Zone1 Why dont Jews believe Jesus is their messiah?

[theHawk]

If ever in a court of law----NEVAH SAY "HE SEEEMS TO BELIEVE....." your testimony will be disregarded and you will
be known as an idiot

Well I have heard Jews here say that.

According to modern day “Rabbis” the messiah will be merely human.

Show me a modern Jew that says the Messiah will be divine.

 

[irosie91]

Just because someone is baptized, doesn’t mean they remain faithful to the religion.

oh----but jews SO BORN are required by the SUNDAY SCHOOL teachers to do whatever the sunday school teachers IMAGINE they
are supposed to do-----sounds familiar-----I grew up in a town full of good people with a very clear propensity to christianity that Magda Goebbels espoused----in her white veil ----in church ----gazing at a portrait of MUTHA MARY

 

[buttercup]

Many Jews did believe in Jesus, they become the first Christians.

If you’ve read the Bible, you’d know that majority of Israel breaks faith with God and failed to follow his commandments time and time again. Why would it be any different with the Messiah? During the time of Moses, they witnessed God and the Angel of God (the Son) perform great miracles to get them out of Egypt and afterwords as well. Yet they still grumbled against Moses and complained. They still made a false idol at the footsteps of Mt. Sinai.

Is it really that hard to believe most Jews would not know God or understand the prophecies?


Jews today totally disregard the Tanakh and make up excuses for the many passages that clearly point to Jesus.

Not only that but their own scriptures state that the Jewish people would miss the Messiah. Psalm 118:22, for one example, but there are more. But it also says that in the last days God will pour out a spirit of grace upon them and they will finally see. (Zechariah 12:10)

 

[irosie91]

Well I have heard Jews here say that.

According to modern day “Rabbis” the messiah will be merely human.

Show me a modern Jew that says the Messiah will be divine.

According to GAWD---the Messiah is a human----not a "GOD" ---like HERCULES. ----or Zeus. Stick to your studies on MOUNT OLYMPUS

 

[theHawk]

oh----but jews SO BORN are required by the SUNDAY SCHOOL teachers to do whatever the sunday school teachers IMAGINE they
are supposed to do-----sounds familiar-----I grew up in a town full of good people with a very clear propensity to christianity that Magda Goebbels espoused----in her white veil ----in church ----gazing at a portrait of MUTHA MARY

What are you babbling about?

Keep running to your Talmud Rabbis for false teachings. They can’t even acknowledge the Tanakh they are so twisted.

 

[irosie91]

Not only that but their own scriptures state that the Jewish people would miss the Messiah. Psalm 118:22, for one example, but there are more. But it also says that in the last days God will pour out a spirit of grace upon them and they will finally see. (Zechariah 12:10)

and there are many predictions of the VILE FILTH which christianity will heap on the world----ongoing for 2000 years and counting

 

[theHawk]

According to GAWD---the Messiah is a human----not a "GOD" ---like HERCULES. ----or Zeus. Stick to your studies on MOUNT OLYMPUS

Feel free to show us the verses in the Jewish Tanakh that say so.

 

[irosie91]

What are you babbling about?

Keep running to your Talmud Rabbis for false teachings. They can’t even acknowledge the Tanakh they are so twisted.

oh gee----another Jelly-bean school valeditorian---Like Josef

Feel free to show us the verses in the Jewish Tanakh that say so.

Isaiah-----b'yamim acher---- (verses is a christian perversion)

 

[theHawk]

and there are many predictions of the VILE FILTH which christianity will heap on the world----ongoing for 2000 years and counting

^^ LOL there we have it, the “Jew” comes clean about how she really feels about Christians. “Vile filth”.

And of course Jews are the super wise, intelligent, and moral ones. They brought us wonderful things like Marxism and communism. They run the entire corrupt media in the West. The entire porn industry is run by Jews. But if you dare criticize them, you’re an “anti-Semite” and they’re the victim!

 

[irosie91]

^^ LOL there we have it, the “Jew” comes clean about how she really feels about Christians. “Vile filth”.

