe the health and mentality of an individual than racialism does, though Somatotype theory is rightly dismissed as an over-generalization of the human being even so.

Categorizing people by race makes as much sense as buying a new car based solely on the color of the paint job which is irrational to say the least.

2) But that Identity Politics and its attendant racialism is irrational should surprise no one since it is part of the broader Post-Modern movement which rejects rationality altogether.

While encompassing a wide variety of approaches, postmodernism is generally defined by an attitude of skepticism, irony, or rejection toward the meta-narratives and ideologies of modernism, often calling into question various assumptions of Enlightenment rationality.[5] Consequently, common targets of postmodern critique include universalist notions of objective reality, morality, truth, human nature, reason, language, and social progress.[5] Postmodern thinkers frequently call attention to the contingent or socially-conditioned nature of knowledge claims and value systems, situating them as products of particular political, historical, or cultural discourses and hierarchies.[5] Accordingly, postmodern thought is broadly characterized by tendencies to self-referentiality, epistemological and moral relativism, pluralism, subjectivism, and irreverence. - Postmodernism - Wikipedia​

The Disuniting of America: Reflections on a Multicultural Society is a 1991 book written by American historian Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr., a former advisor to the Kennedy and other US administrations and a winner of the Pulitzer Prize.

Schlesinger states that a new attitude, one that celebrates difference and abandons assimilation, may replace the classic image of the melting pot in which differences are submerged in democracy. He argues that ethnic awareness has had many positive consequences to unite a nation with a "history of prejudice." However, the "cult of ethnicity," if pushed too far, may endanger the unity of society.

According to Schlesinger, multiculturalists are "very often ethnocentric separatists who see little in the Western heritage other than Western crimes." Their "mood is one of divesting Americans of their sinful European inheritance and seeking redemptive infusions from non-Western cultures."[1] - The Disuniting of America - Wikipedia​

Linguist Noam Chomsky has argued that postmodernism is meaningless because it adds nothing to analytical or empirical knowledge. He asks why postmodernist intellectuals won't respond like people in other fields when asked:

Seriously, what are the principles of their theories, on what evidence are they based, what do they explain that wasn't already obvious, etc? These are fair requests for anyone to make. If they can't be met, then I'd suggest recourse to Hume's advice in similar circumstances: to the flames.[1]​

Christopher Hitchens in his book, Why Orwell Matters, writes, in advocating for simple, clear and direct expression of ideas, "The Postmodernists' tyranny wears people down by boredom and semi-literate prose."[2] Hitchens also criticized a postmodernist volume, "The Johns Hopkins Guide to Literary Theory and Criticism":[3] "The French, as it happens, once evolved an expression for this sort of prose: la langue de bois, the wooden tongue, in which nothing useful or enlightening can be said, but in which various excuses for the arbitrary and the dishonest can be offered. (This book) is a pointer to the abysmal state of mind that prevails in so many of our universities."

In a similar vein, Richard Dawkins writes in a favorable review of Alan Sokal and Jean Bricmont's Intellectual Impostures:[4]

Suppose you are an intellectual impostor with nothing to say, but with strong ambitions to succeed in academic life, collect a coterie of reverent disciples and have students around the world anoint your pages with respectful yellow highlighter. What kind of literary style would you cultivate? Not a lucid one, surely, for clarity would expose your lack of content.​

Dawkins then uses a quotation from Félix Guattari as an example of this "lack of content". - Criticism of postmodernism - Wikipedia​

This rejection of objectivity, morality, truth, reason and social progress is what is killing our civilization which makes anything associated with Post-modern thought a form of cultural suicide for any culture. So, in essence, an acceptance of White Nationalism is an indirect adoption of moral relativism, subjectivism, and irrationality as well as the fraud of racial thinking in general.

3) When I consider what is best for our culture, our nation and our progeny, things that are evolutionally valid considerations, I cannot accept the notion that we cannot improve our society and culture. I cannot accept the insanity of a subjective world view that creates only intellectual/moral chaos and mistrust. I cannot accept a world view that inevitably leads to cultural extinction and moral decay.

White Nationalism is just one more form of the Decadence that is the only true existential threat to our nation, our civilization and Humanity itself.

4) White Nationalism, as a part of the Identity Politics rubric of ideas, weakens the organized impact of the working class as a whole.