And of course Jews are the super wise, intelligent, and moral ones. They brought us wonderful things like Marxism and communism. They run the entire corrupt media in the West. The entire porn industry is run by Jews. But if you dare criticize them, you’re an “anti-Semite” and they’re the victim!

you've been reading the islamo nazi literature. I know it well--I grew up in the area of the USA that was (is) the epicenter of NAZI
AMERICA. ----full of people like you----I even attended jelly bean school (as a guest) about a dozen times----I know you well----have some BLUTWURST ----it will satisfy some of your cravings.

 

[shockedcanadian]

The temple was rebuilt in three days. Once Jesus was resurrected he and the Church are the new temple. It isn’t a temple of stone, it is the mystical body of Christ.

It is your belief, to each their own. Jesus was a gentle human being and a great presenter of many of the tenets of the Torah, but he waivered from the original text. Now, interpretations of the bible are presented all the time, be it by Rabbi or Priests, so that isn't a disqualifier in my opinion, but to suggest one is the Messiah without all of the required preconditions being met, it just doesnt pass the smell test. Christianity is a great religion, like most when practiced correctly. Today few people of Faith are loyal to their teachings though, and thus we are lacking our humanity be it Jews, Muslim or Christian, it's a sad time. Or, some of us turned the other cheek and suffered endlessly. G-d commands and we pretend that we are free to pick and choose, disregarding how critical it is to bring peace and light into the world among each other, not hate. How important it is to demand the same.of others in their treatment of each other AND ourselves too!

 

[irosie91]

It is your belief, to each their own. Jesus was a gentle human being and a great presenter of many of the tenets of the Torah, but he waivered from the original text. Now, interpretations of the bible are presented all the time, be it by Rabbi or Priests, so that isn't a disqualifier in my opinion, but to suggest one is the Messiah without all of the required preconditions being met, it just doesnt pass the smell test. Christianity is a great religion, like most when practiced correctly. Today few people of Faith are loyal to their teachings though, and thus we are lacking our humanity be it Jews, Muslim or Christian, it's a sad time. Or, some of us turned the other cheek and suffered endlessly. G-d commands and we pretend that we are free to pick and choose, disregarding how critical it is to bring peace and light into the world among each other, not hate. How important it is to demand the samd.kf.others in their treatment of each other AND ourselves too!

" Jesus was a gentle human being and a great presenter of many of the tenets of the Torah, but he waivered from the original text."
really??----from which text did he waiver?

 

[shockedcanadian]

" Jesus was a gentle human being and a great presenter of many of the tenets of the Torah, but he waivered from the original text."
really??----from which text did he waiver?

Many could be listed,.including eating habits. Im not sure how familiar you are with the New Testament but it was covered in the Book of Mark. This included he and his deciples not.washing their hands before eating, nor requiring that food be Kosher per se. Basically "all food is clean", I presume this means even pork etc. His interpretation of the Golden Rule as it is coined is also different from the Talmud which I addressed here in e past.. There are many more examples

 

[braalian]

Jews don’t believe Jesus is the messiah for the same reasons Christians don’t believe Mohammed is the final prophet

They’re different religions

 

[buttercup]

Many could be listed,.including eating habits. Im not sure how familiar you are with the New Testament but it was covered in the Book of Mark. This included he and his deciples not.washing their hands before eating, nor requiring that food be Kosher per se. Basically "all food is clean", I presume this means even pork etc. His interpretation of the Golden Rule as it is coined is also different from the Talmud which I addressed here in e past.. There are many more examples

If you're talking about Mark 7:19, the line "making all foods clean" is a translator's note, it's not Jesus' words. That's why in many bible versions it's in parenthesis. But that line is not in the original Greek.

If you look at the King James Version, it's much closer to the original. It says: "Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats" - which just means that when you eat food, you expel it (it comes out the other end.) The interpreter changed that to "thus declaring all foods clean" which has been extremely misleading to billions of Christians.

The parallel verse (Matthew 15:17) clarifies that, it says: "Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body?"