Historian Arthur Schlesinger Jr. discussed identity politics extensively in his 1991 book The Disuniting of America. Schlesinger, a strong supporter of liberal conceptions of civil rights, argues that a liberal democracy requires a common basis for culture and society to function. In his view, basing politics on group marginalization fractures the civil polity, and therefore works against creating real opportunities for ending marginalization. Schlesinger believes that "movements for civil rights should aim toward full acceptance and integration of marginalized groups into the mainstream culture, rather than...perpetuating that marginalization through affirmations of difference".[17]

Brendan O'Neill has contrasted the politics of gay liberation and identity politics by saying "... [Peter] Tatchell also had, back in the day, ... a commitment to the politics of liberation, which encouraged gays to come out and live and engage. Now, we have the politics of identity, which invites people to stay in, to look inward, to obsess over the body and the self, to surround themselves with a moral forcefield to protect their worldview—which has nothing to do with the world—from any questioning."[18]

Author Owen Jones argues that identity politics often marginalize the working class, saying that:

In the 1950s and 1960s, left-wing intellectuals who were both inspired and informed by a powerful labour movement wrote hundreds of books and articles on working-class issues. Such work would help shape the views of politicians at the very top of the Labour Party. Today, progressive intellectuals are far more interested in issues of identity. ... Of course, the struggles for the emancipation of women, gays, and ethnic minorities are exceptionally important causes. New Labour has co-opted them, passing genuinely progressive legislation on gay equality and women's rights, for example. But it is an agenda that has happily co-existed with the sidelining of the working class in politics, allowing New Labour to protect its radical flank while pressing ahead with Thatcherite policies.

— Owen Jones, Chavs: The Demonization of the Working Class[19]​

There is no redeeming feature to White Nationalism and it represents a step backwards for working class people of all races, genders and faiths.

I urge fellow patriots and civic Americans to fight Identity Politics in all its forms as much as they would fight Marxism or fascism.

This threat is very real and poses an existential threat far worse than any other of our time to include terrorism and environmental change. We can handle those problems if we remain rational and objective, but Identity Politics, White Nationalism, and Post-Modernism reject these tools to survive and would doom us all to eventual extinction.

There is much confusion about nationalism and white nationalism. White nationalism is a racist ideology as where nationalism is simply representing voters ahead of global interests.

Back in the day, white nationalism was used to expand the country of the US. Brown skinned Indians were seen as inferior, thus giving citizens the rationalization for taking their land and killing them off. It was because they were savages. Once they believed this, they could bypass their humanity in the name of conquest without a conscience bothering them about it.

But as for the American Indian, the tribes tried to join forces to fight off the invaders. It was either defend their national identity by fighting off the mass immigration or die. Yes, they were nationalists but it was not predicated on racism like the white nationalism was by the Europeans.

Today, America needs to secure its border, or perhaps go way of the American Indian. Are their white nationalists that join this movement? Yes, but they are by far a minority, making up under 5%.

 

[MacTheKnife]

Not long ago I came to the realization that Identity Politics runs the political discourse and machinery of Western Civilization, if one can say it still exists in a Post-modern intellectual environment and exemplified by the Kate Steinle murder. So it would seem that white people should organize and represent themselves as have Hispanics, blacks, homosexuals, radicalized women, etc, or else we would be left with no place at the political table, not represented.

Seems to be a rational choice given the tribalism that runs our culture, but only if you are an 'oppressed minority', and that oppression might be at any time and any place. The primary consideration for tolerance of a group organizing is how well such a group fits into a Post-Modern, pseudo-Marxist agenda and narrative.

I have never been overly concerned with being viewed as a misfit or social reject as our society is run by people who are trying to destroy us as a culture and civilization by remaking it all into some monstrosity of Consumer driven Hedonism guided only by Narcissism. But I wanted to understand White Nationalism more deeply before I formally tossed my hat into that ring of ideological madness.

1) The first thing I learned is that White Nationalism stems from an adoption of Identity Politics as a world view, that ones group identity determines ones character and potential, which I cannot accept. Racialism of the WEB Du Bois sort is misleading in that there are other categorizations of the human species such as phenotype and somatotype that more accurately describe the health and mentality of an individual than racialism does, though Somatotype theory is rightly dismissed as an over-generalization of the human being even so.

Categorizing people by race makes as much sense as buying a new car based solely on the color of the paint job which is irrational to say the least.

2) But that Identity Politics and its attendant racialism is irrational should surprise no one since it is part of the broader Post-Modern movement which rejects rationality altogether.

While encompassing a wide variety of approaches, postmodernism is generally defined by an attitude of skepticism, irony, or rejection toward the meta-narratives and ideologies of modernism, often calling into question various assumptions of Enlightenment rationality.[5] Consequently, common targets of postmodern critique include universalist notions of objective reality, morality, truth, human nature, reason, language, and social progress.[5] Postmodern thinkers frequently call attention to the contingent or socially-conditioned nature of knowledge claims and value systems, situating them as products of particular political, historical, or cultural discourses and hierarchies.[5] Accordingly, postmodern thought is broadly characterized by tendencies to self-referentiality, epistemological and moral relativism, pluralism, subjectivism, and irreverence. - Postmodernism - Wikipedia​

The Disuniting of America: Reflections on a Multicultural Society is a 1991 book written by American historian Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr., a former advisor to the Kennedy and other US administrations and a winner of the Pulitzer Prize.

Schlesinger states that a new attitude, one that celebrates difference and abandons assimilation, may replace the classic image of the melting pot in which differences are submerged in democracy. He argues that ethnic awareness has had many positive consequences to unite a nation with a "history of prejudice." However, the "cult of ethnicity," if pushed too far, may endanger the unity of society.

According to Schlesinger, multiculturalists are "very often ethnocentric separatists who see little in the Western heritage other than Western crimes." Their "mood is one of divesting Americans of their sinful European inheritance and seeking redemptive infusions from non-Western cultures."[1] - The Disuniting of America - Wikipedia​

Linguist Noam Chomsky has argued that postmodernism is meaningless because it adds nothing to analytical or empirical knowledge. He asks why postmodernist intellectuals won't respond like people in other fields when asked:

Seriously, what are the principles of their theories, on what evidence are they based, what do they explain that wasn't already obvious, etc? These are fair requests for anyone to make. If they can't be met, then I'd suggest recourse to Hume's advice in similar circumstances: to the flames.[1]​

Christopher Hitchens in his book, Why Orwell Matters, writes, in advocating for simple, clear and direct expression of ideas, "The Postmodernists' tyranny wears people down by boredom and semi-literate prose."[2] Hitchens also criticized a postmodernist volume, "The Johns Hopkins Guide to Literary Theory and Criticism":[3] "The French, as it happens, once evolved an expression for this sort of prose: la langue de bois, the wooden tongue, in which nothing useful or enlightening can be said, but in which various excuses for the arbitrary and the dishonest can be offered. (This book) is a pointer to the abysmal state of mind that prevails in so many of our universities."

In a similar vein, Richard Dawkins writes in a favorable review of Alan Sokal and Jean Bricmont's Intellectual Impostures:[4]

Suppose you are an intellectual impostor with nothing to say, but with strong ambitions to succeed in academic life, collect a coterie of reverent disciples and have students around the world anoint your pages with respectful yellow highlighter. What kind of literary style would you cultivate? Not a lucid one, surely, for clarity would expose your lack of content.​

Dawkins then uses a quotation from Félix Guattari as an example of this "lack of content". - Criticism of postmodernism - Wikipedia​

This rejection of objectivity, morality, truth, reason and social progress is what is killing our civilization which makes anything associated with Post-modern thought a form of cultural suicide for any culture. So, in essence, an acceptance of White Nationalism is an indirect adoption of moral relativism, subjectivism, and irrationality as well as the fraud of racial thinking in general.

3) When I consider what is best for our culture, our nation and our progeny, things that are evolutionally valid considerations, I cannot accept the notion that we cannot improve our society and culture. I cannot accept the insanity of a subjective world view that creates only intellectual/moral chaos and mistrust. I cannot accept a world view that inevitably leads to cultural extinction and moral decay.

White Nationalism is just one more form of the Decadence that is the only true existential threat to our nation, our civilization and Humanity itself.

4) White Nationalism, as a part of the Identity Politics rubric of ideas, weakens the organized impact of the working class as a whole.