The idea that Jesus came along and said "Now everything is on the menu!" is one of the biggest misconceptions held by mainstream Christians.

As my current sig says, Jesus wants MERCY. He wants us to be merciful. (Which goes directly against eating any animals.) The idea that Jesus would ever eat a pig is insane and to me shows someone who doesn't know Jesus as much as they think they do. But as a vegan Christian, I know I'm in a tiny minority.

PS: Everyone should see the documentary Christspiracy.

 

[fncceo]

with the Jews ruling over mankind

We already do … but shhhhhhh

Don’t tell the oyim-gay.

 

[shockedcanadian]

If you're talking about Mark 7:19, the line "making all foods clean" is a translator's note, it's not Jesus' words. That's why in many bible versions it's in parenthesis. But that line is not in the original Greek.

If you look at the King James Version, it's much closer to the original. It says: "Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats" - which just means that when you eat food, you expel it (it comes out the other end.) The interpreter changed that to "thus declaring all foods clean" which has been extremely misleading to billions of Christians.

The parallel verse (Matthew 15:17) clarifies that, it says: "Don’t you see that whatever enters the mouth goes into the stomach and then out of the body?"

The idea that Jesus came along and said "Now everything is on the menu!" is one of the biggest misconceptions held by mainstream Christians.

As my current sig says, Jesus wants MERCY. He wants us to be merciful. (Which goes directly against eating any animals.) The idea that Jesus would ever eat a pig is insane and to me shows someone who doesn't know Jesus as much as they think they do. But as a vegan Christian, I know I'm in a tiny minority.

PS: Everyone should see the documentary Christspiracy.

I dont have a problem with Jesus as a Rabbi. He has had an immensely positive impact on the world. He was a human being though, he wasn't G-d. I personally never prayed to Jesus per se but did pray to G-d even as a kid. His lessons are generally about mercy and forgiveness, which are truly Jewish concepts a Rabbi would support. There are countless examples of the importance of these concepts in Judaism. From our laws to the way we must fullfill the Mitvot, critical calls to action,.commands to us. I would say there is a reason many Christians are converting to Judaism, in record numbers. It isn't enough to just say "I am Christian" while allowing the abuse of humanity especially by those in authority. History shows where this leads and then Christians say "how"? How is due to a lack of care to ACT and stand up for justice and mercy, not just say it in prayer or thought. I know all too well the actions of men against others in Canada alone, far from Christian I can attest. To.each their own,.I don't try to influence others. I can only express my beliefs and Faith, we all have our own path to follow.

 

[buttercup]

I dont have a problem with Jesus as a Rabbi. He has had an immensely positive impact on the world. He was a human being though, he wasn't G-d.

You reminded me of a famous quote by C.S Lewis. It's a long quote, so I'm going to break it up into paragraphs, but please read the whole thing.

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"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: “I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept His claim to be God.” That is the one thing we must not say.​

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A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic—on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg—or else he would be the Devil of Hell.​

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You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse.​

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You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.​

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Now it seems to me obvious that He was neither a lunatic nor a fiend: and consequently, however strange or terrifying or unlikely it may seem, I have to accept the view that He was and is God."

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I know you don't believe this now, but I can't stress this enough...Jesus IS the Messiah! He fulfilled hundreds of Messianic prophecies. The only ones that have yet to be fulfilled are the ones regarding the second coming of Christ and the new Heaven and Earth.

Remember, most of the first Christians were Jewish. And these days, a lot of Jewish people have come faith in Jesus. I even posted a thread about this at one point... I'll get the link.

Here it is. Watch some of these testimonies. There are some beautiful and amazing testimonies here:

Jewish testimonies (I absolutely love these)

I always love hearing people’s testimonies on how they came to Jesus. But I think there’s something special about Jewish testimonies. There’s a reason for that, but instead of sharing my thoughts on it, for now I’ll just share these videos. I highly recommend you watch them, whether you’re a...

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[shockedcanadian]

You reminded me of a famous quote by C.S Lewis. It's a long quote, so I'm going to break it up into paragraphs, but please read the whole thing.

"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: “I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept His claim to be God.” That is the one thing we must not say.​

​

A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic—on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg—or else he would be the Devil of Hell.​

​

You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse.​

​

You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.​

​

Now it seems to me obvious that He was neither a lunatic nor a fiend: and consequently, however strange or terrifying or unlikely it may seem, I have to accept the view that He was and is God."​

I know you don't believe this now, but I can't stress this enough...Jesus IS the Messiah! He fulfilled hundreds of Messianic prophecies. The only ones that have yet to be fulfilled are the ones regarding the second coming of Christ and the new Heaven and Earth.

Remember, most of the first Christians were Jewish. And these days, a lot of Jewish people have come faith in Jesus. I even posted a thread about this at one point... I'll get the link.

Here it is. Watch some of these testimonies. There are some beautiful and amazing testimonies here:

Jewish testimonies (I absolutely love these)

I always love hearing people’s testimonies on how they came to Jesus. But I think there’s something special about Jewish testimonies. There’s a reason for that, but instead of sharing my thoughts on it, for now I’ll just share these videos. I highly recommend you watch them, whether you’re a...

www.usmessageboard.com

Sure, he is expressing his position, that's fine. Jesus cannot be the Messiah if he didn't fullfill the book. You cannot square that circle.

 

[buttercup]

Sure, he is expressing his position, that's fine. Jesus cannot be the Messiah if he didn't fullfill the book. You cannot square that circle.

Again, He fulfilled hundreds of Messianic prophecies! The only ones not yet fulfilled are the ones that happen at the second coming of Christ.

Here are just some, it would be too long to post a complete list:

1. Born of a Virgin: Isaiah 7:14 - "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel."
   
   
2. Born in Bethlehem: Micah 5:2 - "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel."
   
   
3. A Descendant of Abraham: Genesis 12:3 - "...and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."
   
   
4. A Descendant of Isaac: Genesis 21:12 - "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned."
   
   
5. A Descendant of Jacob: Numbers 24:17 - "A star will come out of Jacob; a scepter will rise out of Israel."
   
   
6. From the Lineage of Judah: Genesis 49:10 - "The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler's staff from between his feet."
   
   
7. He Will Be Called a Nazorean: Isaiah 11:1 - "A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit." (Nazareth is associated with the word “Branch”.)
   
   
8. Perform Miracles: Isaiah 35:5-6 - "Then will the eyes of the blind be opened and the ears of the deaf unstopped...".
   
   
9. Betrayed by a Friend: Psalm 41:9 - "Even my close friend, someone I trusted, one who shared my bread, has turned against me."
   
   
10. Sold for Thirty Pieces of Silver: Zechariah 11:12-13 - "...they paid me thirty pieces of silver."
    
    
11. Crucified with Criminals: Isaiah 53:12 - "He bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."
    
    
12. Silent Before His Accusers: Isaiah 53:7 - "He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth..."
    
    
13. Suffered for Our Transgressions: Isaiah 53:5 - "But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities..."
    
    
14. Buried with the Rich: Isaiah 53:9 - "...he was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death..."
    
    
15. Resurrection Foretold: Psalm 16:10 - "...because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead, nor will you let your faithful one see decay."
    
    
16. Ascension to God’s Right Hand : Psalm 68 :18 – “When you ascended on high...”
    
    
17. The Coming King (Triumphal Entry) : Zechariah 9 :9 – “Rejoice greatly, Daughter Zion! Shout, Daughter Jerusalem! See, your king comes to you…”
    
    
18. Gentiles Will Seek Him: Isaiah 11 :10 – “In that day the Root of Jesse will stand as a banner for the peoples; the nations will rally to him...”
    
    
19. Called God's Son: Psalm 2 :7 – “I will proclaim God’s decree... He said to me, ‘You are my son; today I have become your father.’”
    
    
20. Rider on a Donkey: Zechariah 9 :9 – “Rejoice greatly,... behold your King is coming to you; He is just and having salvation.”