Historian Arthur Schlesinger Jr. discussed identity politics extensively in his 1991 book The Disuniting of America. Schlesinger, a strong supporter of liberal conceptions of civil rights, argues that a liberal democracy requires a common basis for culture and society to function. In his view, basing politics on group marginalization fractures the civil polity, and therefore works against creating real opportunities for ending marginalization. Schlesinger believes that "movements for civil rights should aim toward full acceptance and integration of marginalized groups into the mainstream culture, rather than...perpetuating that marginalization through affirmations of difference".[17]

Brendan O'Neill has contrasted the politics of gay liberation and identity politics by saying "... [Peter] Tatchell also had, back in the day, ... a commitment to the politics of liberation, which encouraged gays to come out and live and engage. Now, we have the politics of identity, which invites people to stay in, to look inward, to obsess over the body and the self, to surround themselves with a moral forcefield to protect their worldview—which has nothing to do with the world—from any questioning."[18]

Author Owen Jones argues that identity politics often marginalize the working class, saying that:

In the 1950s and 1960s, left-wing intellectuals who were both inspired and informed by a powerful labour movement wrote hundreds of books and articles on working-class issues. Such work would help shape the views of politicians at the very top of the Labour Party. Today, progressive intellectuals are far more interested in issues of identity. ... Of course, the struggles for the emancipation of women, gays, and ethnic minorities are exceptionally important causes. New Labour has co-opted them, passing genuinely progressive legislation on gay equality and women's rights, for example. But it is an agenda that has happily co-existed with the sidelining of the working class in politics, allowing New Labour to protect its radical flank while pressing ahead with Thatcherite policies.

— Owen Jones, Chavs: The Demonization of the Working Class[19]​

There is no redeeming feature to White Nationalism and it represents a step backwards for working class people of all races, genders and faiths.

I urge fellow patriots and civic Americans to fight Identity Politics in all its forms as much as they would fight Marxism or fascism.

This threat is very real and poses an existential threat far worse than any other of our time to include terrorism and environmental change. We can handle those problems if we remain rational and objective, but Identity Politics, White Nationalism, and Post-Modernism reject these tools to survive and would doom us all to eventual extinction.

There is much confusion about nationalism and white nationalism. White nationalism is a racist ideology as where nationalism is simply representing voters ahead of global interests.

Back in the day, white nationalism was used to expand the country of the US. Brown skinned Indians were seen as inferior, thus giving citizens the rationalization for taking their land and killing them off. It was because they were savages. Once they believed this, they could bypass their humanity in the name of conquest without a conscience bothering them about it.

But as for the American Indian, the tribes tried to join forces to fight off the invaders. It was either defend their national identity by fighting off the mass immigration or die. Yes, they were nationalists but it was not predicated on racism like the white nationalism was by the Europeans.

Today, America needs to secure its border, or perhaps go way of the American Indian. Are their white nationalists that join this movement? Yes, but they are by far a minority, making up under 5%.

I do not want to bust your bubble boyo ...particularly due to the fact that you are about half right and perhaps susceptible to learning some more truths.

According to many scholars of nationalism, race and racism are essential factors of the process of national idenity formation. There are many key and strong elements of racism in Nationalism. In fact Nationalism is a necessary condition for racism and in already constituted national states, nationalist movements camouflage racism. Many researchers understand that in general nationalism and racism are compellingly linked.

Due to decades of federal programming in our once vaunted public school system generations have been overwhelmingly indoctrinated into believing that racism is a great evil. Quite pathetic.

Anyhow....I do not want to get bogged down in definitions of racism etc. I just want to emphatically make the case that what we need in America today is white racial unity....like the negroes, the mexicans and the Jews have already. Because they are minorities this does not disturb the powers that be, the elitists and the establishment.

Again....White folk need to be racially united and they need to get out and vote in overwhelming numbers....we do not have long to save America...the odds are rather small that we will be able to do so due to demographic trends....but if in these next few years whilst white folks are still in the majority we have the capability if we choose to use it to take control of America and get it back on track.

Does any sane white person want to see their kids, grandkids or even great-grandkids be forced to live in a 3rd world country? That is where we are headed if white folk do not get involved and quit getting distracted by work, sports and other entertainment forms. Get off the couch, get educated, become politically and racially aware, join a milita, vote and help America be great again for all time.